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Simulation Theory.

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"A popular argument for the simulation hypothesis came from University of Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrum in 2003 when he suggested that members of an advanced civilization with enormous computing power might decide to run simulations of their ancestors. They would probably have the ability to run many, many such simulations, to the point where the vast majority of minds would actually be artificial ones within such simulations, rather than the original ancestral minds. So simple statistics suggest it is much more likely that we are among the simulated minds.

And there are other reasons to think we might be virtual. For instance, the more we learn about the universe, the more it appears to be based on mathematical laws. Perhaps that is not a given, but a function of the nature of the universe we are living in. “If I were a character in a computer game, I would also discover eventually that the rules seemed completely rigid and mathematical,” said Max Tegmark, a cosmologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). “That just reflects the computer code in which it was written.”

Furthermore, ideas from information theory keep showing up in physics. “In my research, I found this very strange thing,” said James Gates, a theoretical physicist at the University of Maryland. “I was driven to error-correcting codes—they’re what make browsers work. So why were they in the equations I was studying about quarks and electrons and supersymmetry? This brought me to the stark realization that I could no longer say people like Max are crazy."


"If it turns out we really are living in a version of “The Matrix,” though—so what? “Maybe we’re in a simulation, maybe we’re not, but if we are, hey, it’s not so bad,” Chalmers said.

“My advice is to go out and do really interesting things,” Tegmark said, “so the simulators don’t shut you down.”

But some were more contemplative, saying the possibility raises some weighty spiritual questions. “If the simulation hypothesis is valid then we open the door to eternal life and resurrection and things that formally have been discussed in the realm of religion,” Gates suggested. “The reason is quite simple: If we’re programs in the computer, then as long as I have a computer that’s not damaged, I can always re-run the program.”

And if someone somewhere created our simulation, would that make this entity God? “We in this universe can create simulated worlds and there’s nothing remotely spooky about that,” Chalmers said. “Our creator isn’t especially spooky, it’s just some teenage hacker in the next universe up.” Turn the tables, and we are essentially gods over our own computer creations. “We don’t think of ourselves as deities when we program Mario, even though we have power over how high Mario jumps,” Tyson said. “There’s no reason to think they’re all-powerful just because they control everything we do.” And a simulated universe introduces another disturbing possibility. “What happens,” Tyson said, “if there’s a bug that crashes the entire program?” - Are We Living in a Computer Simulation?


also here is a nice little song by Avenged Sevenfold touching on that





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Did I read your OP wrong?

Doesn't this Simulation Theory have any explanatory powers?

Was Thalidomide just a virus?
it was simply talking about how some scientists in quantum physics and other fields give the theory some Creedence due to the mathematical and almost computer-like aspects of the universe.
 
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And if someone somewhere created our simulation, would that make this entity God? “We in this universe can create simulated worlds and there’s nothing remotely spooky about that,” Chalmers said. “Our creator isn’t especially spooky, it’s just some teenage hacker in the next universe up.”
I've no doubt that reality could be said to be a kind of simulation, but the hacker has to be God. If you say it's a teenager in the next universe up it just begs the question of who programmed that universe, and then who programmed that programmer, and so on and so on with infinite regress.
 
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I've no doubt that reality could be said to be a kind of simulation, but the hacker has to be God. If you say it's a teenager in the next universe up it just begs the question of who programmed that universe, and then who programmed that programmer, and so on and so on with infinite regress.
see that's the real irony and paradox of it. even if ours is the simulation one of them has to be real and has to be the original and the first. in which case how did it come into being. but if ours is the simulation we might be able to hack it or something else. it opens the door to a lot of things.
 
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it was simply talking about how some scientists in quantum physics and other fields give the theory some Creedence due to the mathematical and almost computer-like aspects of the universe.
I don't think these scientists thought this through very well, did they?

But ... after all ... they're scientists.

That's how [most think] we got Thalidomide, isn't it?
 
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I don't think these scientists thought this through very well, did they?

But ... after all ... they're scientists.

That's how [some think] we got Thalidomide, isn't it?

granted. but then again even if our universe was started from nothing another universe identical to this one could have a God. it does not mean that the simulation theory holds any less credence or the big bang. it's simply a matter of perspective. and we should only focus on one problem at a time.
 
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see that's the real irony and paradox of it. even if ours is the simulation one of them has to be real and has to be the original and the first. in which case how did it come into being. but if ours is the simulation we might be able to hack it or something else. it opens the door to a lot of things.
Seems like it's going to be very tough to hack. With quantum physics, it looks a lot like science is playing checkers and God is playing chess. :)
 
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see that's the real irony and paradox of it. even if ours is the simulation one of them has to be real and has to be the original and the first. in which case how did it come into being. but if ours is the simulation we might be able to hack it or something else. it opens the door to a lot of things.
Again ... I have to ask ... and it's a very good question:

Who programmed some of these atrocities we've experienced?

Do these scientists you're talking about think Columbine was an app?
 
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granted. but then again even if our universe was started from nothing another universe identical to this one could have a God. it does not mean that the simulation theory holds any less credence or the big bang. it's simply a matter of perspective. and we should only focus on one problem at a time.
Then let these scientists come forth and explain to our scientists not to waste their time trying to figure out the Titanic or Deepwater Horizon or whatever.

Let them explain that it is just a virus, or an app, or someone's sick simulation.

But they won't, will they?

They'll tell us our flowers bloom, and our trees give fruit, and the sun shines and all this other nice stuff ... but let something happen like the Hindenburg, and you won't see them pushing some matrix on us, will you?

Was WW2 Germany a test run for Civilization V?
 
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Again ... I have to ask ... and it's a very good question:

Who programmed some of these atrocities we've experienced?

Do these scientists you're talking about think Columbine was an app?

atrocities? well it depends on the simulation. one argument is our ancestors may want to run a realistic simulation of the past. in which case these atrocities already occurred and we are just living through them like replaying a video game.
 
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Then let these scientists come forth and explain to our scientists not to waste their time trying to figure out the Titanic or Deepwater Horizon or whatever.

Let them explain that it is just a virus, or an app, or someone's sick simulation.

But they won't, will they?

They'll tell us our flowers bloom, and our trees give fruit, and the sun shines and all this other nice stuff ... but let something happen like the Hindenburg, and you won't see them pushing some matrix on us, will you?

Was WW2 Germany a test run for Civilization V?


another would have you ever played a game of sims? when we get ahold of simulations called video games we almost always go Godlike and destroy [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for no other purpose than our entertainment. its possible this simulation is just one of entertainment and those in the universe up look at us nothing more than we do sim characters
 
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atrocities? well it depends on the simulation. one argument is our ancestors may want to run a realistic simulation of the past. in which case these atrocities already occurred and we are just living through them like replaying a video game.
I'm afraid then your scientists are a little short on theology.

We call that Last Thursdayism.

So we're already miles ahead of your programmers.
 
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another would have you ever played a game of sims?
I'm sorry ... would you reword this please?
Zed Aliz Zed said:
when we get ahold of simulations called video games we almost always go Godlike and destroy [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for no other purpose than our entertainment.
You call that "Godlike"?

Certainly your scientists don't have Jesus Christ in mind, do they?

Well ... on second thought ... they're scientists.

Nevermind.
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its possible this simulation is just one of entertainment and those in the universe up look at us nothing more than we do sim characters
Are you consol?
 
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I'm afraid then your scientists are a little short on theology.

We call that Last Thursdayism.

So we're already miles ahead of your programmers.


Last Thursday only touches on how time could be different compared to outside the universe. simulation theory touches on the theoretical notion of higher life could create advanced simulations the mathematical probability we are one is greater than us not being one. and if we are one it begs a question why would our descendants wish to run one.
 
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I'm sorry ... would you reword this please?

You call that "Godlike"?

Certainly your scientists don't have Jesus Christ in mind, do they?

Well ... on second thought ... they're scientists.

Nevermind.

Are you consol?

well, how would it not be Godlike? your God only created the universe and in turn, humanity to have someone to love and worship him. some decendent species running simulations for their entertainment or data collection seems far more logical and far less of an ethical issue than a supreme being creating humans and flooding them when he dislikes what they do with free will. that itself sounds like a child on a iPad a universe up
 
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I'm sorry ... would you reword this please?

You call that "Godlike"?

Certainly your scientists don't have Jesus Christ in mind, do they?

Well ... on second thought ... they're scientists.

Nevermind.

Are you consol?

the only issue with the theory is why would a being/beings far more advanced than us wish to run simulations on the past? or around humans in general. it suffers the same illogical nature of Abrahamic faith. why would a being. so far above us. that we would look like germs in comparison. take so much interest in one pathetic species. when there is mathematically due to probability. billions of others.
 
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Last Thursday only touches on how time could be different compared to outside the universe.
So does the Bible ... and it's nothing like what your scientists think it is.
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simulation theory touches on the theoretical notion of higher life could create advanced simulations
While I like the idea that our scientists are some kind of "advanced simulation" running under someone's sick perverted idea of what life is all about, I have to subordinate my thinking to what the Bible says.

And the Bible gives them much more credit than Simulation theory does.
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the mathematical probability we are one is greater than us not being one. and if we are one it begs a question why would our descendants wish to run one.
We are not one.

We are three-in-one.

Body, soul, and spirit.
 
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