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The phraseology does not tell us the flood was global because the same phraseology is used in scripture to describe local phenomena.

The problem is you are taking scriptural terminology and interpreting from your 21st century view point. We need to try to understand how those phrases were used, and what they meant, when they were written. That is why I have been giving you the examples of their use elsewhere in scripture.

Giving examples of use in other parts of the Bible is fine. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is concluding that because the same word is used to indicate a local event means unequivically that it has to be a local event in the flood event. Here is the reason it's not a good thing to do. In the context of the flood narrative we see God saying that the end of all flesh was before Him. Do you see Him saying anything about not destroying part of creation or part of the earth being spared someplace else for this event? Nope, not at all.

Jesus Christ said that as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of man be Matt 24:37-39. The second coming is going to be a catastrophe of global proportions just like the flood was. At this time all mankind will be destroyed just like they were during the flood. There will be no survivers of the second coming of Christ who are not taken up with HIm in the clouds.

Read one of these article to see what will happen at the second advent of Christ:

http://www.amazingfacts.org/Home/SearchResults/tabid/133/Default.aspx?xsq=second+coming

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Here's some neat stuff to look at for the global flood"
http://www.globalflood.org/

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In my little time I look through the site, I discovered that the people who made it (a.) Have no clue how we came up with the age of the Earth <Hint: we don't use Carbon dating>, (b.) post articles by "scientists" who are in fields completely unrelated to their work they actually do (Why is an engineer talking about dating?) (c.) all their technical articles come from the exact same source.

Don't mind me if I am skeptical at best about that website.
 
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I accept that correction to a point. To say the Bible is, at best, secondary source WRT physical reality would have been more to the point.

However, with some presumption about the nature of moral law and that we are made in God's image, I'd suggest that these basics -- understanding of justice, love, mercy, social relationships -- inform us about God and give us a basis for understanding the Bible.

However, as for falling into traps, well PM me if you like.
I agree with your correction here. As usual, my "issue" with you turns out to be really just a pedantic quibble. =)
 
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What is really sad is rationalizing away the clear word of the Bible.
By rationalizing away the clear word, you mean showing how a beloved traditional interpretation is not supported by the the actual text?

Trying to make it say something it does not say. Do we find anything that says animals survived the flood or that in such and such region of the earth that animals or man survived? No, not at all. The Bible clearly says that the end of all life was extinguished during this event. "Everything that had breath means EVERYTHING THAT HAD BREATH not everything that had breath in a certain part of the world.
And Jesus said the fire from heaven destroyed them all. All means all right? All does not mean some and some survived does it? Did Jesus say there were other regions where men and animals did not get consumed? No he didn't. He did not have to. It is as much a fallacy to read the entire human race into Jesus statement that the fire destroyed them all, as it is to read it into 'the everything that had breath' in Genesis. It tells us of the totality of destruction there, not how wide the area.

The Bible says that all of the earth was full of violence and all of man's thoughts were evil.
Remember what I said about erets usually meaning a land or region? Gen 6:5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the land [erets], and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. It is the people in the land whose thought were evil continually. It doesn't say anything about people in other lands.

God repented that He made man at all. The only one that was found faithful was Noah and his family.
It is actually a really strange passage, I don't know of any creationists who actually take it literally. It refers back to the creation in the beginning of Genesis and uses the language of God creating Adam. God repented that he created Adam and said he was going to blot out Adam in a flood. Gen 6:6 And the LORD was sorry that he had made [asah Gen 1:26] Adam (or the man) on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the LORD said, "I will blot out Adam (or the man) whom I have created [bara Gen 1:27] from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them." According to any literalist chronology Adam was long dead at the time. Gen 6 is actually taking the creation account and using its language figuratively to describe the the destruction of the people in the land.

The Zephaniah does the same thing with the flood flood account, using it to to describe the destruction of Judah
Zeph 1:2 "I will utterly sweep away everything from the face of the earth[ha'adamah]," declares the LORD.
3 "I will sweep away man and beast; I will sweep away the birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea, and the rubble with the wicked. I will cut off mankind (or Adam or the man) from the face of the earth [ha'adamah]," declares the LORD
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I should point out that some TEs say the whole human race was living in that region, so the flood was universal in that sense, just not geographically. But I don't think the account says anything other than all the people living in that land were killed.

Incidentally, it is worth looking at the tables of the nations in Gen 10. It describes the survivors of the flood spreading out and forming the nations of the Middle East from Libya and Ethiopia to Persia. It does not say anything about Maoris or Koreans, Zulu or Incas being descended from Noah.

You can try to make it seem to say what ever you want but it's very apparent what it really says to a discerning mind. Lurkers please read Genesis 6 anZeph 1:1 The word of the LORD that came to Zephaniah the son of Cushi, son of Gedaliah, son of Amariah, son of Hezekiah, in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah.
2 "I will utterly sweep away everything from the face of the earth[ha'adamah]," declares the LORD.
3 "I will sweep away man and beast; I will sweep away the birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea, and the rubble with the wicked. I will cut off mankind from the face of the earth[ha'adamah]," declares the LORD.
4 "I will stretch out my hand against Judah and against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off from this place the remnant of Baal and the name of the idolatrous priests along with the priests, d see if there is anything there that would make one think that the flood was just a local event.

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A 'discerning mind' in other words you think God is telling you I am wrong. It would be better if you could support your position from scripture. Don't mistake discernment for the discomfort of facing serious flaws in what you thought was a key interpretation for Creationism.
 
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Giving examples of use in other parts of the Bible is fine. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is concluding that because the same word is used to indicate a local event means unequivically that it has to be a local event in the flood event.
The problem is, when we know the language is used to describe local events, then you have no basis to say it is global. It might be, the language could be read that way, there is just nothing in scripture that says we should read it globally.

Here is the reason it's not a good thing to do. In the context of the flood narrative we see God saying that the end of all flesh was before Him. Do you see Him saying anything about not destroying part of creation or part of the earth being spared someplace else for this event? Nope, not at all.
The context of the all flesh is very clear. It is the all flesh through whom the land was filled with violence 13 And God said to Noah, "I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the land is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the land. It is all flesh in the land filled by violence. Look at the previous two verses, it tells us that it was all flesh in the land that God is talking about. Gen 6:11 Now the land was corrupt in God's sight, and the land was filled with violence. 12 And God saw the land , and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way in the land. All flesh no more means the entire human race than the 'destroyed them all' meant all the human race was consumed when God destroyed Sodom.

Jesus Christ said that as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of man be Matt 24:37-39. The second coming is going to be a catastrophe of global proportions just like the flood was. At this time all mankind will be destroyed just like they were during the flood. There will be no survivers of the second coming of Christ who are not taken up with HIm in the clouds.

Read one of these article to see what will happen at the second advent of Christ:

http://www.amazingfacts.org/Home/SearchResults/tabid/133/Default.aspx?xsq=second+coming

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Jim Larmore
Don't forget that while Jesus used Noah to describe this judgment, he also used Lot. Using Noah as an example does not mean the flood was aany more global, than the destruction in Lot's day.
 
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(Why is an engineer talking about dating?)

Don't mind me if I am skeptical at best about that website.

Why would an engineer talk about anything but engineering? Being an old engineer this kind of struck a nerve with me. Why do we demand someone be an absolute expert in a particular field to intelligently comment on or evaluate it?

Why can't we see the workings of how conclusions are arived at and make good determinations on our own no matter what our training is? I"m not a geologist but I have studied it long enough to understand the basics of the field and how they arive at their conclusions. I'm not a medical doctor either but I have studied anatomy,physiology,pathology enough to understand what causes disease and what is appropriate practice of a physician. IOW, you don't have to be an expert in a field to know if something is wrong or not.

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Don't forget that while Jesus used Noah to describe this judgment, he also used Lot. Using Noah as an example does not mean the flood was aany more global, than the destruction in Lot's day.

The example was total destruction. There were no survivors in Sodom and Gomorrah and there will be no survivors of hell-fire in the end. This is what Christ was saying here. There were no survivors of the flood either except Noah and his family according to the Bible.

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The example was total destruction. There were no survivors in Sodom and Gomorrah and there will be no survivors of hell-fire in the end. This is what Christ was saying here. There were no survivors of the flood either except Noah and his family according to the Bible.

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Unfortunately, you are not the first to use common sense with this verse in response to such arguments. SSDD
 
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The example was total destruction. There were no survivors in Sodom and Gomorrah and there will be no survivors of hell-fire in the end. This is what Christ was saying here. There were no survivors of the flood either except Noah and his family according to the Bible.

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No you still can't get from the description of total destruction to claiming the extent has to be global. The destruction of Sodom was described as total, Jesus described both Sodom and the flood as 'and destroyed them all' but we know the area involved in with Sodom was limited. Your argument simply does not follow.

There were no survivors of the flood either except Noah and his family according to the Bible.
Very true. No one but Lot and his daughters survived the destruction of Sodom. But people outside the area where completely untouched, you would not even call them survivors because they weren't there.
 
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No you still can't get from the description of total destruction to claiming the extent has to be global. The destruction of Sodom was described as total, Jesus described both Sodom and the flood as 'and destroyed them all' but we know the area involved in with Sodom was limited. Your argument simply does not follow.

I'm sorry my friend but you have convinced yourself of something that is contrary to common sense and a clear reading of the scripture. When Christ said that the end times would be like the days of Noah just before the flood He never said anything about survivors anywhere else on the earth. What He said was they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until the flood came and took them all away. He used this example as a similar scenario that will be applied to the second advent when at His coming the elements will melt with fervent heat and all of the wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming, i.e. 2 Pet 3:10 and 2 Thess 2:8. There are a few other texts that tells us the same thing in Revelations and Zecharia.
Very true. No one but Lot and his daughters survived the destruction of Sodom. But people outside the area where completely untouched, you would not even call them survivors because they weren't there.

To show that this is an example of what will happen at the burning of hell-fire you need to show where the Bible says that there will be survivors of hell-fire. Sodom and Gomorrah were totally destroyed with eternal fire, i.e. Jude 7, also 2 Pet 2:6. That does not mean the fire didn't go out. What that means is it produced an eternal result of destruction. No amount of water hoses will put out the flames of hell once God lites them. So shall it also be for the lost wicked at the burning of hell-fire.

John 3:16 is clear that there are two ways for us to go, life or death. God thru His Son Jesus Christ has provided us a way to escape the verdict of death that rests on all of us. Christ paid for our sins but if we refuse His sacrifice then we will have to pay for them ourselves.

The flood never left anyone who refused the way of escape, neither will those who refuse the way of escape at the end of time.

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Why would an engineer talk about anything but engineering? Being an old engineer this kind of struck a nerve with me. Why do we demand someone be an absolute expert in a particular field to intelligently comment on or evaluate it?

Because the level it takes to understand aspects of these fields past the very basic requires years of training. You cannot just simply understand all aspects of a science by yourself. And besides, why would an engineer know about a subject more about the guy who did it for years?

I"m not a geologist but I have studied it long enough to understand the basics of the field and how they arive at their conclusions

Which is why your sources attack Carbon dating, even though it means nothing when it comes to the age of the Earth?

I'm not a medical doctor either but I have studied anatomy,physiology,pathology enough to understand what causes disease and what is appropriate practice of a physician. IOW, you don't have to be an expert in a field to know if something is wrong or not.

There is alot more to medical practice then just what knowing where diseases come from at a basic level. This isn't just pointing out methodological issues, which anyone can learn if they use common sense, this is going at some major long standing scientific theories that have been supported for years. Once again, why would an engineer get something right that 98% of Geologists get wrong?
 
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I'm sorry my friend but you have convinced yourself of something that is contrary to common sense and a clear reading of the scripture. When Christ said that the end times would be like the days of Noah just before the flood He never said anything about survivors anywhere else on the earth. What He said was they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until the flood came and took them all away. He used this example as a similar scenario that will be applied to the second advent when at His coming the elements will melt with fervent heat and all of the wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming, i.e. 2 Pet 3:10 and 2 Thess 2:8. There are a few other texts that tells us the same thing in Revelations and Zecharia.


To show that this is an example of what will happen at the burning of hell-fire you need to show where the Bible says that there will be survivors of hell-fire. Sodom and Gomorrah were totally destroyed with eternal fire, i.e. Jude 7, also 2 Pet 2:6. That does not mean the fire didn't go out. What that means is it produced an eternal result of destruction. No amount of water hoses will put out the flames of hell once God lites them. So shall it also be for the lost wicked at the burning of hell-fire.

John 3:16 is clear that there are two ways for us to go, life or death. God thru His Son Jesus Christ has provided us a way to escape the verdict of death that rests on all of us. Christ paid for our sins but if we refuse His sacrifice then we will have to pay for them ourselves.

The flood never left anyone who refused the way of escape, neither will those who refuse the way of escape at the end of time.

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Jim Larmore
Sorry Jim, no matter how large a font you use you cannot get around the fact Jesus used the same sort of language to describe the flood as he used for Sodom. If fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all Luke 17:29, simply meant the total destruction of everyone caught up in the fire, not that the fire was global, then the flood came and destroyed them all v.26, means everyone caught up in the flood was killed, not that the flood was global.

I don't see any significant difference between the description of the flood in:
Luke 17:26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

and in:
Matt 24:37 As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away.

Yet the language in Luke is only talking about the totality of the destruction within the flood, not the extent of the flood. It cannot mean the flood was global because that would mean the fire that destroyed Sodom was global too and we know it wasn't.

You are quote right that Sodom is used as an illustration of hell fire in Jude and 2Peter. Now ask yourself, does that mean Sodom was destroyed by a global fire? Using the flood or Sodom as an illustration of judgement does not mean either have to be global. There is nothing in scripture that tells us the flood was global.
 
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Because the level it takes to understand aspects of these fields past the very basic requires years of training. You cannot just simply understand all aspects of a science by yourself. And besides, why would an engineer know about a subject more about the guy who did it for years?

I didn't say he would know more. What I said was an engineer is very capable of arriving at proper conclusions based on the evidence without spending years in the disipline to do so. Experts are proved wrong all the time in science and in some cases by those who are not always within their field of study.


Which is why your sources attack Carbon dating, even though it means nothing when it comes to the age of the Earth?

I believe the attack was on radiometric dating per se' not just carbon dating. In both cases a lot of assumptions have to be made for the dating to be valid.

There is alot more to medical practice then just what knowing where diseases come from at a basic level. This isn't just pointing out methodological issues, which anyone can learn if they use common sense, this is going at some major long standing scientific theories that have been supported for years. Once again, why would an engineer get something right that 98% of Geologists get wrong?

You throw figures around loosely without validation my friend. I am not sure just how many geologist are 100% convinced that the mainstream paradigm is correct. Of the five friends I have who are in the field. One is a geophysicist and the others are geologists, only 1 of them is 100% convinced the paradigm is correct. That is a small number of folks but based on percentages it would only be 20% not 98%. The larger the number quarried the larger your percentage may become but I would be willing to wager it would never reach 98% even if a thousand were polled.

Besides a majority a truth does not make. The majority of scientists used to believe that life arose from rotting flesh, they could debate well sighting that most well studied and good scientist believed this is what happens, guess what? They were wrong. ;)


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I believe the attack was on radiometric dating per se' not just carbon dating. In both cases a lot of assumptions have to be made for the dating to be valid.

Just curious - what are those assumptions? You claim to know the field; let's see if you do.
 
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Just curious - what are those assumptions? You claim to know the field; let's see if you do.

Here's a short article that describes why radiometric dating is not always a sure fired thing.
MAJOR DATING METHODS—Several types of dating methods are used today. Chief among them are:
(1) Uranium-thorium-lead dating, based on the disintegration of uranium and thorium into radium, helium, etc., and finally into lead.
(2) Rubidium-strontium dating, based on the decay of rubidium into strontium.
(3) Potassium-argon dating, based on the disintegration of potassium into argon and calcium.
In this chapter, we shall discuss the strengths and weaknesses of each of these dating methods.
There is a basic pattern that occurs in the decay of radioactive substances. In each of these disintegration systems, the parent or original radioactive substance gradually decays into daughter substances. This may involve long decay chains, with each daughter product decaying into other daughter substances, until finally only an inert element remains that has no radioactivity. In some instances, the parent substance may decay directly into the end product. Sometimes, the radioactive chain may begin with an element partway down the decay chain.
A somewhat different type of radioactive dating method is called carbon 14-dating or radiocarbon dating. It is based on the formation of radioactive elements of carbon, in the atmosphere by cosmic radiation, and their subsequent decay to the stable carbon isotope. We will also discuss radiocarbon dating in this chapter.
SEVEN INITIAL ASSUMPTIONS—At the very beginning of this analysis, we need to clearly understand a basic fact: Each of these special dating methods can only have accuracy IF (if!) certain assumptions ALWAYS (always!) apply to EACH specimen that is tested.
Here are seven of these fragile assumptions:
(1) Each system has to be a closed system; that is, nothing can contaminate any of the parents or the daughter products while they are going through their decay process—or the dating will be thrown off. Ideally, in order to do this, each specimen tested needs to have been sealed in a jar with thick lead walls for all its previous existence, supposedly millions of years!
But in actual field conditions, there is no such thing as a closed system. One piece of rock cannot for millions of years be sealed off from other rocks, as well as from water, chemicals, and changing radiations from outer space.
(2) Each system must initially have contained none of its daughter products. A piece of uranium 238 must originally have had no lead or other daughter products in it. If it did, this would give a false date reading.
But this assumption can in no way be confirmed. It is impossible to know what was initially in a given piece of radioactive mineral. Was it all of this particular radioactive substance or were some other indeterminate or final daughter products mixed in? We do not know; we cannot know. Men can guess; they can apply their assumptions, come up with some dates, announce the consistent ones, and hide the rest, which is exactly what evolutionist scientists do!
(3) The process rate must always have been the same. The decay rate must never have changed.
Yet we have no way of going back into past ages and ascertaining whether that assumption is correct.
Every process in nature operates at a rate that is determined by a number of factors. These factors can change or vary with a change in certain conditions. Rates are really statistical averages, not deterministic constants.
The most fundamental of the initial assumptions is that all radioactive clocks, including carbon 14, have always had a constant decay rate that is unaffected by external influences—now and forever in the past. But it is a known fact among scientists that such changes in decay rates can and do occur. Laboratory testing has established that such resetting of specimen clocks does happen. Field evidence reveals that decay rates have indeed varied in the past.
The decay rate of any radioactive mineral can be altered [1] if the mineral is bombarded by high energy particles from space (such as neutrinos, cosmic rays, etc.); [2] if there is, for a time, a nearby radioactive mineral emitting radiation; [3] if physical pressure is brought to bear upon the radioactive mineral; or [4] if certain chemicals are brought in contact with it.
(4) One researcher, *John Joly of Trinity College, Dublin, spent years studying pleochroic halos emitted by radioactive substances. In his research he found evidence that the long half-life minerals have varied in their decay rate in the past!
"His [Joly’s] suggestion of varying rate of disintegration of uranium at various geological periods would, if correct, set aside all possibilities of age calculation by radioactive methods."—*A.F. Kovarik, "Calculating the Age of Minerals from Radioactivity Data and Principles," in Bulletin 80 of the National Research Council, June 1931, p. 107.
(5) If any change occurred in past ages in the blanket of atmosphere surrounding our planet, this would greatly affect the clocks in radioactive minerals.
Cosmic rays, high-energy mesons, neutrons, electrons, protons, and photons enter our atmosphere continually. These are atomic particles traveling at speeds close to that of the speed of light. Some of these rays go several hundred feet underground and 1400 meters [1530 yards] into the ocean depths. The blanket of air covering our world is equivalent to 34 feet [104 dm] of water, or 1 meter [1.093 yd] thickness of lead. If at some earlier time this blanket of air was more heavily water-saturated, it would produce a major change—from the present rate,—in the atomic clocks within radioactive minerals. Prior to the time of the Flood, there was a much greater amount of water in the air.
(6) The Van Allen radiation belt encircles the globe. It is about 450 miles [724 km] above us and is intensely radioactive. According to *Van Allen, high-altitude tests revealed that it emits 3000-4000 times as much radiation as the cosmic rays that continually bombard the earth.
Any change in the Van Allen belt would powerfully affect the transformation time of radioactive minerals. But we know next to nothing about this belt—what it is, why it is there, or whether it has changed in the past. In fact, the belt was only discovered in 1959. Even small amounts of variation or change in the Van Allen belt would significantly affect radioactive substances.
(7) A basic assumption of all radioactive dating methods is that the clock had to start at the beginning; that is, no daughter products were present, only those elements at the top of the radioactive chain were in existence. For example, all the uranium 238 in the world originally had no lead 206 in it, and no lead 206 existed anywhere else. But if either Creation—or a major worldwide catastrophe (such as the Flood) occurred, everything would begin thereafter with, what scientists call, an "appearance of age."
By this we mean "appearance of maturity." The world would be seen as mature the moment after Creation. Spread before us would be a scene of fully grown plants and flowers. Most trees would have their full height. We would not, instead, see a barren landscape of seeds littering the ground. We would see full-grown chickens, not unhatched eggs. Radioactive minerals would be partially through their cycle of half-lives on the very first day. This factor of initial apparent age would strongly affect our present reading of the radioactive clocks in uranium, thorium, etc.
Evolutionist theorists tell us that originally there was only uranium, and all of its daughter products (radioactive isotopes farther down its decay chain) developed later. But "appearance of maturity" at the Creation would mean that, much of the elements, now classified by evolutionists as "daughter products," were actually original—not daughter—products and were already in the ground along with uranium instead of being produced by it. We already know, from Robert Gentry’s studies, that original (primordial) polonium 218 was in the granite when that granite initially came into existence suddenly and in solid form; yet polonium is thought by evolutionists to only occur as an eventual daughter product of uranium disintegration.

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Does something need to be falsifiable to be true?

It has to be in order to be scientifically true. An unfalsifiable truth, is not a scientific truth. In the same sense that Christ proclaims he is the Truth, is not a claim that the seeking of Christ yields a grasp of biology. Christ is the Truth, is an unfalsifiable truth, and it's not a scientific claim to it either.

Only positivists, certain unbelievers, and foolish believers, attempt to validate truth with only that which is science, in a heretical belief that proposes science as God.
 
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Is anyone going to answer the OP? We're three pages into it, and no one has taken a crack at answering the question I posed.

As Christians who believe God created the universe and everything in it, is the concept of intelligent design falsifiable?

Isn't the ToE an exercise in attempting to falsify that Intelligent Design was required? From that perspective, ID is falsifiable.
 
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I didn't say he would know more. What I said was an engineer is very capable of arriving at proper conclusions based on the evidence without spending years in the disipline to do so. Experts are proved wrong all the time in science and in some cases by those who are not always within their field of study.

An engineer would not know how to read the evidence, how to do the proper procedure, or know the entire background of a subject without training. There is a reason why many pro-creationist "scientists" get so many basic principles of evolution or the big bang wrong. Its because a very small minority of them actually know much about the subject itself.

You throw figures around loosely without validation my friend. I am not sure just how many geologist are 100% convinced that the mainstream paradigm is correct. Of the five friends I have who are in the field. One is a geophysicist and the others are geologists, only 1 of them is 100% convinced the paradigm is correct. That is a small number of folks but based on percentages it would only be 20% not 98%.

Small sample. Not to mention your threshold is very narrow. There is a difference between believing in the general mainstream paradigm and completely agreeing 100%. Many geologists disagree over specifics, but they would generally agree on the most basic stuff.

Besides a majority a truth does not make. The majority of scientists used to believe that life arose from rotting flesh, they could debate well sighting that most well studied and good scientist believed this is what happens, guess what? They were wrong. ;)


That was over hundreds and thousands of years ago when science was in its infancy and much of the tools and methodology they use now didn't exist. Using them as an example of how current science could be wrong is faulty on many levels.
 
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