I fear the Holy spirit is not working in you.
I will pray that truth be your guild.
This is just so wrong. Neither of these things biblically disqualify a believer from salvation. Apostacy, Hebrew 6, says:
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
But we see the cross covers a lifetime of failures and sins. So it is impossible to crucify again Christ while one lives. The person listed here is someone who has wandered from the truth, and eventually died in their sins.
You said:Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die,
You said:but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;
You said:As for speaking a bad word against the Holy Ghost, that is not unpardonable either. The unpardonable sin is a state of heart when no matter the power of the miracle, or sign, the person ignores the message of the cross. The Pharisees were condemned for not believing in Jesus' miracles, calling him a devil. It was a blasphemy against Gods' signs to them.
Yu are miss-quoting me all over the place. The scripture is stating to the mature Christain, that if we see our brother committing a sin, and it has not lead to their physical death, God has not given up on them, and we are to pray that they be restored to righteousness, to right living, and God will do the restoring.
We can be sure that God has not given up on any Christain who has not died in their sin. We are not to condone the sin, no rather pray for them to come out from it.
The wages of sin is death. We all sin ... we all deserve death. Christ paid our sin debt (AMEN!) Sin is sin and death is death. The consequences of sin (experienced) may be more severe than others .... but it's all sin. (ie experiencing murder is much more severe than someone lying) .... but they are both sin.
We are born separated from God ... spiritually and physically.
Through Christ we receive ever lasting life .... spiritually and physically ... and when His plan has been fully executed then this becomes the reality.
ABSOLUTELY AND AMEN !!!
Fearing that you may not be led by His Holy Spirit, in this case, is a concern. Nevertheless, the alternative position to 1 John 5 16-17 is simply not to pray for the dead. They have sinned unto death.Insults are not becoming of the saints. Besides, you did not answer or explain anything as an alternative position to convince me (with God’s Holy Word). How do you view the verses I presented?
In any event, May God bless you.
Amen! John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
You said:1 John 5:16 - If anyone sees his brother [believer] committing a sin that does not [lead to] death (the extinguishing of life), he will pray and [God] will give him life [yes, He will grant life to all those whose sin is not one leading to death]. There is a sin [that leads] to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin which does not [involve] death [that may be repented of and forgiven]. 18 We know [absolutely] that anyone born of God does not [deliberately and knowingly] practice committing sin, but the One Who was begotten of God carefully watches over and protects him [Christ’s divine presence within him preserves him against the evil], and the wicked one does not lay hold (get a grip) on him or touch [him]. (AMPC)
I see that you are still advocating sinless perfection and salvation by works. Good luck with that. You remain caught up in the “holier than thou” syndrome.Believing in Jesus is more than just believing in the person of Jesus Christ, but it is believing everything He taught, said, and did. It would be believing even His followers. For Paul says that we are to imitate him, and he said that he imitates Christ. Anyways, by what you said in this other thread here, it does not appear like you are for obeying all of God’s commands and that if we forget to confess of a sin, it will not condemn us. John tells us to “sin not” (1 John 2:1), but if we do happen to sin we have an advocate named Jesus Christ that we can go to confess our sins. For John ways, if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). The problem is that most Christians do not believe these verses. Most Christians do not believe they have to confess of sin to be forgiven of sin even though that is what the verse says. Most Christians do not believe John when he says, “sin not.”
The words “practicing sin” is an addition by Modern Translations.
“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” (1 John 5:18-20).
To contrast the believer it talks about how the whole world lies in wickedness. When I talk with Christians they say they can sin and still be saved and when I ask what does a life of not practicing sin look like they really do not give me a good answer. How many times does one not sin? Do Christians sin every week or just every couple of months or just sin less every couple of hours? Where is the line drawn to determine what is practicing sin and what is not practicing sin? You have already stated that you don’t have to confess every sin to be forgiven (saved). So this means you are teaching that a believer can sin and still be saved. This would be teaching others they can practice sin because they do not have to worry about keeping God’s laws but they can just believe on Jesus alone to be saved (with no real worry about how they live).
Fearing that you may not be led by His Holy Spirit, in this case, is a concern. Nevertheless, the alternative position to 1 John 5 16-17 is simply not to pray for the dead. They have sinned unto death.
Blessings.
I see that you are still advocating sinless perfection and salvation by works. Good luck with that. You remain caught up in the “holier than thou” syndrome.
Seems I hit a nerve. My apologies for hitting that nerve.I can say the same of you and others, but I would not do so because it can come off as insulting and even lead to getting in trouble with the staff. But God commands me to forgive and to return good for what I believe is any kind of wrong spoken against me. So I will say to you… “May God’s love and peace shine upon you greatly today.” Also, I believe I am being led by the Spirit, and you would be making a false accusation against everything I hold dear in this life (Which is the working of God in my life). The Spirit is given to those who obey Him (Acts of the Apostles 5:32). Nowhere am I encouraging anyone to disobey God (of which you took my thread to be - when that is not the case at all).
I have learned a lot in God’s Word and I have many God stories that can only be by the guiding of the Holy Spirit. So I disagree with your false accusation. I am not the first non-Catholic Christian to hold to the view that there is mortal and non-mortal sins. To call into question that a Christian who believes this way in that they are all setting out to trivialize sin is not fair because the Bible does appear to teach non-mortal sin (1 John 5:16-17). The Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit, and so the issue is of one in understanding them (if you do believe I am not understanding this topic correctly). So instead of insulting me, you should do your best to help me as a fellow brother to gain the understanding on what His Word says (i.e. loving me). But if you want to keep throwing stones at me (with you having no way of truly knowing you are 100% correct unless you are God), then go right ahead and keep throwing stones. I will rejoice in God my Savior (Matthew 5:11-12).
Seems I hit a nerve.
You said:There is only one truth and we all know the Holy Spirit guilds us to that truth. But thank you for clarifying what you belive in, " mortal and non- mortal , venial, sins" . Your right this is a Catholic doctrine. Though Jesus Christ of Nazareth never taught such a thing, I would have to follow His interpretation of all sin.
Blessings.
What about sinful thoughts? Shouldn't we put them out of mind?Sin is not to be struggled with. No one can overcome sin by his own strength. Jesus said to learn humility the correct way is by imitating his humility, not to be a dumb doormat, and one needs to carry his cross daily or meaning die to self will on a daily basis.
So some sins won't kill me? What sin is that? People commit every sin but don't die from it.
What about sinful thoughts? Shouldn't we put them out of mind?
Sorry. The Bible teaches that only past sins are forgiven us.
The Bible teaches only past sins are forgiven us (not future sins).
The door of forgiveness is open until Jesus returns .... and that is yet in the future.
Jesus died for us “once for all.”
If only past sins are forgiven, then we would have to keep reapplying the blood of Jesus every time we sin. The writer of Hebrews wrote at great length about how inferior the old system of Temple worship was, where Israel had to keep offering sacrifices year after year, and how Christ’s sacrifice now is far superior because He offered it once and it was complete.
It does not have to be reapplied year after year, sin after sin. Instead, we are perfected by His one sacrifice, once and for all.
The door of forgiveness is open until Jesus returns .... and that is yet in the future.
Jesus died for us “once for all.”
If only past sins are forgiven, then we would have to keep reapplying the blood of Jesus every time we sin. The writer of Hebrews wrote at great length about how inferior the old system of Temple worship was, where Israel had to keep offering sacrifices year after year, and how Christ’s sacrifice now is far superior because He offered it once and it was complete.
It does not have to be reapplied year after year, sin after sin. Instead, we are perfected by His one sacrifice, once and for all.
So then you are a Universalist? Everyone is forgiven by Christ’s one time sacrifice? Surely not. So what distinguishes us between the unbeliever who is unforgiven and not saved? It’s faith. Faith is the way we can access God’s grace or Christ’s sacrifice and resurrection. But this is not just any kind of faith. It’s a very specific kind of faith described in the Holy Bible.
Check out this CF thread to learn more.
The Two Sides of the Coin of Faith
Also, have you ever read 1 John 1:7 lately?
How about Hebrews 10:26?
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