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ukok

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I'm in something of a quandry about a certain situation. As you will mostly be aware by now, I am in the process of converting to Catholicism. The more that I learn about the Catholic Church, it's Dogma and Doctrine, the more I simply yearn to belong fully to it.

Shortly after I moved to my present home, 4 years ago, I began to have the Watchtower magazine posted through my letterbox. A short time later, there was an accompanying knock at the door. The lady introduced herself rather enthusiastically and I could tell from her demenour and her manner of speaking, that she was fully reconciled to the belief that she needed to help 'save' me . At the time i was quite seriously ill, i had been in hospital on an IV drip for a week, so i was too weak to stand at the door and i didn't really want to invite her in ( i'm not usually so mean, honest - i just felt that in such a weak state, she could whitewash me with her words and i would be unable to respond as i would have liked to), so perhaps she mistakenly thought that my lack of 'spirit' was a conceding nod in the direction to her 'witness'?

Anyway, as time went on, she would visit twice a month, have a little chat, sometimes bring along one of her new recruits etc. We struck up quite a rapport. Not knowing a great deal about the beliefs of Jehovas Witnesses, and due to her not wanting me to know parts of it, I dare say!, I asked for some written material to read. She provided me with a book. I read it, and i promptly returned it to her, stating categorically that i disagreed with practically everything that i had read. She continued to call at my house, and i continued to be pleasant. We conversed one day about my children, and in the course of our discussion, it came out that she was an occassional supply teacher for my son's class. I had mixed feelings about this. I knew her to be a pleasant women, but i wondered if she ever had to teach RE, whether the headteacher was aware of her beliefs, whether or not it mattered at all? It niggled at me. But i didn't say anything about it.

During these past 4 years, the lady has known of my attendance at the Church of England Church, my firmness of Faith and a little of my spiritual walk.

The thing is, now that i have left protestantism and embraced Catholicism, I feel that I should talk to her about her beliefs. She is well versed in 'scripture', or at least, in her version of it, and to be truthful, i have a brain made of mesh, everything slips through it!

If I were to engage her in conversation about why I feel that God is leading me to the Catholic Faith or attempt to question her beliefs, then i just know that she will slaughter me with words. I do feel , now more than ever before, that i want her to know of my conversion to Catholicism. Everytime she calls, I want to tell her of what I have learned and to give her the opportunity to know the untruths that she has learned. I even bought a booklet yesterday at Chruch entitled, "Jehovah's Witnesses" - Catholic Truth Society Explanations. I want to read it through and then give it to her, but i am not at all prepared for her possible response.

To summarise. Would it be wrong, to continue to allow myself to engage in communications with her without telling her of my conversion ? I want to be honest and open with her, but i am afraid that i will be unable to respond. Often, when confronted face to face, i have a hard time putting my brain in to gear ( although some of you may have noticed that i do have a tendency to do that with the written word also!).


I wonder if it might be best to wait, to continue to grow strong and more knowledgeable in my Catholic belief and then approach her. The problem is that I feel that my Faith and conversion are not something that i want to be secretive about. I am greatly pleased that i have finally 'come home' to Catholicism, and i want to share that joy with everyone.

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ukok said:
Everytime she calls, I want to tell her of what I have learned and to give her the opportunity to know the untruths that she has learned.
But... what do you think God wants her to know? As long as you worry about what you want her to know, or what you want to tell her you will continue to be indecisive and nothing will get done.

Kneel down, pray and ask God "Lord, what would You have me do?"
 
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nyj said:
But... what do you think God wants her to know? As long as you worry about what you want her to know, or what you want to tell her you will continue to be indecisive and nothing will get done.

Kneel down, pray and ask God "Lord, what would You have me do?"


I do pray, often. And perhaps because it has been so much on my mind, the Lord is directing me to do something about it. Indecisive is my middle name, i can't change my nature, but i am seeking guidance as to whether or not one should deny one's belief in such circumstances.

The woman just posted me an invite to a 'meeting' at the Kingdom Hall, a couple of weeks ago....I don't want to delude her, nor do i wish to encourage her.

And in answer to your question nyj, i think God wants her to know how much He loves her.
 
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ukok said:
Indecisive is my middle name, i can't change my nature...
You might not be able to, but God can.

...but i am seeking guidance as to whether or not one should deny one's belief in such circumstances.
I seem to recall a comment by Jesus about us denying Him and how He'd respond to said people when the Really Important Meeting between us and God came about. :)

The woman just posted me an invite to a 'meeting' at the Kingdom Hall, a couple of weeks ago....I don't want to delude her, nor do i wish to encourage her.
I agree. Under no circumstances should you entertain this offer. I think you should tell her. Whether or not you find the proper words to say is of little consequence. What matters is that you made the attempt to reach out to her the way you feel called to do.
 
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Ukok,

I would say that next time she gives you any reading material refuse them and let her know why in a nice way but they are trash basically and please ask her not to share that with your kids at anytime and also let her know you are flat not interesting in hearing anymore about that faith in the context of hopes that you will convert.

With that said, just stick to what you know, your personal experience to why you wish to convert if she wants to know about Catholicism or is willing to listen to your beliefs, be careful, they are trained to undermine Catholic beliefs so do not get trapped by her, if you are not sure you know something positively then do not answer her, just let her know you will find out and get back to her.

I would also say do not pray with her, you both can pray together but not to the same "God" because hers is not yours. Just say I’ll say a prayer and you can say a prayer silently but do not prayer with her, cause you do not know who you may be praying to.
 
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Shelb5 said:
Ukok,

I would say that next time she gives you any reading material refuse them and let her know why in a nice way but they are trash basically and please ask her not to share that with your kids at anytime and also let her know you are flat not interesting in hearing anymore about that faith in the context of hopes that you will convert.

I agree that this is probably what i should do, but i'm such a wimp!. I know that I should be more authoritive and asertive, I am still a work in progress in that area, but i am leaning towards dpoing that very thing that you suggest.

With that said, just stick to what you know, your personal experience to why you wish to convert if she wants to know about Catholicism or is willing to listen to your beliefs, be careful, they are trained to undermine Catholic beliefs so do not get trapped by her, if you are not sure you know something positively then do not answer her, just let her know you will find out and get back to her.
I admit that what i fear is having my belief verbally undermined by a lack of being able to respond, because i know that it is right what you say about JW's being trained in their responses. Not that my faith is shakeable, just that i don't want to look a twit!


I would also say do not pray with her, you both can pray together but not to the same "God" because hers is not yours. Just say I’ll say a prayer and you can say a prayer silently but do not prayer with her, cause you do not know who you may be praying to.

Once again, I agree. I have never prayed with her and have no intention to do so. Though i pray for her.
 
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nyj said:
You might not be able to, but God can.
I agree. I realised the error of what i had written almost as soon as i had posted it.

I seem to recall a comment by Jesus about us denying Him and how He'd respond to said people when the Really Important Meeting between us and God came about. :)
yup, i agree with that inferrence also. Although i didn't mean that i would 'actually' deny God, just not speak about my conversion, and hence deny verbal acknowledgement of the rather profound changes that have taken place within my life that have culminated in my conversion to Catholicism.

I agree. Under no circumstances should you entertain this offer. I think you should tell her. Whether or not you find the proper words to say is of little consequence. What matters is that you made the attempt to reach out to her the way you feel called to do.
In my search for truth and Jesus, a long time ago i made a rash decision to join a religious sect...i won't be doing that again anytime soon, I still bare the scars.:)
 
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I admit that what i fear is having my belief verbally undermined by a lack of being able to respond, because i know that it is right what you say about JW's being trained in their responses. Not that my faith is shakeable, just that i don't want to look a twit!

Well it is also that if you give her the wrong info about something mistakenly or if she traps you into admitting something we do not even teach you may do more harm than good and not furthering your cause.

The deal is, they love strawmen, throwing out beliefs that we do not even teach and then backing us in a corner to defend them. You should be trained to identify the strawmen and let them know that you can not defend something that we do not teach.

Idols are a good example, "Why do you Catholics worship idols"? Well, we don't so you would be defending a belief we do not even teach if you were to attempt to explain. That is the kind of stuff you have to watch for.

I’ll let you now something, I do not engage with anyone in person who approaches me or who knocks on my door. I just say that I am Catholic, have a nice day, and no thank you, I do not want to read that.
 
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ukok,

When you tell her about how your faith in Jesus Christ led you to Catholicism, if she starts asking you questions tell her something along these lines:

I take my faith very seriously, and I take the information that I give to others very seriously as well. If you have questions about Catholicism that you would like for me to answer, let me write them down and in a week or so, we can revisit them after I have time to reflect, pray and study them over.

If she presses you for an answer, just tell her to respect your request and not be so darn pushy. If she continues to persist in her rudeness, tell her that she is behaving in such a manner and that if she can't respect you and your request, to not bother showing up ever again.

The week or so should give you time to research your answers, seek help from here or from your priest, etc.

If, when she gets answers to the questions she asked, and then asks more questions... repeat the process.

These people are trained to catch people unawares and off guard. The sort of "stalling tactic" you can approach them with will turn them off very quickly to trying to "convert you". You've got to stick to your guns though and remain consistent. It's your house, your turf, discussing your faith. Set the ground rules and stick to them. If this is the time God sets aside to make Himself known to her, He'll work through you and you may surprised at how attentive and respectful she is. If this isn't her time, well... you may find that after a week or so she'll stop coming around.

Just a suggestion.
 
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Shelb5 said:
Well it is also that if you give her the wrong info about something mistakenly or if she traps you into admitting something we do not even teach you may do more harm than good and not furthering your cause.
I agree with that. Which is why i would prefer at this stage in my learning of Catholic doctirne and dogma, not to interact in any position of defence of the CC.

The deal is, they love strawmen, throwing out beliefs that we do not even teach and then backing us in a corner to defend them. You should be trained to identify the strawmen and let them know that you can not defend something that we do not teach.

Idols are a good example, "Why do you Catholics worship idols"? Well, we don't so you would be defending a belief we do not even teach if you were to attempt to explain. That is the kind of stuff you have to watch for.
Yeah, and they do it in such an iritating and condescending manner, that i know i would just be left speechless.

I’ll let you now something, I do not engage with anyone in person who approaches me or who knocks on my door. I just say that I am Catholic, have a nice day, and no thank you, I do not want to read that.
I understand why you do that, and i think that perhaps because of my lack of knowledge I should consider doing the same, but i worry that God is guiding me to speak to her and that she is in my life for a reason. I suppose that until i tell her, i can not anticipate her reaction, nor can i anticipate the way in which Gods grace may be given for me to handle the situation.
 
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nyj said:
ukok,

When you tell her about how your faith in Jesus Christ led you to Catholicism, if she starts asking you questions tell her something along these lines:

I take my faith very seriously, and I take the information that I give to others very seriously as well. If you have questions about Catholicism that you would like for me to answer, let me write them down and in a week or so, we can revisit them after I have time to reflect, pray and study them over.

If she presses you for an answer, just tell her to respect your request and not be so darn pushy. If she continues to persist in her rudeness, tell her that she is behaving in such a manner and that if she can't respect you and your request, to not bother showing up ever again.

The week or so should give you time to research your answers, seek help from here or from your priest, etc.

If, when she gets answers to the questions she asked, and then asks more questions... repeat the process.

These people are trained to catch people unawares and off guard. The sort of "stalling tactic" you can approach them with will turn them off very quickly to trying to "convert you". You've got to stick to your guns though and remain consistent. It's your house, your turf, discussing your faith. Set the ground rules and stick to them. If this is the time God sets aside to make Himself known to her, He'll work through you and you may surprised at how attentive and respectful she is. If this isn't her time, well... you may find that after a week or so she'll stop coming around.

Just a suggestion.
thank you nyj, that has given me another valuable perspective on this.

thank you both Shelb and nyj, for your well intentioned advice on this matter. I really do appreciate it.:)
 
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ukok said:
The woman just posted me an invite to a 'meeting' at the Kingdom Hall, a couple of weeks ago....I don't want to delude her, nor do i wish to encourage her.
I'm always for dialogue. But I want it to be that: a two-way discussion. If people want me to read something they have, I will, but I invite them at the same time read something I give them. Then I propose to meet later and go over the respective tracts. The few times I've tried this I've been met with an immediate "no thanks," which gives me the excuse then to politely decline the person's invitation.
 
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Jehovah's witnesses are taught for the most part to not read other religous writings. They usually only want to have a home "bible study" with only their material as a guide. They seem to view all other religious writings as potetially demon influenced and will usually avoid reading it.
I would be very wary of this group; they deny the trinity, they believe that Christ was a created being and not God. Jesus is the archangel Michael and not to be worshiped, only worship Jehovah alone. It is pretty much a re-appearing of the Arian heresy, and the Jehovah's witnesses will even say that the wrong group was called heretical during the time of the Nicene creed.
The best thing that you can do ukok is to keep your friend in prayer and intercede for her. Try not to engage her in debate, but by all means share your faith with her any way that she will let you.



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ukok, because this person keeps coming around, your in a great position to evangelize to her!
Keep a paper and pen with you the next time she is coming over, and tell her how happy you are to have found your spiritual home in the Catholic Church.
When she asks you questions - write them down, and tell her that you will find the answer and get back with her on her next visit.
This is a great way to keep the conversation going and ensure a repeat visit.

I strongly suggest reading the following short tracts and bookmarking them as well.
(I think you can ordered printed copies from Catholic Answers)

Are They Awake on The Watchtower?


Stumpers for the Johovah's Witnesses

More Stumpers for the Johovah's Witnesses

The God of the Jehovah's Witnesses

Strategies of the Jehovah's Witnesses


Distinctive Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses
 
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geocajun said:
ukok, because this person keeps coming around, your in a great position to evangelize to her!
Keep a paper and pen with you the next time she is coming over, and tell her how happy you are to have found your spiritual home in the Catholic Church.
When she asks you questions - write them down, and tell her that you will find the answer and get back with her on her next visit.
This is a great way to keep the conversation going and ensure a repeat visit.

I strongly suggest reading the following short tracts and bookmarking them as well.
(I think you can ordered printed copies from Catholic Answers)

Are They Awake on The Watchtower?


Stumpers for the Johovah's Witnesses

More Stumpers for the Johovah's Witnesses

The God of the Jehovah's Witnesses

Strategies of the Jehovah's Witnesses


Distinctive Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses
Don't forget, Answering Jehovah's Witnesses, by Jason Evert, also from Catholic Answers: Click Here
 
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Ukok, Peace be with you.

In addition to the book that Skripper mentioned, there is a small book that is part of the "Beginning Apologetics" series which is put out, I think (no notes here now) by San Juan Press. There was a thread about this series on here recently. It is a series of seven or so books, one of which covers specifically JWs. I suggest getting the whole series (appx $30). The books are really just large pamphlets which are specific and well written.

God Bless,
P12
 
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Ukok, Peace be with you.

In addition to the book that Skripper mentioned, there is a small book that is part of the "Beginning Apologetics" series which is put out, I think (no notes here now) by San Juan Press. There was a thread about this series on here recently. It is a series of seven or so books, one of which covers specifically JWs. I suggest getting the whole series (appx $30). The books are really just large pamphlets which are specific and well written.

God Bless,
P12
P12, thank you for the recommendation, i shall give it some thought. I do remember it being discussed in another thread a short while ago.

Thankyou.:)
 
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