SIN IS STILL SIN

[topher694]

"Ye offspring of vipers"

Is hardly a pat on the back.

Yet he still continually pointed to the Kingdom of Heaven and Jesus. He offered a way out (Repent and baptism)

 

[Robban]

Yet he still continually pointed to the Kingdom of Heaven and Jesus. He offered a way out (Repent and baptism)

Repent, do repentence is to return,

to return to the source, get connected with the source.

We all need to repent, get connected.

Just like the internet you have to be connected.

Otherwise, no contact.

 

[Robban]

Weird how Jesus isn't depicted with much consistency even between supposedly the more similar thematic gospels (though I'll admit I only know bits and pieces of the themes each has). It's almost like having multiple gospels might've further complicated the message, even assuming he's consistent in each individual gospel (I'm skeptical on that)

Like coming to a cinema halfway through the film
and trying to fill in what you have missed.

Is how it appears to me.

 

[topher694]

Repent, do repentence is to return,

to return to the source, get connected with the source.

We all need to repent, get connected.

Just like the internet you have to be connected.

Otherwise, no contact.

I fail to see your point

 

[Robban]

I fail to see your point

Well, it is 3:30 here so I will go get some rest.

 

[muichimotsu]

Like coming to a cinema halfway through the film
and trying to fill in what you have missed.

Is how it appears to me.

Or more like you had 4 different people write the same movie and expect people to get the same message even if they changed various aspects of the overall story

 

[muichimotsu]

Well since I know of several people that would not be alive today otherwise, including myself, I'm confident in my answer.

That's appealing to your anecdotal experiences, that's not indicative of the truth of the overall claim in any falsifiable manner.

 

[muichimotsu]

I fail to see your point

Making an absolute claim like Jesus did without really substantiating it beyond signs that are then treated as optional to prove the veracity of his claims later on is the problem here. It's not as if Jews and Christians and Muslims don't all seek after the same God in essence, even if they differ in accident as to the doctrinal distinctions

 

[Robban]

I fail to see your point

A sucsessful repentence is done with remorse and
yearning to not repeat,

It returns the soul to the pure state it was in on coming into this world, a clean slate.

it also involves making amends with if any someone who you have something unsettled with.

Ezekiel 18:31-32.
v 30 ...........return ye...........

Or why not the whole chapter,

it has healing under its wings.

 

[topher694]

That's appealing to your anecdotal experiences, that's not indicative of the truth of the overall claim in any falsifiable manner.

Dude just knock it off. You asked me a question about my ministry. The question was me and the "help I offer"... I answered it. But that's not good enough for you. Here we are 3 posts later and you just persisting and persisting and doing it in a way that could be considered insulting. You don't have to agree, but there's no need for this. This is exactly as I said. You aren't looking for insight only turn anything you can into argument.

I don't consider peoples lives placebos.

Additionally there is nothing you have said that is indicative of the truth of your overall claim in any falsifiable manner either... even less so. You pose a "is it possible" question then turn around demand a verifiable answer? That's not now it works.

 

[topher694]

Making an absolute claim like Jesus did without really substantiating it beyond signs that are then treated as optional to prove the veracity of his claims later on is the problem here. It's not as if Jews and Christians and Muslims don't all seek after the same God in essence, even if they differ in accident as to the doctrinal distinctions

Ok, this has officially jumped the shark... You are just responding to random posts with completely unrelated personal talking points... bye bye

 

[topher694]

A sucsessful repentence is done with remorse and
yearning to not repeat,

It returns the soul to the pure state it was in on coming into this world, a clean slate.

it also involves making amends with if any someone who you have something unsettled with.

Ezekiel 18:31-32.
v 30 ...........return ye...........

Or why not the whole chapter,

it has healing under its wings.

I understand repentance and the scriptures just fine. What I fail to see is how you are connecting them to my post that you originally responded to (182)

 

[muichimotsu]

Dude just knock it off. You asked me a question about my ministry. The question was me and the "help I offer"... I answered it. But that's not good enough for you. Here we are 3 posts later and you just persisting and persisting and doing it in a way that could be considered insulting. You don't have to agree, but there's no need for this. This is exactly as I said. You aren't looking for insight only turn anything you can into argument.

I don't consider peoples lives placebos.

Additionally there is nothing you have said that is indicative of the truth of your overall claim in any falsifiable manner either... even less so. You pose a "is it possible" question then turn around demand a verifiable answer? That's not now it works.

Never said people's lives were placebos, you're exaggerating the scale of what I spoke of: the analogy is more that people's lives are experiments and your solution to a problem is a placebo, not something intended to be tested for reliability in a falsifiable sense

I'm asking you to be intellectually honest and consider that your deeply held beliefs could be wrong. If your beliefs, by demonstration, aren't falsifiable, then it seems you'd have to admit that either your standards are irrational or that you place more primacy on faith as a standard for this one context

My tone is one thing, but to think one cannot learn from engagement based merely on that is oversimplifying

 

[topher694]

Never said people's lives were placebos, you're exaggerating the scale of what I spoke of: the analogy is more that people's lives are experiments and your solution to a problem is a placebo, not something intended to be tested for reliability in a falsifiable sense

I'm asking you to be intellectually honest and consider that your deeply held beliefs could be wrong. If your beliefs, by demonstration, aren't falsifiable, then it seems you'd have to admit that either your standards are irrational or that you place more primacy on faith as a standard for this one context

My tone is one thing, but to think one cannot learn from engagement based merely on that is oversimplifying

Unread... Bye bye

 

[Strathos]

So you don't think homosexuality is a sin?

Technically, homosexuality (having a homosexual orientation) is not a sin. Homosexual behavior is, though.

 

[muichimotsu]

Technically, homosexuality (having a homosexual orientation) is not a sin. Homosexual behavior is, though.

But would you not technically admit there is overlap between what is homosexual behavior in particular contexts and what can be done by heterosexuals as well? You'd probably want to be pretty specific in regards to the behaviors, since some can be done by a man and a woman as easily as a man and a man can. Some could even overlap with woman/woman if we're being fair

 

[Freodin]

But would you not technically admit there is overlap between what is homosexual behavior in particular contexts and what can be done by heterosexuals as well? You'd probably want to be pretty specific in regards to the behaviors, since some can be done by a man and a woman as easily as a man and a man can. Some could even overlap with woman/woman if we're being fair

You're trying to use a rational approach to an irrational topic.
"Sin" is whatever a certain religion/faith/worldview says it is. It may be rationalized, but it doesn't need to be rational to start with.

 

[muichimotsu]

You're trying to use a rational approach to an irrational topic.
"Sin" is whatever a certain religion/faith/worldview says it is. It may be rationalized, but it doesn't need to be rational to start with.

Internal consistency, the easiest thing Christians and such can appeal to, even if they could be shown that it doesn't balance with their standards on other things outside of it

 

[Robban]

I understand repentance and the scriptures just fine. What I fail to see is how you are connecting them to my post that you originally responded to (182)

Top of the morning to you topher,
no doubt you understand repentence.

But you brought up John the baptist,

I pointed to how he rebuked the religious.
In a sense skidder was rebuking the religious.

The clergy who wed together two of the same gender.

Could well be, he posted in the wrong subsection.

But heh, the sun rose this morning.

 

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