Skeptics Bible

[joshua 1 9]

According to the Skeptics Bible: "The Genesis 1 account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science." "In Genesis 1:1, the earth and "heaven" are created together "in the beginning,"

This is the typical strawmen argument that the skeptics are known to use to try and confuse people and to lead them away from the truth that we find in the Bible.

1:1 In the beginning God created* the heaven and the earth.

In the first verse there are actually 7 words in the Hebrew Bible. The word created (bara) means to cut down, shape and fashion. We know from Science that we are "star stuff". We know that many of the elements that we find here on the earth were created in a star. The skeptics do not understand what they are reading so they make some assumptions that are simply not true or accurate. First of all the Bible does not conflict in any way with what is known in science today. Even we can use science to guide our understanding of the Bible. Science helps us to understand the word of God. For some a stumbling block can become a stepping store. The skeptic takes science and tries to twist and pervert the Word of God. They fail in their attempt because they have no evidence to back up their claim. Then as a smoke screen to hide the fact that they have no evidence they try to accuse Bible believing people of having no evidence. Thy try to convict others of the exact very thing they are guilty of.

01254 // arb // bara' // baw-raw' //

a primitive root; TWOT - 278; v

AV - create 42, creator 3, choose 2, make 2, cut down 2, dispatch 1,
done 1, make fat 1; 54

1) to create, shape, form
1a) (Qal) to shape, fashion, create (always with God as subject)
1a1) of heaven and earth
1a2) of individual man
1a3) of new conditions and circumstances
1a4) of transformations
1b) (Niphal) to be created
1b1) of heaven and earth
1b2) of birth
1b3) of something new
1b4) of miracles
1c) (Piel)
1c1) to cut down
1c2) to cut out
2) to be fat
2a) (Hiphil) to make yourselves fat

 

[PsychoSarah]

According to the Skeptics Bible: "The Genesis 1 account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science." "In Genesis 1:1, the earth and "heaven" are created together "in the beginning,"

This is the typical strawmen argument that the skeptics are known to use to try and confuse people and to lead them away from the truth that we find in the Bible.

1:1 In the beginning God created* the heaven and the earth.

In the first verse there are actually 7 words in the Hebrew Bible. The word created (bara) means to cut down, shape and fashion. We know from Science that we are "star stuff". We know that many of the elements that we find here on the earth were created in a star. The skeptics do not understand what they are reading so they make some assumptions that are simply not true or accurate. First of all the Bible does not conflict in any way with what is known in science today. Even we can use science to guide our understanding of the Bible. Science helps us to understand the word of God. For some a stumbling block can become a stepping store. The skeptic takes science and tries to twist and pervert the Word of God. They fail in their attempt because they have no evidence to back up their claim. Then as a smoke screen to hide the fact that they have no evidence they try to accuse Bible believing people of having no evidence. Thy try to convict others of the exact very thing they are guilty of.

01254 // arb // bara' // baw-raw' //

a primitive root; TWOT - 278; v

AV - create 42, creator 3, choose 2, make 2, cut down 2, dispatch 1,
done 1, make fat 1; 54

1) to create, shape, form
1a) (Qal) to shape, fashion, create (always with God as subject)
1a1) of heaven and earth
1a2) of individual man
1a3) of new conditions and circumstances
1a4) of transformations
1b) (Niphal) to be created
1b1) of heaven and earth
1b2) of birth
1b3) of something new
1b4) of miracles
1c) (Piel)
1c1) to cut down
1c2) to cut out
2) to be fat
2a) (Hiphil) to make yourselves fat

What are you even talking about? The conflict with science is about things like how the stars were made after the earth (even though many stars, including the sun, predate our planet, and new stars are continuously forming while others are collapsing, so to even imply that all stars besides the sun are the same age is ridiculous), or implying that the sun and the moon are the same age, or seed bearing plants predating fish and birds predating land animals.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What are you even talking about?

I am talking about having a proper understanding of the very first verse in the Bible. You have to start at the beginning. Esp sense Genesis chapter one is very brief and very concise.

The conflict with science is about things like how the stars were made after the earth

Clearly that interpretation of the Bible is wrong. We know from science that the earth is made of "star stuff". There is no conflict between true science and a proper interpretation and a true understanding of the Bible. The Bible does not say that the stars were made after the Earth. No doubt the skeptics are going to look at it that way, but we already know that the skeptics are wrong. If for no other reason then that they do not have the Holy Spirit of God in their lives to guide them and to lead them into the truth.

A google search shows us rules for Bible interpretation. It is essential that we follow the basic 101 Bible college rules for how to understand the Bible and how the Bible applies to us today in our generation. Far to many people do not even have a third grade understanding of the Bible. My father was a Medical Doctor for 50 years and he did not understand the basic rules for interpretation of the Bible. This became a stumbling block for him that he never resolved. He had a very good education in science but science is limited in what they can do and accomplish. We need to understand the Bible. The Bible gives us answers and solution that Science does not and can not. IF Science can solve all your problems and answer all your questions then wonderful. I am glad that science can get the job done and not leave you disappointed. For me I need what the Bible has to offer because Science is not enough. Only in the Bible do I find the solutions and the answers I am looking for.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I am talking about having a proper understanding of the very first verse in the Bible. You have to start at the beginning. Esp sense Genesis chapter one is very brief and very concise.

Which is part of the reason why how it contradicts with the order observed reality provides evidence for can't really be overlooked.

Clearly that interpretation of the Bible is wrong. We know from science that the earth is made of "star stuff". There is no conflict between true science and a proper interpretation and a true understanding of the Bible. The Bible does not say that the stars were made after the Earth. No doubt the skeptics are going to look at it that way, but we already know that the skeptics are wrong. If for no other reason then that they do not have the Holy Spirit of God in their lives to guide them and to lead them into the truth.

It very concisely says stars were made by YHWH after the Earth, including the sun. Worse, you are assuming the skeptics are wrong, but what actual evidence do you have for that being the case. How does the Genesis story not conflict in terms of order with observations?

A google search shows us rules for Bible interpretation. It is essential that we follow the basic 101 Bible college rules for how to understand the Bible and how the Bible applies to us today in our generation. Far to many people do not even have a third grade understanding of the Bible. My father was a Medical Doctor for 50 years and he did not understand the basic rules for interpretation of the Bible. This became a stumbling block for him that he never resolved. He had a very good education in science but science is limited in what they can do and accomplish. We need to understand the Bible. The Bible gives us answers and solution that Science does not and can not. IF Science can solve all your problems and answer all your questions then wonderful. I am glad that science can get the job done and not leave you disappointed. For me I need what the Bible has to offer because Science is not enough. Only in the Bible do I find the solutions and the answers I am looking for.

Whether or not the bible satisfies you in terms of your questions has no relation to whether or not the answers it is giving you are true. No, I am not satisfied with the answers that science currently provides, which motivates me to progress further to find more answers through observation and experimentation. There are many questions the bible doesn't answer, so even if every word of it was true, it would be insufficient to satisfy my thirst for knowledge. I am also not satisfied by answers that don't have evidence to back them.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Which is part of the reason why how it contradicts with the order observed reality provides evidence for can't really be overlooked.

There is no contradictions nor can there be. God gives us science and He gives us the Bible and He does not contradict Himself. If skeptics think there is a contradiction then they do not understand science or they do not understand the Bible. Usually it is the Bible they do not understand.

It very concisely says stars were made by YHWH after the Earth

That is not what the Bible says. A true understanding and a true interpretation of the Bible does not contradict science. Actually you have to read the Bible in the original language and you have to look at the context. Do a google search and read the rules on how to interpret and how to understand the Bible.

Whether or not the bible satisfies you in terms of your questions has no relation to whether or not the answers it is giving you are true.

Of course they are true, they fit and they work. I did construction for 50 years. They say measure once cut twice. Measure twice cut once. The point is that the solution in the Bible work, they fit. God has the answers we need and he has the solutions we need for our problems. Man can not solve everything but God can. Do not trust in man, put all of your faith and trust in God and He will not disappoint you. What do you have to lose? You have everything to gain.

 

[In situ]

There is no contradictions nor can there be.

 

[joshua 1 9]

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Exactly, many times I have wanted to put up that photo for all the skeptics that do not want to know the truth and allow themselves to be deceived.

 

[In situ]

Exactly, many times I have wanted to put up that photo for all the skeptics that do not want to know the truth and allow themselves to be deceived.

First of all; if you cannot admit you are wrong, then you will never be able to find any truth what so ever.

Seconodly.

You supposed to substantiate any claims made with evidence and not only assert truth in this discussion forum. You claim to have the "right" interpretation. Why? Well, basically your answer to that question is "because I said so". (That is when I face palm...)

You claim there is only one correct interpretation genesis and, conveniently enough, it just so happen to be yours. This is a plain silly claim as there are at least two different interpretation of the Genesis in which both claims they are right for the very same reason you use. Not to mention other religions with their own version of holy myths also claims the very same and only truth. So it is frankly plain silly to read your asserted truth nonsense.

In short; you personal preferences of an interpretation counts not as evidence. As long you argue the way you do, you will lose credibility and nobody will take anything you say serious. (For the record, you have complete lost any credibility whatsoever in my eyes a long time ago and I have not seen any improvement on your part even trying to be reasonable).

 

[joshua 1 9]

First of all; if you cannot admit you are wrong, then you will never be able to find any truth what so ever.

What is to admit? I only make one claim that there is no contradiction between science and the Bible. I do not have to back it up because the God that gives us the Bible and Science is ready, able and willing to watch over His Word to perform it. If people want to deny God then that is between them and their Maker. It does not have anything to do with me. Science needs to get rid of any anti-God attitude and Religion needs to get rid of any anti-Science attitude. People need to beware least they find themselves fighting against the Living God that Created them.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You claim there is only one correct interpretation genesis and, conveniently enough, it just so happen to be yours.

The Bible is fresh and new for each and every generation. We go where the evidence leads us. We have more information so our generation is going to understand the Bible better then past generations. At least in the areas that can be confirmed and verified by science, which is extensive.

 

[In situ]

What is to admit? I only make one claim that there is no contradiction between science and the Bible. I do not have to back it up because the God that gives us the Bible and Science is ready, able and willing to watch over His Word to perform it. If people want to deny God then that is between them and their Maker. It does not have anything to do with me. Science needs to get rid of any anti-God attitude and Religion needs to get rid of any anti-Science attitude. People need to beware least they find themselves fighting against the Living God that Created them.

If you think a) I am reading what you write and b) I am gonna respond to what you written, you are then just wasting your own time. It was enough for me to read the firts sentence for me to then stop reading the rest. Good bye and, have a nice day.

 

[joshua 1 9]

First of all; if you cannot admit you are wrong, then you will never be able to find any truth what so ever.

What is to admit? I only make one claim that there is no contradiction between science and the Bible. I do not have to back it up because the God that gives us the Bible and Science is ready, able and willing to watch over His Word to perform it. If people want to deny God then that is between the and their Maker. It does not have anything to do with me. Science needs to get rid of any anti-God attitude and Religion needs to get rid of any anti-Science attitude. People need to beware least they find themselves fighting against the Living God that Created them.

 

[AV1611VET]

According to the Skeptics Bible: "The Genesis 1 account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science."

Bully for the Skeptics Bible.

The KJB does the same thing.

Why do I need the Skeptics Bible?

 

[bhsmte]

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Nailed it!

 

[bhsmte]

What is to admit? I only make one claim that there is no contradiction between science and the Bible. I do not have to back it up because the God that gives us the Bible and Science is ready, able and willing to watch over His Word to perform it. If people want to deny God then that is between the and their Maker. It does not have anything to do with me. Science needs to get rid of any anti-God attitude and Religion needs to get rid of any anti-Science attitude. People need to beware least they find themselves fighting against the Living God that Created them.

What a shock. You make a claim and then state, you don't have to back it up.

And you expect people to take you seriously?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Bully for the Skeptics Bible.

The KJB does the same thing.

Why do I need the Skeptics Bible?

The skeptics bible is a commentary. A lot of translations are not really translations so much as they paraphrase or are a commentary on the Bible. Sometimes based on what people claim is modern liberal theology. The skeptics bible is an attempt to suppress the knowledge of God.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What a shock. You make a claim and then state, you don't have to back it up.

Again you accuse me of what you are guilty of because you never back up what you say.

And you expect people to take you seriously?

Oh don't worry, I do not take you serious. I know the game you are playing and I laugh right along with you.

 

[Hieronymus]

Laughing implies there's something funny, but i don't see it...

 

[Armoured]

Clearly that interpretation of the Bible is wrong.

Or, maybe that bit of the Bible is wrong, when taken as literal history? Occam's razor.

 

[Oafman]

So, 'In the beginning' actually means 9,000,000,000 years of stars being born and dying, planets forming and being destroyed, whole star systems being consumed by black holes, and the universe expanding from a singularity to an almost unimaginably immense size.

The author of Genesis gets some points for brevity, but not so much for accuracy!