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So normally at my church people don't "fall out" in the whole slain in the spirit sort of way. Every once in a while during an altar call one or two people may experience it, but it's something my church doesn't really talk about or necessarily support. Well today we had a guest preacher come and at the ending altar call, I noticed he was praying for people so weird! Instead of the simple laying hand on top of head kinda thing, he was literally grabbing people's heads. And EVERYONE was falling out!! Like, that never happens in my church! Me and my friend, who were at the end, were shocked as person after person kept falling, we were getting scared! It really looked like the guy was pushing people the way he had his hands on them, and I was so uncomfortable in the situation I did not think it was from God at all!! But why would people just give into this guys push? Me and my friend didn't even want the man to pray for us, we called over one of our pastors to pray for us NORMALLY so we could be in the clear to go sit down :D

Anyways, do people in your church get slain in the spirit often? Has it ever happened to you? If it hasn't, is it something you seek?
Personally I haven't experienced it nor do I really want to in any way, it's one of those Pentecostal things (lol) I just don't see enough real evidence for in the Bible, and God's Word always comes before experience.

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It's my personal OPINION that 90% of the "Falling OUT" that takes place in Pentecostal/Charismatic churches is a "cooperative religious ritual performance", promoted by the "Slayer" - the Minister or evangelist, and desired by the "Slayees", who understand that they're to cooperate by "Falling back stiff legged" into the arms of the "Catchers", who will arrange them on the floor appropriately, followed by the "Coverers" who will apply small blankets in cases where modesty is compromised.

I generally place one leg behind the other to let the Minister know I'm not playing his little game, and it'll get messy if he tries to push me down. Normally I don't go for prayer under those circumstances anyway.

There is a REAL slaying in the spirit (many variations), but normally the person slain will just "Go down" like a sack of potatoes (Catchers HATE that). It's generally pretty random.

Bottom line if there's a "Voluntary aspect" to being slain in the spirit - IT AIN'T REAL!!!!

I cooperated once in the ritual just to see. it was restful, but unproductive.
 
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It has happened to me a couple of times. The first time, I was at a friend's house, and this evangelist came to speak to our little group. He preached like he was preaching to thousands, then offered prayer to whomever needed it. This woman next to me said, "Go up there." I said, "YOU go up there."

We finally decided that we would both go, just to see what he said about us. This guy was a little bit of a nut.

The man looked at me, told me exactly what I was wrestling with in my spirit, and how to find the solution (he did not give me the solution, just how to find it).

He had this oil, it smelled so good! He anointed my head with it, then just placed his hand on my head.

Everything went away. I was standing in this brilliant light. I could vaguely hear the man praying, and I was sort-of aware I was falling. But it was like knowing how tall you are. It was totally irrelevant. There was a peace that I just can't describe. But I know I fell because that was my body's reaction to the presence of God.


The second time, I was kneeling, praying at the altar during praise and worship one Sunday. Two women came up to pray with me. As I knelt, I felt a pressure on my chest pushing me backwards. I opened my eyes,wondering who pushed me. There was no one close enough to do it. This happened twice before I figured out it was God. I closed my eyes and prayed, "Lord, if that's you, please do it again. I will go whichever direction you want."

It happened a third time, and I went with it, about six inches back. The next thing I know, I'm looking at the ceiling, and shaking so hard, I could barely sit up. I was so FILLED with peace and love!! It took hours before my heart rate came down.

So I pray that it happens again some day. It is an infilling of peace. It doesn't happen much at all in the churches that I've been to lately.
 
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In Scripture, some they fell - in all directions.

It's happened to me - even after I ask The Lord for it not to happen beforehand. But after it did, there was His peace.
Where in scripture? The only instance I know of when someone was "slain in the spirit" was the enemy.

John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?
John 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
 
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Anyways, do people in your church get slain in the spirit often? Has it ever happened to you? If it hasn't, is it something you seek?
I agree with Bob's post but I would add in that I am inclined to believe that people can certainly fall down if they are demonically oppressed in some way; when the Spirit intervenes this seems to cause some people to respond in a fairly dramatic way which seems to be evidenced by them folding themselves into a foetal position - at least this is what I have observed over the years.
 
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So normally at my church people don't "fall out" in the whole slain in the spirit sort of way. Every once in a while during an altar call one or two people may experience it, but it's something my church doesn't really talk about or necessarily support. Well today we had a guest preacher come and at the ending altar call, I noticed he was praying for people so weird! Instead of the simple laying hand on top of head kinda thing, he was literally grabbing people's heads. And EVERYONE was falling out!! Like, that never happens in my church! Me and my friend, who were at the end, were shocked as person after person kept falling, we were getting scared! It really looked like the guy was pushing people the way he had his hands on them, and I was so uncomfortable in the situation I did not think it was from God at all!! But why would people just give into this guys push? Me and my friend didn't even want the man to pray for us, we called over one of our pastors to pray for us NORMALLY so we could be in the clear to go sit down :D

Anyways, do people in your church get slain in the spirit often? Has it ever happened to you? If it hasn't, is it something you seek?
Personally I haven't experienced it nor do I really want to in any way, it's one of those Pentecostal things (lol) I just don't see enough real evidence for in the Bible, and God's Word always comes before experience.

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you may enjoy this ..it is the holy spirit being poured out on a chines house church

remember when you watch this that it is quite normal for services to be 8 to 12 hours long. no one need to push people here ..they are all surrended to the HolyGHost all crying out to God from sincere hearts

Chinese School Girls Getting Slammed by Holy Spirit - YouTube
 
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So normally at my church people don't "fall out" in the whole slain in the spirit sort of way. Every once in a while during an altar call one or two people may experience it, but it's something my church doesn't really talk about or necessarily support. Well today we had a guest preacher come and at the ending altar call, I noticed he was praying for people so weird! Instead of the simple laying hand on top of head kinda thing, he was literally grabbing people's heads. And EVERYONE was falling out!! Like, that never happens in my church! Me and my friend, who were at the end, were shocked as person after person kept falling, we were getting scared! It really looked like the guy was pushing people the way he had his hands on them, and I was so uncomfortable in the situation I did not think it was from God at all!! But why would people just give into this guys push? Me and my friend didn't even want the man to pray for us, we called over one of our pastors to pray for us NORMALLY so we could be in the clear to go sit down :D

Anyways, do people in your church get slain in the spirit often? Has it ever happened to you? If it hasn't, is it something you seek?
Personally I haven't experienced it nor do I really want to in any way, it's one of those Pentecostal things (lol) I just don't see enough real evidence for in the Bible, and God's Word always comes before experience.

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The Biblical incidences of falling were all voluntary except when the glory of the Lord filled the house and they could not stand to minister. It doesn't say if they fell backward or forward. One would think that it was backward if they were facing the temple at the time and the filling was with force. Although one could allow for any direction of falling in that case.

The laying of hands (plural) upon the head is pretty clear. So the visiting minister is correct. While, using the letter of the law, one hand is not. So definitely God's word comes before experience.
 
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"I am inclined to believe that people can certainly fall down if they are demonically oppressed in some way;"

True - Demonization can result in all sorts of physical reactions including speaking in tongues, prophetic utterances,sometimes without the person's mouth moving, and not in their own voices at all.
 
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"I am inclined to believe that people can certainly fall down if they are demonically oppressed in some way;"

True - Demonization can result in all sorts of physical reactions including speaking in tongues, prophetic utterances,sometimes without the person's mouth moving, and not in their own voices at all.

and never will they ,evil spirits, confess ,Jesus as lord

you will observe in the tube clips ..a voice shouting a phrase over and over

i believe it is mandarin for

Jesus is lord, Jesus is lord, Jesus is lord....
 
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Some believers feel that being "slain in the Spirit" is a sign of God's approval. Some feel that it shows God's miracle power being released in the person that is "slain." These ideas contain part truth. There needs to be a Scriptural study to reveal what is happening when someone is "slain in the Spirit." Blind acceptance of such events is not a sign of superior faith. We are commanded to "try the spirits" in order to determine if something is real. The truth can and must be Scripturally studied and proven. There are many similar occurrences within the Word of God.

These can be examined to determine:

-what God is doing when someone is "slain in the Spirit"
-whether the event is real or fakery
-if the occurrence validates a man or a ministry
-if we should desire or seek such occurrences.


After a comprehensive study of the Word of God on these occurrences, there is one thing that is found in all such occurrences in Scripture. The main reason for anyone being "slain in the Spirit" is so God may speak to the one so "slain." Often in Christian circles, the event seems to be the thing sought. The person who falls upon the floor is lifted up almost immediately. The "fall" itself seems to have satisfied the person, the man of God, and the congregation. Yet, the person should have remained upon the floor and waited for God to speak.

Consider these verses of Scripture.

Ezekiel 1:28 "...THIS WAS THE APPEARANCE OF THE LIKENESS OF THE GLORY OF THE LORD. AND WHEN I SAW IT, I FELL UPON MY FACE, AND I HEARD A VOICE OF ONE THAT SPAKE..."
Ezekiel 2:2 "...AND THE SPIRIT ENTERED INTO ME, AND HE SPAKE UNTO ME..."

God doesn't put one prostrate on the ground for the "fun" of it. God wants to speak to the person. Have you ever noticed that many in a healing line may be "slain in the Spirit" and yet, only a few are healed. Why? God put them prostrate to speak to them, and if they don't listen to hear God, and obey His voice, they cannot be healed. They return the next night to be "slain" again. The message of God may be to tell the person what they need to do in order to be healed. Perhaps God may tell them that He does not choose to heal them at this time. Perhaps, also, God may want to reveal how He wants to heal them.

Maybe, God would tell them that He is about to call them home to heaven. Too many saints have already made up their mind what they want God to do, and how they want Him to do it. They have no concern to listen to God's voice, thus they do not hear Him.

Again, let's look at the Word of God.

Ezekiel 3:23-24 "...BEHOLD, THE GLORY OF THE LORD STOOD THERE... AND I FELL ON MY FACE. THEN THE SPIRIT ENTERED INTO ME, AND SET ME ON MY FEET AND SPAKE WITH ME..."

Ezekiel 43:2,3,6 "...EARTH SHINED WITH HIS GLORY... AND I FELL UPON MY FACE...AND I HEARD HIM SPEAKING WITH ME..."

Ezekiel 44:4-5 "...BEHOLD THE GLORY OF THE LORD FILLED THE HOUSE OF THE LORD: AND I FELL UPON MY FACE. AND THE LORD SAID UNTO ME..."

Christians need to listen for the voice of the Lord. Too many pastors want to become the "only" voice of God.

Evangelists want to pick up the fallen Christians from the floor and tell them what God wants them to know. Perhaps God can and does use that method occasionally. Yet, God is on speaking terms with many saints and would like to speak to them personally. In Christianity, God does not want a separate "priesthood" to be the mediators between Him and His own children. He has made all of us to be "priests" to Him so that He may speak with us personally.

We must beware of being overcome with the experience of being "slain in the Spirit" so much that we glory in the fall, and them jump up before listening to God. The reason many miss their healing, answer, or miracle is that they forget to listen to God. Imagine if John, on the isle of Patmos, had jumped up and ran off to tell others about the fact that he had been "slain in the Spirit." He would have missed hearing the Lord tell him the truths we know as the "Book of Revelation."

At the vision of Jesus, Daniel heard a message. Great messages were given to Daniel because he listened after he was overcome by the Spirit. He saw a vision of Jesus (10:6), and an angelic interpreter was given (10:12).

Perhaps, there would be more visions of the Lord, and definitely there would be more messages from the Lord, if the saints would today, learn to listen and wait when overcome, or "slain" in the Spirit.

Daniel 10:5-19
"...I LIFTED UP MINE (Daniel's) EYES, AND LOOKED AND BEHOLD, A CERTAIN MAN CLOTHED IN LINED...WHEN I HEARD THE VOICE OF HIS WORD, THEN WAS I IN A DEEP SLEEP ON MY FACE, AND MY FACE TOWARD THE GROUND..."

Daniel was "slain" in the Spirit when the angel, Gabriel, spoke with him.

Daniel 8:16-19
"...GABRIEL...WHEN HE CAME, I WAS AFRAID, AND FELL ON MY FACE: BUT HE SAID UNTO ME, "UNDERSTAND, O SON OF MAN: FOR AT THE TIME OF THE END SHALL BE THE VISION. NOW AS HE WAS SPEAKING WITH ME, I WAS IN A DEEP SLEEP ON MY FACE TOWARD THE GROUND, BUT HE TOUCHED ME, AND SET ME UPRIGHT."

Fear had come upon Daniel, but he listened. How frustrated God must be today at the rush of people to get away when He wants to speak to them. The main reason for being "slain in the Spirit" is to hear from God. God does not want to slay people in the Spirit to put a badge of superior spiritually on them.

When John was overcome in the Spirit on the isle of Patmos, he received a vision of Jesus. It is wonderful that he listened, instead of just getting up.

John 1:17
"AND WHEN I SAW HIM, I FELL AT HIS FEET AS DEAD..."

Peter, James, and John escorted Jesus on the way up to the summit of the Mount of Transfiguration.

Matthew 17:5-6
"...WHILE HE (Peter) YET SPAKE, BEHOLD A BRIGHT CLOUD OVERSHADOWED THEM, AND BEHOLD, A VOICE OUT OF THE CLOUD, WHICH SAID, 'THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED: HEAR YE HIM.' AND WHEN THE DISCIPLES HEARD IT, THEY FELL ON THEIR FACE, AND WERE SORE AFRAID..."

It is regrettable that they had not listened sooner (Luke 9:31-32). Moses and Elijah had been speaking to Jesus concerning His crucifixion, etc. If they had paid attention to what they were to hear on that mountain, they events of their failure could have been altered.

There are many who are "dull of hearing." God has a hard time getting many to listen to Him.

Matthew 13:15
"...FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART IS WAXED GROSS, AND THEIR EARS ARE DULL OF HEARING, AND THEIR EYES THEY HAVE CLOSED, LEST AT ANY TIME, THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART..."

Peter was not anxious to hear a certain message from God.
Acts 10:10-11
"AND HE BECAME HUNGRY, AND WOULD HAVE EATEN: BUT WHILE THEY MADE READY, HE FELL INTO A TRANCE, AND SAW HEAVEN OPENED..."

God had a truth to tell Peter, who was "dull of hearing" on the subject. We too may not be willing to hear God's message to us under normal circumstances. So God causes some to be "slain in the Spirit" in order to get their attention.

God wants to encourage some. He wants to correct some. He wants to instruct some. Let's not be "dull of hearing." If you are "slain in the Spirit", listen to God speak to you.

Follow the instructions of Eli to Samuel, and say as Samuel said:
I Samuel 3:10
"SPEAK, FOR THY SERVANT HEARETH."

For some, there is a reason that God hasn't healed them, or done a miracle for them. He wants to talk to these, so He can do the miracle or heal them. It may be a sin, that God needs to discuss with them. Perhaps it is a step of faith, or an act of faith that God wants, and He must explain to them. Naaman had to dip in the Jordan River seven times before he could be healed. A time of God doing great miracles must often be accompanied by people being "slain in the Spirit" for God to speak.

In the Old Testament, after Solomon completed the Temple, the priests began to minister before the presence of God. The glory of God was so strong that they could not stand up within the temple.

II Chronicles 5:14
"SO THAT THE PRIESTS COULD NOT STAND TO MINISTER BY REASON OF THE CLOUD: FOR THE GLORY OF THE LORD HAD FILLED THE HOUSE OF GOD."

Won't it be wonderful when the revival reaches the place where today's priesthood won't be able to remain standing because the presence of God is so strong. They will be "slain in the Spirit" as they try to worship.
 
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part 2

Paul was slain in the Spirit" was when God warned him to leave Jerusalem.
Acts 22:17-18
"...I WAS COME AGAIN TO JERUSALEM, EVEN WHILE I PRAYED IN THE TEMPLE, I WAS IN A TRANCE: AND SAW HIM SAYING UNTO ME, 'MAKE HASTE, AND GET THEE QUICKLY OUT OF JERUSALEM, FOR THEY WILL NOT RECEIVE THY TESTIMONY CONCERNING ME.'"

Thus God may also warn us while we are prone on the floor.

The speaking of the Lord is the primary purpose of the prostration, and we must cease neglecting the main reason God puts us into that position.

Sometimes in the Bible, the people that were overcome by the Spirit were the rebels, and sinners. Sometimes, the falling down is a time when God wants to judge the sin.

John 18:1-6
"...JUDAS, HAVING RECEIVED A BAND OF MEN AND OFFICERS FROM THE CHIEF PRIESTS AND PHARISEES...AS SOON THEN AS HE SAID UNTO THEM, 'I AM HE,' THEY WENT BACKWARD AND FELL TO THE GROUND..."

Acts 9:3-4
"SUDDENLY, THERE SHINED ROUND ABOUT HIM A LIGHT FROM HEAVEN: AND HE FELL TO THE EARTH, AND HEARD A VOICE, SAYING UNTO HIM, 'SAUL, SAUL, WHY PERSECUTEST THOU ME...'"

God is still speaking, even at judgment time. Paul listened, and his blindness did not last, because he listened and obeyed.

When Eli was "slain in the Spirit", he had refused too long to listen.

I Samuel 4:18-21
"AND IT CAME TO PASS, WHEN HE MADE MENTION OF THE ARK OF GOD, THAT HE FELL FROM OFF THE SEAT BACKWARD BY THE SIDE OF THE GATE, AND HIS NECK BRAKE, AND HE DIED... AND HIS DAUGHTER IN LAW, PHINEAS' WIFE, WAS WITH CHILD... ABOUT THE TIME OF HER DEATH, THE WOMEN THAT STOOD BY SAID UNTO HER, 'FEAR NOT, FOR THOU HAST BORN A SON'... AND SHE NAMED THE CHILD, 'ICHABOD,'SAYING 'THE LORD IS DEPARTED FROM ISRAEL...'"

We must learn to listen to God, for He does want to speak. Often the ones that are overcome of the Spirit, and fall under His power have a message of judgment to hear from God. They need to listen and repent. To jump up and not listen to the message God wants to speak, may result soon in a judgment from God. Instead of feeling as though the event meant that God was "patting them on the back," they should lay upon the floor where God has placed them and listen and repent.

Many people are concerned about the reality or fakery of many who appear to fall prostrate. Were they truly "slain"? The answer is probably "yes" for some, and "no" for others. So how do we tell if the event is genuine and God-inspired?

If the event is noticed simply for the event itself, then it is either :
-not of God, or
-the person has missed the real purpose of God's dealing.

Never in the Bible did falling prostrate become the main emphasis. The falling down was just a "prelude" to a great event. Today, too many get all excited about the "prelude", and miss even the expectancy of more to follow. The only "more" that some expect is the "desire of their heart" that made them go forward for prayer. There is often some other reason or purpose of God in the event of being "slain in the Spirit."

In the revivals of the church age, many (if not all) had occurrences of people falling prostrate before the Lord.

In the ministry of John Wesley, founder of the Methodist Church, people often fell to the ground.

When Jonathan Edwards preached people would faint.

During sermons of Charles Finney, people would fall out of their chairs.

The reason for all such occurrences is not to simply demonstrate God's power, rather it is to get the people's attention so that God might speak to them.

God does something inside the people who are "slain."

Sometimes they have remained down for hours. God deals with them on deep issues while they are prone before Him.

These issues include:
unforgiveness,
grudges,
hurts,
grief,
emotional problems.

Sometimes the person seems to become entangled in a visible struggle. This is usually the struggle against demonic oppression that needs handled before the Lord may do for them the miracle that they seek.

Think for a moment of the frustration that God must feel as He tries to get people to listen to Him, and ushers or ministers rush the person that is prostrate back to their feet and wants to move ahead with more of the service. We try to make God fit our service outline, and wonder why the same people are "slain in the Spirit" service after service. Ushers and ministers need to refrain from rushing the people to their feet. Let's allow the Lord to speak as He desires. He does not always want to speak only through sermons, or through the messages in tongues, and interpretations. God is a God of variety and will use many methods to speak to His people. The falling down prostrate upon the floor is a sign that God wishes to speak to an individual, as much as a message in an unknown tongue is a sign. The service is supposed to be in the control of God.

Let's not rush to get to the next part of the service so much
that we push God's plan aside.
 
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i have never fallen backwards (yet lol -must add that)
But i have been bowed over forward under the weight of the glory of God .
and i have become what can only be defined (from an outer perspective) as drunken with much very deep laughter (which looks silly on the outside but to me was much weeping on the inside and healing and deliverance)
And as i have shared before ,in all honesty, i am very wary of those that "push" folk they are praying for etc .

however the above post is a great collection of scriptures on the topic and well worth a read :)
 
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In the days of Maria Etter (C. 1920s) people fell over in their homes, businesses and on the street. This happened in a radius of 20 miles around her tent meetings. Most of these were unconverted sinners. Some of these people remained unresponsive for hours on end. When they came to, they testified that the Holy Spirit had taken them to heaven and hell and given them the choice. Many of them got up converted. That I believe.

That experience is a far cry to what we see today with people being "slain in the Spirit". Most of the current day experience happens to Christians, and usually in the context of having been taught that this is what happens when the Spirit moves upon people. Where there is no teaching and no observations of people falling over, it doesn't happen. In other words, it doesn't happen in a spontaneous manner.

Another example of genuine experience was during the ministry of Jonathan Edwards and Charles Finney. It mainly happened to people who were nominal Christians, and when they got up they were changed into passionate committed Christians.

What we get in Charismatic churches these days are believers going up for the Sunday "blessing", falling over, getting up the same as they were before, and then going back next week for another dose. I don't see that the Holy Spirit has anything to do with it. Simply speaking, it seems just in the realm of psychological suggestion.

During the ministry of Kathryn Khulman, people who had hands laid on them by her testified to such a sense of peace and relaxation, they could not stay on their feet and their knees buckled under them and down they went. This seems genuine to me.

But the common practice of people falling backwards, is inconsistent with revival history, and is completely unknown in the book of Acts, and the thing which convinces me of the counterfeit nature of it is the fact that the subjects are unchanged.

I think if anyone has any doubts, reading the history of revivals and analysing the experiences of people who came under the power of the Holy Spirit in those situations, would give you the discernment as to what is genuine and what is not.
 
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When those things are taking place, take a good look at the pastors and elders. Is it happening to them? If not, why not? If falling down was something that the Holy Spirit was doing, does He select who falls down and who doesn't?

Usually, the pastor and elders do not fall over when other people do. They seem not to have all these manifestations. It is also interesting that the ones who have the most frequent falling over experiences seem to have spiritual issues that need dealing with.

Anyway, when I asked God about these things many years ago, He told me that if I was living in His presence from day to day, being filled with the Holy Spirit, I didn't need all these other manifestations. So I conclude that mature, healthy believers don't need to shake, or fall over, because they already have Christ as their constant companion. This makes me think that the manifestations are happening to people who need to get into a better place with God, and not a sign of being healthily spiritual.
 
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Where in scripture? The only instance I know of when someone was "slain in the spirit" was the enemy
I'm using the KJV because it is the most accurate word for word translation from the original Greek and Hebrew

When God appeared to Abraham... And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying - Gen 17:3

Ezekiel fell under the power of God when He showed up.. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake - Ezekiel 1:28

Then I arose, and went forth into the plain: and, behold, the glory of the LORD stood there, as the glory which I saw by the river of Chebar: and I fell on my face - Ezekiel 3:23

And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD - 2 Chron 20:18

When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord - Luke 5:8

Saul falls under the power of God... And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me - Acts 9:4

The disciples fall as they witness God's presence.... While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face - Matt 17:5-6

There's lots more, dive in! ... God bless you
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Alithis

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may i jump in and caution anyone from making too swift a judgement of a person who has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit Or what we may term as a fresh anointing ,latter rain etc.

In my life when my 1st son was soon to be born - seeking his name -We did not know why ..but we named him "Ayden" very soon after he was born i began seeking God for the reality of christ - the reality that i read of in the bible rather then the wishy washy religion of church on sunday ,nice sermon , all nicey pie but seemed to be lacking something - which was of course the manifestation of the Power of God glorifying the Lord Jesus .

after 3 or so weeks of intense seeking ( short version of story) I was undoubtedly Baptized with the Holy Ghost and with Fire ....
.. the lord had lead me to name my son Ayden only a short time erlier - turns out Ayden means "fire" his naming was prophetic as at that time so very many folks were also baptized in the HolySpirit in a wonderful reviving of the congregation at that time .

but heres the thing - the lord was to then dismantle my life and -to the outward appearance -shatter it ..
to the onlooker there was not some wonderful fruit of change - the change was horrific to the point that over the next few years i backslid .. and for 7 years the lord seemed to leave me (but he never did) like a man gone to eating grass in a paddock .. but some 7 to 8 years later he rescued me and reestablished my life on the rock of the lord Jesus and then this seemingly barren tree began to bring forth fruits of the Spirit and not of the flesh ..

Sometimes the lord prunes that tree right back cutting off all its useless dead and rotting wood ..digs the weeds from its roots and leaves it sitting fallow .... so that it may bring forth even more fruit .

Do not be swift to judge what you cannot surely know .. only bless and pray for people in the spirit and do not look on the outer man and draw condemning conclusion.

:)

God bless
 
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