Slander and murder, do you still support Israel's actions?

NBB said:

People that say that Israel is this bad etc, is USA different responding to terror, when they say they killed millions of civilians with the anti terror wars in middle east.

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No,Israel and the US are the same in this respect. What we did to Afghanistan and Iraq was unjustified.

public hermit said:

No, Obama droned to death all kinds of innocents. Remember the whole wedding parties our country slaughtered back in the good old days? Wrong is wrong, wherever it happens and no matter who does it.

Wech Baghtu wedding party airstrike - Wikipedia

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Haska Meyna wedding party airstrike - Wikipedia

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Yeah, right, "Obama" did this all by his lonesome. If all the Gazan people, including the babes in arms, are responsible for whatever Hamas does, so are we equally responsible for whatever our elected government did/does. How can it be otherwise?

timewerx said:

Do you also support Israel slandering all its critics?

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No, Hamas and Hezbollah slander should be exposed.

timewerx said:

The only characters in the Bible who resorted to slander were the enemies of God, the enemies of Israel,

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Yes, today Hamas etc.

DaisyDay said:

Yeah, right, "Obama" did this all by his lonesome. If all the Gazan people, including the babes in arms, are responsible for whatever Hamas does, so are we equally responsible for whatever our elected government did/does. How can it be otherwise?

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Those who freely elect their officials have a responsibility for what their government officials do. I don't see that as a controversial claim.

public hermit said:

Those who freely elect their officials have a responsibility for what their government officials do. I don't see that as a controversial claim.

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In this case they celebrated in the streets, And are freely proclaiming it all over the globe with their pro Hamas protests from the river to the sea.

timewerx said:

Israel is committing genocide and have consistently slandered its critics.

The Greek word for devil is διάβολος - diabolos

Meaning: (adj. used often as a noun), slanderous; with the article: the Slanderer (par excellence), the Devil.

Word Origin: Derived from the Greek verb διαβάλλω (diaballō), meaning "to slander" or "to accuse."

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H7854: שָׂטָן (satan) - adversary, accuser

From John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Christians, do you still support Israel and its actions?

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Yes, I do support Israel, and all of it's actions against the Gazans.

...An honest answer to an honest question.

DaisyDay said:

If all the Gazan people, including the babes in arms, are responsible for whatever Hamas does, so are we equally responsible for whatever our elected government did/does. How can it be otherwise?

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So I take it that you are not upset at all with MAGA conservatives who elected a president who is believed to usher in the end of our democracy, turn women into red hooded handmaids, and throw all the immigrants into ghettos? Because I am seeing a lot of liberals posting videos about how to target and punish conservative white men.

ralliann said:

In this case they celebrated in the streets, And are freely proclaiming it all over the globe with their pro Hamas protests from the river to the sea.

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Not to mention that many of the Hamas terrorists who were captured admitted that their plan was not to stop until every Israeli citizen was killed, Jew or not. If that isn't attempted genocide, I don't know what is.

eleos1954 said:

War is an awful thing .... when is enough enough? Israel decides that ... that don't make it right for not ending it .... but that is how it comes down.

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Well no that's not true. It would be over the second Hamas would surrender and give back the hostages...

Oompa Loompa said:

So

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Always an auspicious start!

Oompa Loompa said:

I take it that you are not upset at all with MAGA conservatives who elected a president who is believed to usher in the end of our democracy,
turn women into red hooded handmaids, and throw all the immigrants into ghettos?

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A bit off-topic, but I truly believe that Trump is a horrendous choice for president, but what has this got to do with either the actual topic of this thread or my post?

Oompa Loompa said:

Because I am seeing a lot of liberals posting videos about how to target and punish conservative white men.

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The algorithms feed you more of whatever you click on. This has nothing whatsoever to do with me beyond your trying to tar all liberals with this nasty brush.

Video and document evidence of ethnic cleansing submitted to international courts.

Supporters of israel rely on ignoring a lot of reality to retain that self righteous feeling.

rambot said:

Video and document evidence of ethnic cleansing submitted to international courts.

Supporters of israel rely on ignoring a lot of reality to retain that self righteous feeling.

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It would be over the second Hamas would surrender and give back the hostages...supporters of Hamas rely on ignoring a lot of reality to retain that self righteous feeling.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

It would be over the second Hamas would surrender and give back the hostages...supporters of Hamas rely on ignoring a lot of reality to retain that self righteous feeling.

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Actually it would be over when Israel stops bombing and committing other war crimes

rambot said:

Actually it would be over when Israel stops bombing and committing other war crimes

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Once President Trump takes over and Ambassador Huckabee arrives, the IDF will embrace a version of the catchy leftist terrorist chant. From the river to the sea Israel will be Palestinian free.

rambot said:

Actually it would be over when Israel stops bombing and committing other war crimes

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No it wouldn't because then Hamas would be able to attack again...and would

rambot said:

Actually it would be over when Israel stops bombing and committing other war crimes

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It would not have begun if Hamas etc, had not been doing that for years.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

No it wouldn't because then Hamas would be able to attack again...and would

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Truly. We have seen it over and over again. The definition of insanity is that! doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result in each effort.

timewerx said:

Israel is committing genocide and have consistently slandered its critics.

The Greek word for devil is διάβολος - diabolos

Meaning: (adj. used often as a noun), slanderous; with the article: the Slanderer (par excellence), the Devil.

Word Origin: Derived from the Greek verb διαβάλλω (diaballō), meaning "to slander" or "to accuse."

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H7854: שָׂטָן (satan) - adversary, accuser

From John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Christians, do you still support Israel and its actions?

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I don't believe anything china says.

timewerx said:

Israel is committing genocide and have consistently slandered its critics.

The Greek word for devil is διάβολος - diabolos

Meaning: (adj. used often as a noun), slanderous; with the article: the Slanderer (par excellence), the Devil.

Word Origin: Derived from the Greek verb διαβάλλω (diaballō), meaning "to slander" or "to accuse."

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H7854: שָׂטָן (satan) - adversary, accuser

From John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Christians, do you still support Israel and its actions?

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https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/08/12/hamas-lies-about-the-gaza-civilian-death-toll-and-the-media-bought-it

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To protect the hostages’ identities, their na, ages and family statuses — as well as their genders, in the cases of minors — were not included.
According to the report, the terrorist captors forced two minors to perform sexual acts on one another and compelled them to take off their clothes in front of them, touched their private parts, and whipped their genitalia.
The same two former hostages also reported that “they were held bound and were beaten throughout their captivity. Signs of binding, scars, and marks consistent with trauma were found,” the report says.
“Additionally, two young children had burn marks on their lower limbs,” the report adds. “One child stated that the burns were the result of a deliberate branding with a heated object. Both the child and adults who were with him in captivity described the incident as a purposeful branding event, not an accident. It was described as an extremely traumatic experience.”
The report says that some hostages were kept for days in darkness, with their hands and feet bound, and received little food or water. They were beaten all over their bodies, and some had hair pulled out.
“One of the returned hostages described being sexually assaulted at gunpoint by a Hamas terrorist,” the report says. “On several occasions, captors forced women of all ages to undress while others, including the captors, watched. Some women reported that the captors sexually assaulted them. In addition, some women reported that they were tied to beds while their captors stared at them.
Israel has previously presented reports and released testimonies from hostages detailing sexual abuses in captivity, which Hamas has denied.
Some former hostages have spoken publicly. Earlier this year, freed hostage Amit Soussana told The New York Times of how she was forced to perform “a sexual act” on one of her captors.

Conditions were ‘designed to torture the hostages psychologically’​

A total of 251 hostages were abducted from Israel on October 7, 2023, during the Hamas-led onslaught in southern Israel that killed 1,200 people.
Ninety-six of them remain in Gaza, including the bodies of at least 34 confirmed dead by the IDF. Hamas released 105 civilians during a weeklong truce in late November, and four hostages were released before that. Eight hostages have been rescued by troops alive, and the bodies of 38 hostages have also been recovered, including three mistakenly killed by the Israeli military as they tried to escape their captors.

Released hostages related to authorities that they were deliberately separated from other family members who were being held. In one case, a woman was held in complete isolation, in darkness, bound, receiving very little water and food and not getting treatment for injuries.
“The hostages were denied medical treatment for acute injuries caused during October 7 and subsequently, in addition to for untreated chronic conditions,” the document says. “Fractures, shrapnel wounds, and burns were treated inadequately, leading to complications which required additional surgeries, that could have been prevented with proper care.
“The captors also tortured those injured by performing painful procedures without anesthesia. Many hostages also suffered from untreated chronic conditions (e.g., heart failure, diabetes, hypothyroidism), leading to severe short-term medical deterioration. In one case a hostage died from untreated medical complications,” it goes on.
Captives, including children, were forced to watch videos of the October 7 atrocities. Many of the terrorists who took part in the attack filmed it, including extreme acts of cruelty.
The men, meanwhile, “endured severe physical abuse, including continuous starvation, beatings, burns with galvanized iron (branding), hair-pulling, confinement in closed rooms with a limited amount of food and water, being held in isolation with hands and feet tied, and being denied access to the bathroom, which forced them to defecate on themselves.”
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The report says that the captivity “was designed to torture the hostages psychologically, break their morale, and make them easier to control. Their time in captivity was marked by intense trauma: family separation, immobilization, arbitrary and frequent transfers, and exposure to further violence.”

Some captives, the document says, “witnessed the killing of other captives, further deepening their sense of helplessness and hopelessness.

“In captivity, the hostages were often subjected to solitary confinement, poor sanitation, severe medical neglect, lack of sleep, starvation, sexual abuse, violence, threats, and brainwashing through media designed to break their spirit and make them submissive.”

Deliberate starvation and pre-release excess feeding​

According to the report, “about half of the returned hostages described being deliberately starved during their captivity. They were given a poor diet, which often led to hunger that worsened over time. In addition to inadequate nutrition, they were kept in dark spaces, increasing the risk of vitamin D deficiency.”

Adult hostages lost an average of eight to 15 kilograms (18 to 33 pounds) — 10-17 percent of their original body weight — while among child captives there was an average loss of 10% in body weight, though in one extreme case, a girl lost as much as 18% of her weight.
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The Palestinian death toll for the Gaza war appears to include thousands of people who died of natural causes as well as incorrect figures — partly in an effort to inflate the toll of women and children — according to a report by a British think tank released Saturday.

International media outlets are too quick to accept the figures from terror group Hamas that are being manipulated for propaganda needs, The Henry Jackson Society said.

The Gaza health ministry, under Hamas, “has systematically inflated the death toll by failing to distinguish between civilian and combatant deaths, over-reporting fatalities among women and children and even including individuals who died before the conflict began,” the report said.