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I'm a new Christian, and I dont really know too much. I also smoke weed pretty often. I get into pretty heated arguements with people about it, and I've noticed many people simply type/say "sinner!" "your going to hell" and "repent!", without really backing it up.

Anyway, is it really such a horrible thing? Is it even a sin? And why are some Christians so hostile about it? Do they think stoners can't love Christ?
 

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Last time I checked, we were all sinners.

I have a lot of experience smoking dope, much more than anyone would ever want to have. Suffice it to say that even though it feels good and seems harmless enough, the spiritual effects of drug use are devestating. You owe it to yourself to stop.

I do believe that drug use is sinful, but my thoughts on why aren't very well formed.
 
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You have to ask yourself, "Does it glorify Christ?" If the answer is no, then don't do it. I feel that smoking anything is harmful to your health, and it is important to keep your body and your mind healthy. If you are doing something that is addictive then you are not putting God's Spirit in control, it is the drugs that are controlling you.
 
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An interesting question you bring up there mate... :scratch:

The drugs that are in existence today either did not exist or were not common in Bible times. As a result, the Bible does not address drug use. The Bible does tell us to avoid anything that is harmful to our bodies (1 Corinthians 6:20) and to not get involved with anything that is addictive (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19).

IMHO... Drugs fail both of these tests... However many would argue that smoking a little weed does NOT harm our bodies and is NOT addictive...

That's a debate I have no wish to enter into myself...

HOWEVER....

...the Bible also tells us to obey the laws of the country we live in (Romans 13:1-4).

Smoking weed (and other drugs) are illegal and therefore we should stay away from them for that reason alone, even if they were not also addicting and harmful to our health...

That said, unfortuneately there are those who will happily point the finger at another for smoking, drinking, drug use, etc or any of a myriad of 'outward' sins but are totally blind to their own sins of self-righteousness and pride...

As someone said earlier in the thread we are ALL sinners and ALL sin - even the secret hidden ones like self-righteousness, etc - is against God...

I would suggest that you check out the passages I've mentioned and go away and pray about it... and ask God what HE would have you do in light of Scripture...
 
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Beleg said:
I'm a new Christian, and I dont really know too much. I also smoke weed pretty often. I get into pretty heated arguements with people about it, and I've noticed many people simply type/say "sinner!" "your going to hell" and "repent!", without really backing it up.

Anyway, is it really such a horrible thing? Is it even a sin? And why are some Christians so hostile about it? Do they think stoners can't love Christ?

The Bible says we are a temple and don't belong to ourselves, but God. Harming your body, which belongs to God, doesn't help your witness nor does it help you in growin in God. So...it isn't pleasing to God. Thus, it isn't exactly the best option....
 
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Beleg said:
I'm a new Christian, and I dont really know too much. I also smoke weed pretty often. I get into pretty heated arguements with people about it, and I've noticed many people simply type/say "sinner!" "your going to hell" and "repent!", without really backing it up.

Anyway, is it really such a horrible thing? Is it even a sin? And why are some Christians so hostile about it? Do they think stoners can't love Christ?

MY DEAR BROTHER IN CHRIST,

As one who has smoked weed for most of his life, i know first-hand the evils that result. It is perhaps not for me to label cannabis usage a "sin"--but at best i know that it is an extremely dangerous thing for a Christian to indulge in because, as you are, i'm sure, aware, when you are high your mind is open to all types of distorted inputs--an openness which Satan uses to his advantage, masquarading as an "angel of light" and leading those UNDER THE INFLUENCE of marijuana away from God and off into the darkness. It is my belief that drug usage is the first thing a person must give up in order to surrender to God and begin living a life guided by the Holy Spirit, BECAUSE IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A DRUG AND UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AT THE SAME TIME!
Anyway, i don't want to clutter up this Forum with drug-related arguments, so below is a link to a site where this issue has been debated at some length over the last few months. There is perhaps a lot of bad stuff on the Thread--note especially the attitudes, lack of love, and hostility evidenced by those who characterize themselves as regular smokers--but i think perhaps it is worth your checking out anyway.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2388465

MAY YOU BE BLESSED AND ALLOW OUR LORD TO GUIDE YOU ARIGHT IN DEALING WITH THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE.

MUCH LOVE IN CHRIST,
ephraim
 
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the devil atacks even when we are on full alert with a clear mind. why do battle with a clouded mind, would seem to be an unneeded risk. if you were in war and you had people shooting at you would you want to be high or would you want to be alert and able to defend yourself. You are in a war never forget that. a war between good and evil and you will need a clear mind.
 
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the devil atacks even when we are on full alert with a clear mind. why do battle with a clouded mind, would seem to be an unneeded risk. if you were in war and you had people shooting at you would you want to be high or would you want to be alert and able to defend yourself. You are in a war never forget that. a war between good and evil and you will need a clear mind.

MY DEAR BROTHER IN CHRIST,

:clap:AMEN!!:clap:

to what you have written. This is the whole crux of the matter of whether or not a Christian should use weed or other drugs. Thank you for explaining it so clearly!

LOVE IN CHRIST,
ephraim
 
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One thing I'm not going to say immediately is you must stop this addiction right now as it makes you a sinner. When we become Christians the Lord wants us whole, he can only work within us if we follow his ways, but when we are not whole with him, like being intoxicated or stoned, it is obvious the Devil has led us to temptation. If you really want to stop what your doing and want to follow the Lord properly, then decisions have to be made.

Have you ever heard someome Christian say or even read yourself about the Temple being your body, this has as much as possible be your aim for God to work through you. Once making this decision you will find he will help you deal with it. Try reading 1 Corinthians 6 particularly v20 and it talks about keeping the temple (body) clean.

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"Be not drunk with wine." It's the drunkeness that's the sin, not the drinking of wine. Jesus was sinless and he drank wine. So, anything that gets you high is a sin.... Smoking weed has only one purpose, to get high. You do the math.

Now, sinner? Yup, join the club, but the Bible also says we should not continue in sin because that tests God, which, by the way, is a no-no. Therefore, try to not sin, rely on Jesus and quit smoking dope! (I did.)
 
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Brother, I know someone who feels the same as you. What I would ask you is why are you smoking it? Is it to become numb? Is it because you're addicted? Is it because your friends do it? If it's the latter I pray you separate yourself from those people and find supportive friends in the body of Christ. If it's the 2nd, I pray you seek help. If it's the former, I pray you put Christ in place of the drug and rely on Him to help you through any of life's problems. We all struggle, and to have faith in Christ isn't just to say we believe he died for our sins but also to say we believe in him for everything that we have and will have. This is something everyone struggles with but we must do. I say these words in encouragement and with love, there should be no condemnation nor judgement from your bretheren.
 
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Once we accepted Jesus as our Lord, it is by grace we are saved. We did not do anything to earn this.
Now as far as smoking weed, I think it would be good if you asked yourself why you do it. Smoking weed, drinking, etc. can and usually is addicitive.

Jesus died on the cross for yours and my sins, also so we can be whole persons free to live for Him, and not live according to the way we used to be and how we thought of ourselves.Our identity is now in Christ, and it takes time to put off old ways and put on new ones. But we can do it!:)

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come."

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1. One thing it alters your thinking. Long ago, marijuana was used in shamanistic rituals in India, China, and Assyria. An ancient Chinese writing, the Pen Tsao Ching (100 AD) noted that "If taken over a long term, it [marijuana] makes one communicate with spirits.Also, the word talks about taking care of our temple.

2. One, it is against the law to smoke it and so we are suppose to follow the laws of the land or we are in rebellion.

3. The drugs used in sorcery are "mind-altering" -- they change a person's beliefs, personality and thinking. The change is long lasting and often permanent. In this respect, alcohol is different from marijuana.

4. It changes your personality. It causes people who smoke it to get in fights much easier or be harder to get along with. You mentioned that you get into arguements a lot. Could it be the use of marijuana causing you to do this? I know when I did marijuana over 20 years ago, I was harder to get along with. I didn't seem to care about anything. I could tell I was different and did not like it at all. I got saved and gave it up.


The question to you is why do you need to smoke marijuana? If you find that it relaxes you then you are going to the lessor instead of the greater, jesus. jesus wants us to go to him for all things.
 
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Beleg said:
Anyway, is it really such a horrible thing? Is it even a sin? And why are some Christians so hostile about it? Do they think stoners can't love Christ?

Well, the bible never mentions marijuana, but it does mention another drug that has an effect on the brain, alcohol.

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

It warns against alcohol taking control of one's life.

Pro 23:29 Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife? Who has complaining? Who has wounds without cause? Who has redness of eyes?
Pro 23:30 Those who tarry long over wine; those who go to try mixed wine.
Pro 23:31 Do not look at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup and goes down smoothly.
Pro 23:32 In the end it bites like a serpent and stings like an adder.
Pro 23:33 Your eyes will see strange things, and your heart utter perverse things.
Pro 23:34 You will be like one who lies down in the midst of the sea, like one who lies on the top of a mast.
Pro 23:35 "They struck me," you will say, "but I was not hurt; they beat me, but I did not feel it. When shall I awake? I must have another drink."

Pro 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, or for rulers to take strong drink,
Pro 31:5 lest they drink and forget what has been decreed and pervert the rights of all the afflicted.
Pro 31:6 Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress;
Pro 31:7 let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.

And I'm not especially knowledgeable about marijuana, but from what I know of it, it bombs you out, like getting drunk.

1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Food for thought.
 
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3. The drugs used in sorcery are "mind-altering" -- they change a person's beliefs, personality and thinking. The change is long lasting and often permanent. In this respect, alcohol is different from marijuana.

That's another point. The "sorcerers" mentioned In Rev are druggists, according to the Greek resources I have.

Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

I'll make a post of some stuff I researched quite a while ago on this subject.
 
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This is really long. Read it only if you're really interested in this.

From the New World
The most revealing accounts of drug use by savages, as they were long described by men accounting themselves civilised, are in the chronicles of the followers of Columbus, reporting what they saw and heard in the Caribbean islands, and later in North and South America. They found a great variety of plant drugs in use there: cohoba, coca, peyotl, certain species of mushroom, datura (jimsonweed), ololiuqui (morning glory), caapi, and others—tobacco being the commonest. None of these plants was known in Europe at the time; nor was any drug in use there for the purpose for which they were most widely taken in the New World, to generate energy. The only drug then in common use in Europe was alcohol; and wine or beer were ordinarily taken mainly for refreshment. The American Indians, the chroniclers reported, chewed tobacco or coca leaves as a substitute for refreshment—to give themselves a psychological 'lift', as if into a mild form of trance. This, they claimed, enabled them to work long hours, or travel long distances, or fight protracted battles, without the need for food, drink, or sleep.
Drugs were also taken in America as alcohol was in Europe, for intoxication—but again, with a difference. As Girolamo Benzoni reported in one of the early published accounts of life there, an Indian would settle down to fill himself up with tobacco smoke until to outward appearances he was hopelessly drunk. But he was putting himself out of his mind with a purpose; for 'on returning to his senses, he told a thousand stories of his having been at the council of the gods, and other high visions'; and such stories were taken very seriously by the tribe.
Although the same drug might be taken both for everyday working purposes and for intoxication, it would as a rule be used as an intoxicant only by—or with the supervision of—a medicine man, qualified by character and training to interpret what was seen or heard. The visions, the Indians believed, were glimpses of a world on a different plane of reality, but just as real; inhabited by spirits who had access to useful sources of knowledge. In particular, they would reveal what was in store for the tribe, or individual members of it. The process was described by the chronicler Gonzalvo Fernando d'Oviedo y Valdez. The Indians of Hispaniola, he wrote,
had secret means of putting themselves in touch with spirits whenever they wished to predict the future. This is how they set about the matter. When a chief called one of those priests of the desert, this man came with two of his disciples, one of whom bore a vase filled with some mysterious drink, and the other a little silver bell. When he arrived, the priest sat himself down between the two disciples on a small round seat in presence of the chief and some of his suite. He drank the liquor which had been brought, and then began his conjurations, calling aloud on the spirits; and then, highly agitated and furious, he was shaken by the most violent movements . . . He then seemed to be plunged into a kind of ecstasy and to be suffering curious pains. During all this time one of the disciples rang the little bell. When the priest had calmed down, and while he lay senseless on the ground, the chief, or some other, asked what they desired to know, and the spirit replied through the mouth of the inspired man in a manner perfectly exact.

The Spanish chroniclers did not doubt the accuracy of the information collected. They were quite prepared to believe that the drugs induced visions, and that in them, the future could be foretold. But the whole process—the convulsions, the strange voices—was reminiscent of what they knew, and feared, as diabolic possession. Such visions, they were aware, might come from God; but it was unthinkable that God should have provided such a valuable service for the heathen. The only possible explanation was that, as the Dominican Diego Duran put it, 'the devil must be speaking to them in that drunken state'. As it was not considered safe to investigate the devil's handiwork, for fear of falling into his clutches—or, later, the Inquisition's—the opportunity to investigate drug-induced divination was not grasped.


The possessed
It was only when young anthropologists began to undertake intensive field work, which involved staying long enough with a tribe to win its trust and to understand its customs, that drug-induced divination began to be taken a little more seriously. One of these field workers was destined to be influential: Edward Evans-Pritchard, subsequently Professor of Social Anthropology at Oxford University. When he went out to the Sudan in the 1920s to study the Azande, he watched the witch doctors at work; and from his observations, he drew a revealing picture of the process, and the part drugs played in it.
A predecessor there, Monsignor Lagae, had described how the witch doctor's object was to reach a state where the drug he had taken 'glows (brille) through his body, and through it he begins to see witchcraft clearly'. This, Evans-Pritchard found, was an accurate description. The 'medicine', as they thought of it—not so much the drug itself, when one was used, but its effect—'goes to their stomachs, and dancing shakes it up and sends it all over their bodies, where it becomes an active agent, enabling them to prophesy'. The prophecies were not necessarily verbalised; the witch doctor 'does not only divine with his lips, but with his whole body. He dances the questions that are put to him.' EvansPritchard's houseboy, who himself qualified as a witch doctor, described the process. While he was dancing, he had to await the verdict of the drugs. 'When the medicines take hold of him, a man begins to dance with reference to someone. He dances in vain, and goes in the soul of the medicine and arrives at another man. He sees him and his heart cools about that man. The witch doctor says to himself: that man does not bewitch people.' But eventually 'his heart shakes about him' and he knows that the man in front of him IS a witch. Even if the witch should be from his own family, the medicine will stand alert within him', compelling him to reveal the truth.


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The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Substances
by Richard Rudgley
Little, Brown and Company (1998)

The Indo-Iranians were an ancient people who had their homeland somewhere in Central Asia. About 4,000 years ago they split into two distinct groups. One group, the Indo-Aryans, moved south to the Indus Valley; the other became the ancient Iranian peoples. Both preserved a vast body of religious oral literature which was only later written down. These scriptures are the Rig Veda and the Avesta, of the Indians and Iranians respectively. Both works describe rituals in which a plant with hallucinogenic properties was consumed. The plant was called soma by the Indians and haoma by the Iranians. Although some of the descendants of these peoples still perform their rituals, the identity of the sacred entheogenic plant has been lost and non-psychoactive substitutes are now used in place of the mysterious soma/haoma. In addition to the various non-psychoactive plants that have been used as soma substituted in both the Zoroastrian and Hindu traditions, a great number of candidates for soma have been put forward by Western investigators over the last two hundred years. Among the suggestions of more or less convincing candidates have been cannabis, Ephedra, a fermented alcoholic drink, Syrian rue, rhubarb, ginseng, opium and wild chicory.

However, just as Syrian rue seemed to be taking the place of the fly-agaric mushroom as the most likely candidate for soma, archaeological evidence emerged from Russian excavations in the Kara Kum desert of Turkmenistan that set the cat once more among the pigeons. In this area, known to the ancients as Margiana, the Russians uncovered a number of sites of monumental architecture dating from the second millennium BC. One of these sites, Gonur South, consists of a fortified complex of buildings, a number of private dwellings and a fort. Within this complex there is also a large shrine (known to have been used as a sacred fire temple) consisting of two parts: one clearly used for public worship and the other, hidden from the gaze of the multitude, an inner sanctum of the priesthood. In one of these private rooms were found three ceramic bowls. Analysis of samples found in these vessels by Professor Mayer-Melikyan revealed the traces of both cannabis and Ephedra. Clearly both these psychoactive substances had been used in conjunction in the making of hallucinogenic drinks. In the adjoining room of the same inner sanctum were found ten ceramic pot-stands which appear to have been used in conjunction with strainers designed to separate the juices from the twigs, stems and leaves of the plants. In another room at the other end of the shrine a basin containing remains of a considerable quantity of cannabis was discovered, as well as a number of pottery stands and strainers that have also been associated with making psychoactive beverages.
 
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Beleg said:
Anyway, is it really such a horrible thing? Is it even a sin?
I don't think it is really such a horrible thing, when taken in moderation and not every day. If all you do is inhale on a Saturday or so, I see it as less harmful as alcohol in my book. However, let's say you live in the United States where it is illegal, now it becomes a sin and is a horrible thing. Romans 13 says to obey the government and it's laws that God has put in charge of us. Essentially, to break it's laws is to break God's laws.

And why are some Christians so hostile about it? Do they think stoners can't love Christ?
Some Christians are just very hostile people when it comes to sin. They see the only way to combat it is to yell slanders at it and run away, which doesn't solve the problem, but makes them feel better about their sins. The truth is we all have sinned, and we must flee from sin.

People who smoke marijuana can love Christ the same way anyone else can love Christ. We are all sinners, we are all humble in His presence.

So, is it some extremely horrible thing, nope, but that fact that it is against the law makes it a sin. The best thing to do is ask for forgiveness and stop.

Regards and God bless,
Kyle
 
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You have to ask yourself, "Does it glorify Christ?" If the answer is no, then don't do it. I feel that smoking anything is harmful to your health, and it is important to keep your body and your mind healthy. If you are doing something that is addictive then you are not putting God's Spirit in control, it is the drugs that are controlling you.

I'm agreeing with her on this one.
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We can ask ourselves all day, "What's wrong with it?" But a better question would be "What's right with it?" This is all I can add to what has already been said here, as what has been said here is the truth. I don't want to stand in judgment of you, my new brother, nor do I have the right. But the guideline of asking "Does it glorify God?" rather than "What's the harm in it?" is a good test for any practice.
 
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I'm a new Christian, and I dont really know too much. I also smoke weed pretty often. I get into pretty heated arguements with people about it, and I've noticed many people simply type/say "sinner!" "your going to hell" and "repent!", without really backing it up.

Anyway, is it really such a horrible thing? Is it even a sin? And why are some Christians so hostile about it? Do they think stoners can't love Christ?



It's not a good action for every christian morality,
one would have always to be on tap of his family,
his brothers, his friends and his society..........

Pray the Saints who give God all their life!..........


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