Sins of the prophet Muhammad

InnerPhyre said:

Being a religious studies major, a helpful tip I've found in understanding another religion is this. If you're a Muslim and want to understand Christianity, forget everything out know about the Qur'an and read the Bible. If you're a Christian and you want to understand Islam, forget everything you've read about Jesus in the Bible and read the Qur'an. If I want to understand Hinduism, but I seek to do so from a Christian perspective, I will always fail, because Christians aren't Hindus. If I want to understand what it means to be a Muslim, I can't try to do it from a Christian perspective, because Muslims aren't Christians. So if you want to understand what it is to be a Christian, abandon what you know of Islam, and understand what we know as Christians.

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It is not true that Jesus asked people of Israel to leave their religion and then invited them to true faith. It is not true that Musa (AS) asked people to leave pharoah and first and then invited them to true faith...

Don't ask people to do what doesn't make sense. Be a Muslims, invite to the truth and seek forgiveness of Allah, Rabb of Adam, Nuh, Ibraheem, Ismael, Isaac, Musa, Haroon, Isa, Muhammad.

Don't do thing which was never done by Jesus (AS).

InnerPhyre said:

Because the God I believe in loves people and wants them all to be saved. He fulfilled His own justice with His death, so that we may be spared.

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Then it is not a God - who gives his life to save what has been created by God.

Bookofknowledge said:

Then it is not a God - who gives his life to save what has been created by God.

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It certainly is.

Bookofknowledge said:

Then it is not a God - who gives his life to save what has been created by God.

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And here we go right to the attack .

Bookofknowledge said:

It is not true that Jesus asked people of Israel to leave their religion and then invited them to true faith. It is not true that Musa (AS) asked people to leave pharoah and first and then invited them to true faith...

Don't ask people to do what doesn't make sense. Be a Muslims, invite to the truth and seek forgiveness of Allah, Rabb of Adam, Nuh, Ibraheem, Ismael, Isaac, Musa, Haroon, Isa, Muhammad.

Don't do thing which was never done by Jesus (AS).

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I'm not talking about converting. I'm talking about studying in an academic sense. To understand what it is to be Hindu requires that you put aside your own beliefs and attempt to understand from their perspective.

Green Man said:

And here we go right to the attack .

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Didn't take long, did it?

InnerPhyre said:

It certainly is.

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then they are not equal

You're forgetting Innerphyre that if it goes against the Qur'an,it's automatically wrong in spite of prevaing evidence.

Green Man said:

You're forgetting Innerphyre that if it goes against the Qur'an,it's automatically wrong in spite of prevaing evidence.

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Of course. Whatever the Bible says is wrong unless it's pointing out that Muhammad is coming after Jesus and then that part is right.

Why couldn't they be equal?

Bookofknowledge said:

then they are not equal

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Of course they are equal. You just can't seem to comprehend the idea of a God who loves you that much, but He does

Green Man said:

You're forgetting Innerphyre that if it goes against the Qur'an,it's automatically wrong in spite of prevaing evidence.

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You certainly have to realize the power it carries when some one use the word “GOD”.



GOD the Father, GOD the Son terms makes two not equal because I can not be equal to my father when compared. I know how you feel, the very foundation of trinity starts to shake when someone tickle a bit on this topic.

There is none in the heavens and earth who can frustrate the Will of Allah. The wicked amongst the people of Israel plotted a scheme against the messenger of Allah. Look how frustrating it is for these people to explain the theory of killing Jesus even after 1400++ years

Bookofknowledge said:

You certainly have to realize the power it carries when some one use the word ?GOD?.



GOD the Father, GOD the Son terms makes two not equal because I can not be equal to my father when compared. I know how you feel, the very foundation of trinity starts to shake when someone tickle a bit on this topic.

There is none in the heavens and earth who can frustrate the Will of Allah. The wicked amongst the people of Israel plotted a scheme against the messenger of Allah. Look how frustrating it is for these people to explain the theory of killing Jesus even after 1400++ years

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I guess that would depend on the comparison being made,now wouldn't it?

Little did they know their scheme was a way of facilitating God's plan that had existed from the foundation of the Earth. When they crucified Jesus, they did not prevail.


The Trinity is only difficult when you assume the Muslim way of viewing the trinity is correct, which is 3 separate gods. That is a flawed and heretical view. ALso, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Muhammad thing the trinity was Father, Mother and Son? Muhammad clearly didn't understand it properly. When the Word became flesh, He took on an inferior form. That's not in dispute, but looks can be deceiving.

Bookofknowledge said:

You certainly have to realize the power it carries when some one use the word ?GOD?.



GOD the Father, GOD the Son terms makes two not equal because I can not be equal to my father when compared. I know how you feel, the very foundation of trinity starts to shake when someone tickle a bit on this topic.

There is none in the heavens and earth who can frustrate the Will of Allah. The wicked amongst the people of Israel plotted a scheme against the messenger of Allah. Look how frustrating it is for these people to explain the theory of killing Jesus even after 1400++ years

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I knew it would turn into a sermon somewhere down the line.

InnerPhyre said:

Little did they know their scheme was a way of facilitating God's plan that had existed from the foundation of the Earth. When they crucified Jesus, they did not prevail.


The Trinity is only difficult when you assume the Muslim way of viewing the trinity is correct, which is 3 separate gods. That is a flawed and heretical view. ALso, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Muhammad thing the trinity was Father, Mother and Son? Muhammad clearly didn't understand it properly. When the Word became flesh, He took on an inferior form. That's not in dispute, but looks can be deceiving.

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What will you say when Jesus(AS) descend on earth? Are you going to ask him to sacrifies his life again? Tell me what will be your plan of action? Why is coming back?

Little is it that you know about what will Jesus say in front of Allah on Day of Judgement and when He descend... Soon it is that you will come to know the Truth but that truth will not do any good to the wrongdoers.

Selfish is the desire of attaining salvation on the death of Jesus, disgraceful is that followers who let the wicked get successful in killing Jesus

Allah said they did not killed Jesus yet you feel no shame in saying they were successful in killing Jesus?

Bookofknowledge said:

What will you say when Jesus(AS) descend on earth? Are you going to ask him to sacrifies his life again? Tell me what will be your plan of action? Why is coming back?

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No. There is no need for another sacrifice. He is coming back to judge the living and the dead. And His kingdom will have no end.

Bookofknowledge said:

Little is it that you know about what will Jesus say in front of Allah on Day of Judgement and when He descend... Soon it is that you will come to know the Truth but that truth will not do any good to the wrongdoers.

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I'm well aware of the Truth. Meanwhile, I'll do what Jesus taught, not what someone taught about Him 600 years later.

Bookofknowledge said:

Selfish is the desire of attaining salvation on the death of Jesus, disgraceful is that followers who let the wicked get successful in killing Jesus

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Did you not read what I said? Jesus laid down His life. No one took it from Him.

Bookofknowledge said:

Allah said they did not killed Jesus yet you feel no shame in saying they were successful in killing Jesus?

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If I believed what was in the Qur'an is from God, I would be a Muslim, not a Christian, wouldn't I? I believe that you do not adhere to what God has said in the Bible. You don't see me getting hostile about it though. Can Muslims not have dialogue without gnashing teeth and getting angry?

InnerPhyre said:

No. There is no need for another sacrifice. He is coming back to judge the living and the dead. And His kingdom will have no end.

I'm well aware of the Truth. Meanwhile, I'll do what Jesus taught, not what someone taught about Him 600 years later.

Did you not read what I said? Jesus laid down His life. No one took it from Him.

If I believed what was in the Qur'an is from God, I would be a Muslim, not a Christian, wouldn't I? I believe that you do not adhere to what God has said in the Bible. You don't see me getting hostile about it though. Can Muslims not have dialogue without gnashing teeth and getting angry?

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Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said He will be the first to worship if Allah had any Son. Since Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said It, I will also be standing behind my prophet Muhammad (SAW) to worship if GOD had any Son.

Say there is only One God without partners or wait until this earth turns to a different earth and I too shall wait for the hour which is bound to come.

This is, I think what separates us: Muslims are lacking in a true understanding of what it means to love. For you believe that God hates wicked people. We have all done wicked things, haven't we? Does God hate us all? We must follow the example that Jesus gave us, and that is to love one another as Jesus loved us. He loved us enough to lay down His life willingly. Those who crucified Him thought they had defeated Him, but they did not, for He took His life back up and rose on the third day. Read these verses and try to understand what it means to truly love:

John 13:34: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another"

Luke 6:27-28: "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you."



1 John 2:9-10: Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble

Luke 23:34: [As Jesus was being crucified, He cried out]: "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing"

And perhaps, in my opinion, the most important lesson that Muslims should learn is:

1 Corinthians 13: If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love,.I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love,.I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. .It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But.where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. ,For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. .When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


I hope you took the time to read that. I doubt you did, since you don't seem to read any scripture that I post. If you want to understand us though, there it is. The rest I leave to you.

Bookofknowledge said:

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said He will be the first to worship if Allah had any Son. Since Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said It, I will also be standing behind my prophet Muhammad (SAW) to worship if GOD had any Son.

Say there is only One God without partners or wait until this earth turns to a different earth and I too shall wait for the hour which is bound to come.

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There is only one God. God has no partners. I believe this firmly.