SMBC Comic regarding Eve coming from Adam's rib

[artybloke]

Start questioning creation and you open a whole liberalist can of worms.
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And that's a bad thing why? Gosh! people might start to think for themselves... can't have that can we?

 

[shernren]

Come on guys, you're all forgetting the presuppositional approach. Since the Bible never mentions DNA, if any talk of DNA starts to contradict the word of God, all we have to do is just presuppose that DNA doesn't exist.

Problem solved.

 

[Dreamscar]

Start questioning creation and you open a whole liberalist can of worms. Your ideas begin to become more and more obscure.

Jesus challenged the Pharisees' understanding of the Scriptures because they believed they were following the Law completely, but they didn't understand the reason for the Law. Assuming you understand the intent and purpose of a piece of literature that was written several thousands of years ago in a context that fits modern thinking is a larger can of worms in my opinion.


After Jesus changed the ideologies of Judaism to shift to Christianity their ideas were very obscure (Deism of Christ, Holy Trinity, etc.). Those ideas have taken many years to refine and more fully understand.

There is no hint that Genesis is an illustration. All signs point to history.

The fact that God gave us a rational mind, capable of understanding the physical laws of the universe, and then giving us a Holy Scripture that contradicts those physical laws should be a fairly large hint that it wasn't written as a literal history.

 

[SkyWriting]

So, did Eve have the same DNA as Adam since she was made from his rib?

It's a great technical question. We could look at why the rib was chosen. I'm guessing there is an interesting answer somewhere. But lets just say that Adam was created virtually (literally?) from the ground up. His DNA would be faultless. Eve's would be taken out of this perfect DNA and set up to be his perfect compliment. So a complimentary being was formed. Later the two would recombine back and create children. A good question.

 

[Dreamscar]

It's a great technical question. We could look at why the rib was chosen. I'm guessing there is an interesting answer somewhere. But lets just say that Adam was created virtually (literally?) from the ground up. His DNA would be faultless. Eve's would be taken out of this perfect DNA and set up to be his perfect compliment. So a complimentary being was formed. Later the two would recombine back and create children. A good question.

What is perfectly complimenting DNA?

 

[shernren]

What is perfectly complimenting DNA?

"Can I be your helicase, baby?

I'd love to unzip your genes."

 

[Papias]

Skywriting wrote:

Eve's (DNA) would be taken out of this perfect DNA and set up to be his perfect compliment.

I've only very rarely seen a creationist that understood DNA (Tom Wood being an exception). Maybe Skywriting is confusing gamete formation with complimentary base pairing?

Papias

 

[SkyWriting]

What is perfectly complimenting DNA?

It's an off the cuff idea. But here is your answer.

Complementary DNA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SkyWriting]

Skywriting wrote:



I've only very rarely seen a creationist that understood DNA (Tom Wood being an exception). Maybe Skywriting is confusing gamete formation with complimentary base pairing?

Papias

I don't claim any deeper knowledge beyond what I can look up.

 

[SkyWriting]

Start questioning creation and you open a whole liberalist can of worms.

And that's a bad thing why? Gosh! people might start to think for themselves... can't have that can we?

Right. Creationism is the conclusion I came to after learning the laws of nature.
Newton's Three Laws of Motion
Christianity just happened to fit the facts better than any other theories.

You can't have matter without a source of matter.
You can't have intelligence without a source of intelligence.
You can't have the motion of the cosmos without a "thing" doing the pushing.
Pushing doesn't happen by itself.
Everything we see had one and only one beginning.
Everything we see is going to have one and only one end.
Everything has come out of nothing at great speed, defying all the laws of physics.

So.....what did it all and the source of everything must be outside of nature.
It's a perfect fit with the Bible's claims and opposes most every other philosophy on origins.
Just try and find that being taught somewhere. I'm sure it is, but not in my neighborhood.

Arty, you are just wronger with each post.

 

[Dreamscar]

It's an off the cuff idea. But here is your answer.

I'm certainly no molecular biologist, but doesn't that imply that Eve was essentially a clone of Adam and exactly what the comic is insinuating?

 

[SkyWriting]

Maybe, just maybe, the story's not meant to be taken literally and is in fact mythical...but very funny...

The idea that it's mythical is just your opinion. At this point I don't see your support, research, or notes for your claim.

 

[Dreamscar]

The idea that it's mythical is just your opinion. At this point I don't see your support, research, or notes for your claim.

Asking for your support, research, and notes for your own claim of it being literal history would be just as ludicrous. The entire Origins Theology forum is a debate specifically about that.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm certainly no molecular biologist, but doesn't that imply that Eve was essentially a clone of Adam and exactly what the comic is insinuating?

About as close to a clone as you can get I guess.
Though the text is clear that Eve is a woman.

 

[SkyWriting]

Asking for your support, research, and notes for your own claim of it being literal history would be lud....

If I made any claim, I'd be happy to oblige.
This nullifies your post.

 

[Dreamscar]

About as close to a clone as you can get I guess.
Though the text is clear that Eve is a woman.

And you perceive no problems with this? There's a reason incest is against the law.

If I made any claim, I'd be happy to oblige.
This nullifies your post.

Every post you've made has impied your opinion that Genesis is to be taken as literal history, otherwise you wouldn't have been so offended by someone who says it's mythical.

 

[Papias]

Skywriting wrote:

About as close to a clone as you can get I guess.
Though the text is clear that Eve is a woman.

This could be related to the fact that the people back then didn't understand X & Y chromosomes, gender formation, cloning nor genes. The common perception was that people are conceived male*, and that girl babies were due to formation problems in the womb - like other birth defects. So taking the flesh of a man would work perfectly well, in that view, to make a woman - simply make a woman during formation.

Papias

* (from asterisk above) - they were considered to be conceived male because it wasn't known that babies got anything from their mother- the woman was considered only a vessle that didn't contribute "genetically" to the male "seed" or sperm, hence the virgin birth story made perfect sense - of course the genetic contribution of Mary wasn't a question, because women were not thought to contribute anyway. This kind of thinking can even be seen today sometimes - see the other most active thread now, most recent post, #21 here http://www.christianforums.com/t7605315-3/:

This should be a beautiful story from a woman’s perspective;
But also look at it from the perspective of the one that creates seed in the woman (THE MAN), takes both to understand. Man and woman are one = both views to understand G-ds view.
Genesis: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Here, the seed has been placed. Just as the seed in the woman’s womb chamber is created by man.

(my bold)