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[kathaksung]

Evidence is given two months ago by professionals. That is nano thermite - a high explosive. (see last post: Denish Chemist) As usual, media haven't report it because that is a forbidden area.

Quote, "Evidence Refutes the Official 9/11 Investigation: The Scientific Forensic Facts

by Richard Gage and Gregg Roberts
Global Research, October 13, 2010
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - 2010-10-04
AE911Truth Delivers the Evidence to the Media: Press Conference - National Press Club – Washington DC


As a group, we now have more than 1,270 architect and engineer petition signers. Collectively, we have more than 25,000 years of building and technical experience. This press conference is being given by our petition signers and supporters today in 65 [it turned out to be 67] locations around the world, including 30 states and 4 countries.

Today, we’re here to inform you that we have uncovered evidence that the official investigations into what happened to the World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11 were deeply flawed, or worse. The scientific forensic facts we have discovered have very troubling implications.

For example, a technologically advanced, highly energetic material has been discovered in World Trade Center dust from the 9/11 catastrophe.

This follows the discovery, by the United States Geological Survey and others, of high concentrations of unusual previously molten iron-rich microspheres in the WTC dust. These microspheres can only have been formed during the destruction of the World Trade Center at temperatures far higher than can be explained by the jet fuel and office fires. Those fires, we are told by engineers employed by NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, were allegedly the cause of the World Trade Center’s destruction. The discovery of this advanced energetic material, in the form of red/gray chips distributed throughout the dust, both explains the iron-rich microspheres and confirms the inadequacy of the official account of what happened that tragic day.....

Evidence Refutes the Official 9/11 Investigation: The Scientific Forensic Facts

 

[sdmsanjose]

Do your, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - 2010-10-04 , also think that the U.S. Governement was involved in the other terrorist attacks listed below?



The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a truck bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City
The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing:

The 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings occurred on August 7, 1998. Hundreds of people were killed in simultaneous truck bomb explosions at the United States embassies in the major East African cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya. The attacks, linked to local members of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad brought Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri to the attention of the US public for the first time, and resulted in the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation placing bin Laden on its Ten Most Wanted list.

The USS Cole Bombing, or the USS Cole Incident, was a suicide attack against the United States Navy destroyer USS Cole (DDG 67) on October 12, 2000 while it was harbored and refueling in the Yemeni port of Aden. 17 American sailors were killed, and 39 were injured. This event was the deadliest attack against a United States Naval vessel since 1987.The terrorist organization al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack

Why would Islamic terrorist claim they were responsible for the attacks including 9-11 if it was the U.S. GOVERNMENT?

 

[circa02]

Why would Islamic terrorist claim they were responsible for the attacks including 9-11 if it was the U.S. GOVERNMENT?

Cause it made them appear powerful, and it furthered their agenda? imagine if some lone nut killed Osama, we would probably claim he worked for us.

 

[circa02]

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[pgp_protector]

Danish chemist giving an interview on that he and a group of scientists found nano-thermite (!) in dust from WTC 911.

Thermite Dust !!!
wait.
isn't thermite just Aluminum(maybe from the plane ?) and Iron Oxide (Rust)
No, that can't be that simple an explanation for why thermite residue was found.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Why would Islamic terrorist claim they were responsible for the attacks including 9-11 if it was the U.S. GOVERNMENT?

Repy by Circa

Cause it made them appear powerful, and it furthered their agenda? imagine if some lone nut killed Osama, we would probably claim he worked for us.

You seem to have all the answers. Are you now going to tell us that the Islamic Terrorist and the U.S. Government got together to arrange the 9-11 United Airlines Flight 93 (“Lets Roll”) reports and facts?




United Airlines Flight 93 was a scheduled United States domestic passenger flight from Newark International Airport in Newark, NJ, to San Francisco International Airport in San Francisco, California, that was hijacked on September 11, 2001. Approximately 46 minutes into the flight, the hijackers breached the cockpit, overpowered the pilots and took control of the aircraft, diverting it toward Washington, D.C. It is widely presumed the intended target was the United States Capitol however evidence remains inconclusive. Several passengers and crew members made telephone calls aboard the flight and learned about the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. As a result of this knowledge, the passengers decided to mount an assault against the hijackers in an attempt to regain control of the aircraft.

Three "muscle" hijackers trained to storm the cockpit and overpower the crew accompanied Jarrah on Flight 93.[18] One of them, Ahmed al-Nami, arrived in Miami, Florida, on May 28, 2001, on a six-month tourist visa with United Airlines Flight 175 hijackers Hamza al-Ghamdi and Mohand al-Shehri. Another Flight 93 hijacker, Ahmed al-Haznawi, arrived in Miami on June 8 with Flight 11 hijacker Wail al-Shehri. The third Flight 93 muscle hijacker, Saeed al-Ghamdi, arrived in Orlando, Florida, on June 27 with Flight 175 hijacker Fayez Banihammad.[13] Passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al-Ghamdi were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93.

The four hijackers checked in for the flight between 07:03 and 07:39 Eastern Time.[23] At 07:03, Ghamdi checked in without any luggage while Nami checked in two bags.[21] At 07:24, Haznawi checked in one bag and at 07:39, Jarrah checked in without any luggage. Haznawi was the only hijacker selected for extra scrutiny by the Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System (CAPPS).[

 

[kathaksung]

Do your, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - 2010-10-04 , also think that the U.S. Governement was involved in the other terrorist attacks listed below?



The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a truck bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City
The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing:

The 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings occurred on August 7, 1998. Hundreds of people were killed in simultaneous truck bomb explosions at the United States embassies in the major East African cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya. The attacks, linked to local members of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad brought Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri to the attention of the US public for the first time, and resulted in the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation placing bin Laden on its Ten Most Wanted list.

The USS Cole Bombing, or the USS Cole Incident, was a suicide attack against the United StatesNavydestroyerUSS Cole (DDG 67) on October 12, 2000 while it was harbored and refueling in the Yemeni port of Aden. 17 American sailors were killed, and 39 were injured. This event was the deadliest attack against a United States Naval vessel since 1987.The terrorist organization al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack

Why would Islamic terrorist claim they were responsible for the attacks including 9-11 if it was the U.S. GOVERNMENT?

Because those Islamic terrorist are secret operatives of the Feds. They work for US. When US needs an enemy, they said they were.

First WTC Bombing
The first WTC bombing was an exercise in Muslim Patsyism.

In fact according to the NY Times, it was the FBI that decided to have the bomb explode. The Times writes:

"Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

"The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

"The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers." 4

This is a triple case of friendly fire terrorism.

911review.org/Wiki/FirstWTCBombing.shtml

 

[kathaksung]

Do your, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - 2010-10-04 , also think that the U.S. Governement was involved in the other terrorist attacks listed below?



The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a truck bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City
The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing:

The 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings occurred on August 7, 1998. Hundreds of people were killed in simultaneous truck bomb explosions at the United States embassies in the major East African cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya. The attacks, linked to local members of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad brought Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri to the attention of the US public for the first time, and resulted in the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation placing bin Laden on its Ten Most Wanted list.

The USS Cole Bombing, or the USS Cole Incident, was a suicide attack against the United StatesNavydestroyerUSS Cole (DDG 67) on October 12, 2000 while it was harbored and refueling in the Yemeni port of Aden. 17 American sailors were killed, and 39 were injured. This event was the deadliest attack against a United States Naval vessel since 1987.The terrorist organization al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack

Why would Islamic terrorist claim they were responsible for the attacks including 9-11 if it was the U.S. GOVERNMENT?

Bin Laden is a living plant.

In 1990, Soviet bloc collapsed. US intelligence turned its resource which used to deal with Soviet bloc to the new target - Mid-east countries which are rich in natural resource. Bin Laden, an asset of the CIA in Afghanistan war(against Russian), was revived in this new project as a false flag - Islamic extremist. He went to Sudan first in 1991.
Quote:
The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia .

http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm


Saudi and US didn't take the offer with various excuse because Bin Laden is a living plant they deployed there.

In 1995, Bin Laden tried to set up a connection with Saddam but was refused.
Quote:
Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam, al Qaida

A September 2006 report by the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Saddam was "distrustful of al Qaida and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al Qaida to provide material or operational support."

The Senate report, citing an FBI debriefing of a senior Iraqi spy, Faruq Hijazi , said that Saddam turned down a request for assistance by bin Laden which he made at a 1995 meeting in Sudan with an Iraqi operative.

http://search.yahoo.com/404handler?src=news&fr=404_news&ref=http%3A%2F%2Ftalk.baltimoresun.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D110665%26amp%3Bpage%3D12&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fmcclatchy%2F20080310%2Fwl_mcclatchy%2F2875005


Sudan may have felt the danger to accomodate Bin Laden. In May 1996, the Sudanese asked bin Laden to leave. He went to Afghan and stay there until now.

In August 1998, Sudan and Afghanistan were bombed by US missiles.

In 2001, after 911, Afghan, facing US invasion, made an offer but failed.
Quote:
Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over
* Taliban demand evidence of Bin Laden's guilt

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 14 October 2001 22.19 BST

http://www.politic.co.uk/18142-remember-osama.html


In Bin Laden's recent 20 years, the countries he went or tried to go, have something in common: They all have rich natural resources. Sudan and Iraq have oil. Afghan has rich mine. '
Quote:

Afghanistan to develop $3 trillion in mining potential
DUBAI | Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:14pm
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69O3JP20101025


He didn't go to Yemen, Somali or Syria for his "revolution" because they are resource poor countries, not in US interest list. He didn't go to Saudi or Kuwait. Because they are US allies. He only went to Sudan, Afghan, or Iraq (intended to) because these three countries were not controlled by US at that time. As a living plant, he gave US the excuse to activate attack on these three countries. (Even Saddam realized that Bin Laden was a dangerous living plant and rejected him, Iraq at last was invaded with an un-existed WMD)

 

[Thekla]

Well, we were told - adamantly - that there was no massacre at El Mazote, that Guatemala had a great human rights record. There was Operation Condor (the official line: "what's that" ?), Cyprus, the Pentagon Papers, Watergate, attempts to block news of the Armenian Genocide, decision to not encourage US investors to divest in the (illegal) buildup of the German war machine pre WWII. The origin of the Taliban (lets give the USSR their own Vietnam), the difficulty for US soldiers fighting against Iraqi's using weapons purchased from the US (first time 'round there) ...

There's more. Any wonder why folks don't trust the official line on 9/11 ?

 

[Btodd]

Kathaksung, you are seriously deluded, and are being duped by people like AE911Truth. I barely know where to start to set you straight, because it will take pages upon pages...and if my experience with Truthers has taught me anything, it's that they hold these theories for reasons that don't involve evidence at all...because the evidence for an Al Qaeda attack, and the collapse of the buildings coming from those attacks...is so enormous that denying it is a sign of a severe misunderstanding of science and the principles of evidence, or an ideological fixation with government conspiracies as true upon hearing them.

First of all, since you're so 'sold' on thermate being an 'explosive', why don't you elaborate on that, please? For instance:

1. Show me how it 'explodes'. It does not.

2. Show me how it can be used to bring down a skyscraper, from the top down, in perfectly-timed succession (for instance, how much would be needed?). Thermate 'burns', and uses gravity to accomplish the task...the same as if you put acid on top of a beam and waited for it to burn through. Hence, it cannot be 'timed' in perfect succession, and trying to use it to bring down a skyscraper is sheer lunacy. It also requires a great deal of thermate to accomplish the task...it would have been everywhere.

3. The only reason it was brought up in the first place is because Truthers already held the idea that it was a controlled demolition, but were at a loss to explain the lack of explosions that a controlled demolition involves (they can be heard for miles, and this did not happen on 9/11). The next thing you know, somebody says 'they did it with thermate', even though that's never been shown to even be possible. When that failed, it became 'nano-thermite', and now you've bought into that, too. It's still un-evidenced nonsense, so I fail to see why you find it so convincing at the mere mention.

4. The 'building blocks' of the material are also found in basic construction materials that were abundant in the towers. Even if it were used in the demolition of skyscrapers ( it isn't ), you still wouldn't have shown that it had been, unless you are able to discount the building blocks as having come from these materials.

5. I can find someone with a scientific degree that believes in the most crackpot theory you've ever heard. That's irrelevant, because in every field, you have crackpots...and appeals to authority are not evidence. Only arguments are evidence...so if your guy has evidence that nanothermite was used in a controlled demolition, then let me see the science paper he wrote about it, with evidence, and what reputable science journal he submitted it to for peer-review. If he did NOT do those things, then you have a belief based on pseudoscience. I can show you tons of creationists who swear that Evolution is false, and they also produce petitions (like AE911Truth) about 'scientists who don't accept Darwinism'. Science isn't done by petition, it's done by the scientific method. These guys are total frauds, and have been from day one.

Get back to me with your evidence, please...or admit that this is total nonsense, dreamed up by people with ideological convictions that outweigh common sense and scientific knowledge.

 

[katsung47]

Btodd, You are harassing people by "Get back to me with your evidence, please...or admit that this is total nonsense,". People, by their common sense, don't believe Government lies. Do these German people have to have a piece of evidence in their hands?

Most people don't believe official story of 911
A recent poll in the "German magazine "Welt der Wunder" conducted by the well known Emnid Institute results in astonishing 89% of the german respondents not believing the official line 9/11. The magazine in 2010 already published the story of NATOs "secret nuclear war", where the consequences of the widespread use of depleted uranium ammunitions were explained.

 

[tulc]

Btodd, You are harassing people by "Get back to me with your evidence, please...or admit that this is total nonsense,". People, by their common sense, don't believe Government lies. Do these German people have to have a piece of evidence in their hands?

Most people don't believe official story of 911
A recent poll in the "German magazine "Welt der Wunder" conducted by the well known Emnid Institute results in astonishing 89% of the german respondents not believing the official line 9/11. The magazine in 2010 already published the story of NATOs "secret nuclear war", where the consequences of the widespread use of depleted uranium ammunitions were explained.

About the bolded portion? "Germans who have no evidence are no more credible then Americans who have no evidence." Remember: opinions are nice, but evidence beats opinion every time!
tulc(it's a fact of life)

 

[Btodd]

Asking for evidence is harassment; I'll have to write that one down.

 

[circa02]

Remember: opinions are nice, but evidence beats opinion every time!

So please stop giving us opinions and provide facts.

 

[katsung47]

Asking for evidence is harassment; I'll have to write that one down.

This is discussion board not court. People don't have to prove they are right by evidence. They prove they are right with common sense. Besides, there are so maney evidence showed by people.

Stanley Hilton Interview

AJ: He is back with us. He is former Bob Dole's chief of staff, very successful counselor, lawyer. He represents hundreds of the victims families of 9/11. He is suing Bush for involvement in 9/11. Now a major Zogby poll out - half of New Yorkers think the government was involved in 9/11. And joining us for the next 35 minutes, into the next hour, is Stanley Hilton. Stanley, it's great to have you on with us.


SH: Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleeza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Mueller, etc. for complicity in personally not only allowing 9/11 to happen but in ordering it. The hijackers we retained and we had a witness who is married to one of them. The hijackers were U.S. undercover agents. They were double agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab groups in this country. They were controlled. Their landlord was an FBI informant in San Diego and other places. And this was a direct, covert operation ordered, personally ordered by George W. Bush. Personally ordered. We have incriminating evidence, documents as well as witnesses, to this effect.

(911review. StanleyHiltoninterview)

 

[Btodd]

This is discussion board not court. People don't have to prove they are right by evidence. They prove they are right with common sense.

Wow, keep 'em coming.

So far, you've provided neither evidence, nor common sense. You see a quote that says the hijackers were undercover agents, and that's all you need? It's true, just because you read it?

"The earth is flat". Without evidence to the contrary, common sense would lead you to that conclusion, as it did with everyone at one time. That's why the actual facts matter, and you have to critically examine them to establish what is most likely true.


Btodd

 

[katsung47]

Wow, keep 'em coming.

So far, you've provided neither evidence, nor common sense. You see a quote that says the hijackers were undercover agents, and that's all you need? It's true, just because you read it?

"The earth is flat". Without evidence to the contrary, common sense would lead you to that conclusion, as it did with everyone at one time. That's why the actual facts matter, and you have to critically examine them to establish what is most likely true.


Btodd

Oh, yes, I think Stanley Hilton is more reliable than you. He is former Bob Dole's chief of staff, very successful counselor, lawyer. It's your turn to prove what he said is not true. You have evidence?

Here is some more for you.

Evidence Refutes the Official 9/11 Investigation: The Scientific Forensic Facts

by Richard Gage and Gregg Roberts
Global Research, October 13, 2010
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - 2010-10-04

Search for it. I am not allowed to post address.

 

[Btodd]

Oh, yes, I think Stanley Hilton is more reliable than you. He is former Bob Dole's chief of staff, very successful counselor, lawyer. It's your turn to prove what he said is not true. You have evidence?

You haven't provided evidence; you're merely resting on what a person said. To quote Christopher Hitchens, 'that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence'. You have the process backward...the person who makes the claim has the burden of proof.

And I'm very familiar with Richard Gage and AE911Truth. Try again. They're known for their little petition, which includes titles like 'landscape architect' and 'software engineer' in order to pad the numbers...don't fall for it. Those titles are irrelevant to talking about structural engineering and demolitions.

Years ago, members of the JREF Forum got themselves on the very same list (while not being engineers or architects), and were only removed once they called themselves out. There's no process for 'vetting' any of the petition-signers.

Aside from the fact that science is not done by creating petitions of 'people who believe X'. If AE911Truth has such damning evidence, they can submit a scientific paper about it to a peer-reviewed engineering or demolitions journal. Until then, they can keep their silly little petition.


Btodd