Sins

[Wolseley]

Is masturbation a sin irregardless of the presence of lustful thoughts?

According to Catholic moral theology, any act consisting of a sexual capability is sinful unless it is performed within the framework of a Christian marriage and is open to the conception of life.

How's that?

In other words, if you touch, it doesn't make any difference if you're thinking about Jennifer Lopez naked, dividends on your 401k stock options, old movies starring Boris Karloff, or the best way to kill cockroaches. You are still using a sexual faculty in a manner that is not within the framework of Christian marriage, and it is still not open to the conception of new life, which means it is sinful.

Masturbation is about the only instance I can think of where if you have a clean service record, you shouldn't be trying for an Honorable Discharge.

(Whooo, boy....sorry about that!)

 

[Caedmon]

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh man Wols, thanks for that. I really needed a good laugh after all the **** I've been through lately.

 

[Wolseley]

I can relate. I just skimmed through the latest posts in the active threads of IDD, and while I could comment on most of them, as Stephen King once said, "I don't b'lieve my haht can stand it right now."

 

[Caedmon]

Today at 09:19 PM Wolseley said this in Post #23 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=700236#post700236)

I can relate. I just skimmed through the latest posts in the active threads of IDD, and while I could comment on most of them, as Stephen King once said, "I don't b'lieve my haht can stand it right now."

Too much corned beef?...

 

[Wolseley]

Oncoming upper respitory infection. Again.

 

[Caedmon]

Today at 11:01 PM Wolseley said this in Post #25 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=700392#post700392)

Oncoming upper respitory infection. Again.

Ugh... I'll pray for ya. BTW, pray for me for tomorrow. I'm going to the Rite of Election, even though I declined being presented this time. I'm just going to cheer on my friend. This makes my heart heavy, but I'm trying not to let it hurt me.

Also, thank you for always addressing my questions about the Catholic Church, even the hard ones. You help me so much to learn about the Church.

 

[chelcb]

Hi Joe,

The only thing I guess I can add to this is *ahem* is the reason why those lustful thoughts need to be guarded.

 

[VOW]

That kills cockroaches??????

I'm surprised more men aren't in the extermination business!!

("Yes, Dear, I'm out to annihilate more roaches! Wish me well!")


Peace and nonsense,
~VOW

 

[Lotar]

 

Yeah, you know us predestination people... We're all out to devour you innocent God fearing real Christians.

Why must you put words in my mouth?

I siad "those predestination people" because you were not the only one, I believe there were two other people argueing with you. If it was just you I would have said Reformationist.

 

[Reformationist]

Yesterday at 06:36 PM Lotar said this in Post #29

 

Why must you put words in my mouth?

I siad "those predestination people" because you were not the only one, I believe there were two other people argueing with you. If it was just you I would have said Reformationist.

Talk about missing the point.  Why must we refer to each other by the different theological views that we have?  I am called many things on this MB, like Calvinist, fundamentalist, deluded, etc but only a handful of people refer to me as a brother in Christ.  It is definitely your perrogative to think I am wrong in my interpretation.  Referring to a point of view is one thing, i.e, "the reformed view of predestination."  Referring to your brothers and sisters in Christ as "those predestination people" is unnecessary.

Look man, don't worry about.  It's not a big enough deal for us to keep addressing it.  If I took it the wrong way I apologize.  Now that I think about it I'm sure you didn't mean anything derrogatory about it.

God bless

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

6th March 2003 at 01:48 AM Lotar said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=694056#post694056)

What are some passages in the bible supporting this?

1 John 5:16-17

"If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly."

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 12:21 PM Chris†opher Paul said this in Post #31

1 John 5:16-17

"If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly."

CP, what about the possibility (I'm not sure if this is a possibility in your view) of the difference between deadly and non-deadly sin being an issue of whether the penalty, i.e., death, is imputed based on whether or not Christ atoned for that person's sin?

Just wanted to get your take on that.

God bless,

Don

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Today at 04:04 PM Reformationist said this in Post #32 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=703477#post703477)

CP, what about the possibility (I'm not sure if this is a possibility in your view) of the difference between deadly and non-deadly sin being an issue of whether the penalty, i.e., death, is imputed based on whether or not Christ atoned for that person's sin?

Just wanted to get your take on that.

God bless,

Don

Whats up Don!?



If an unsaved person sins, then all sins are deadly by default, right?

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 01:07 PM Chris†opher Paul said this in Post #33

Whats up Don!?

Not much my friend.  It's been pretty hectic around here lately though.  A lot of ruffled feathers.

If an unsaved person sins, then all sins are deadly by default, right?

Yes, that's true.  Personally, I think the distinction being made is between the only unforgivable sin, blasphemy of the HS, and all others.  I think the fact that the term "deadly" is used with relation to sin, combined with our knowledge of all other sin being forgiveable, is indicative of the Lord's unwillingness to make atonement for that transgression.  Not to mention, I personally do not think that blasphemy of the HS is something that a true Christian can do.  That particular transgression is more than just a verbal renouncement and I have faith that the Lord preserves His people from committing that transgression.

God bless,

Don

 

[chelcb]

Lotar,

I don't know if you are still following but this sums it up, pretty good.

1 John

1
What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we looked upon and touched with our hands concerns the Word of life--
2
for the life was made visible; we have seen it and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was made visible to us--
3
what we have seen and heard we proclaim now to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; for our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
4
We are writing this so that our joy may be complete.
5
Now this is the message that we have heard from him and proclaim to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all.
6
If we say, "We have fellowship with him," while we continue to walk in darkness, we lie and do not act in truth.
7
But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of his Son Jesus cleanses us from all sin.
8
If we say, "We are without sin," we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9
If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from every wrongdoing.
10
If we say, "We have not sinned," we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[jjoel]

i got a quesiton. where did the catholics get the different catagories for sins and what makes the 7 sins so deadly (biblically).

i understand that you must confess your sins but just think of the great biblical people who rejected Christ and/or were murders. the 12 apostles (mark even ran away naked or some believe that), moses was a murderer, david was one also, paul was a REALLY BAD murdurer, and peter denied christ 3 times! (3 strikes ur out j/k).

anywayz thanks for your replies!

 

[jjoel]

wait nevermind i just saw that verse in 1 john

 

[chelcb]

Mortal sin is not the same as a imperfection of our personality. it is a direct command not to do something.

Jesus paid the price for us to be reconciled back to God and we are when we are baptized, but we as Adam did can cut ourselves off from grace by committing a mortal sin not venal sin, venal is an imperfection.

Once we are saved through baptism we are always saved, meaning we will not have to be baptized again if we fall from grace but we will have to repent and be sorry and God then forgives us through Jesus sacrafice on the cross.

We believe that Jesus sacrafice is two fold, not one.

He paid Adam's debt and we rejoined back with God through baptism, we are forgiven original sin, we are sharers in grace once again like Adam was a sharers in grace before the fall. This can not changed no matter what happens.

Jesus also died as a sin offering for our personal committed mortal sin. He offers his sacrafice up for them to obtain God's forgiveness for them when we go to him in confession.

 

[chelcb]

makes the 7 sins so deadly

Because when you have let say pride, it can lead you to unforgiveness which the bible says if you don't forgive you won't be forgiven.

Get the idea?