Signs in ad 30??

[flyfishing]

Was watching a show and the minister was in Israel reading from a section of the talmud about the time of i believe ad30 and the priest i think was simon..

he mentioned some very unusual occurences and wondered if anyone here could verify the authenticity.. Dont like to belive everything i hear.

1. sign of lot drawn not coming upon the lord but on people, this was the lot the preist drew to determine who sacrifice was for? always had come up the LORD.. Its use was discontinued after this??


2. The scarlet cord turning white was a regular occurence and i forget what the special signifiacnce was..


3. the 2 logs that burnt the whole sacrifice all up to this time were no longer sufficient..

4. the westward side of the menoprah would not last to light the whole candelabra. Please do not be offended at my ignorance and use of terms.

5.the preists portion not satisfying him as usual..

these supposedly happened ad 30.. Any one have a better grasp of this?? I forget the jewish name for the talmudic reference..


Also josephus and signs he discussed, the red heifer giving birth to a lamb..

The temple gate opening all by itself just before its destruction symbolizing the departure of the presence of God. this gate took 20 men to close and open, was 63ft by 23 ft..

Haleys comet in 66ad? Jews believe comets are a sign of judgement???


A sword seen raised over Jerusalem in the heavens above??


Thank you..

Please remember that while an educated person i am somewhat ignorant of Jewish customs.. Thanks again..

 

[Hix]

The Talmud mentions the strange occurance of the lot and the scarlet thread not turning white as having happened on and off right up untill 30 AD when it stops entirely. Its important to note that this isnt a biblicaly commanded practise, but stems from Isaiah were G-d says "though your sins be red as scarlet, I shall make them white as wool." so the turning of the thread from scarlet to white was to signify that G-d accepted the sacrifice.

Tractate Yoma in the Talmud is wholly given over to laws pertaining to Yom Kippur. But before it mentions these strange occurances it mentions why, in the verses before. Quoting from a Baraisa, the Talmud begins with a discussion of the deteriorating spiritual condition of the Jewish people during the second Temple period. Throughout this fascinating discourse, the miraculous events that transpired during the Temple ceremonies are the barometer by which the Baraisa measures the religious decline of the nation of Israel during this difficult epoch in Jewish history. The period of time examined in this assessment begins with the era during which Shimon HaTzaddik officiated as the high priest until the time that the Romans destroyed the second Temple in the year 70 C.E. More specifically, the Talmud breaks this period down into three successive stages, with the first stage being the most meritorious, the second marking a gradual spiritual decline, and the third the most deleterious.

Shimon HaTzaddik was the one for the famous Talmud quote "The world exists on three things: the Torah, divine worship, and acts of kindness.". The Talmud says he was very righteous and inspired the people to do the same and in that period there was a spiritual high among the people of Israel. Following his death, however, the Jewish people were unable to sustain the spiritual heights which they had achieved during Shimon HaTzaddik’s lifetime. As a result, they digressed into a downward spiritual spiral from which they never recovered. This decline continued and worsened as the second Temple era continued to unfold. The Baraisa therefore relates that after the death of Shimon HaTzaddik the occurrence of these miracles became sporadic; there were some years when these miraculous signs occurred, and there were other years when they did not. This spiritual decay plunged to its lowest point during the last 40 years of the second Temple period. The Baraisa records that none of the above miracles occurred during these last four decades of the second Temple.

Hope this helps!
Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[flyfishing]

I had never heard of the cord turning from scarlet to white prior to this. certainly find it very interesting.. Are there any conclusions that can be drawn from these signs in relation to Christ.??? Thanks..

 

[Hix]

Many people try to make this seem like its the case as "Yeshua is the final sacrifice and G-d no longer accepts them" but that isnt the case. For a start the Bible is clear sacrifices will some day be restored in full, but forgetting that for a second, this event of the thread not turning white and the other signs etc had happened on and off long before Yeshua came. It is highly unreasonable to think that if G-d did only rely on sacrifice for atonement of sins (which he doesnt) that he would not give his people the option for atonement.

Instead if you are to believe this story since its recorded in the Talmud you have to believe its context, the Talmud says the reason was a major spiritual decline in the people since the death of Shimon HaTzaddik, there was hatred, theft and lack of righteousness, which Im sure Yeshua noticed. Its quite interesting to hear of the traditional Jewish beliefs of when the messiah is supposed to come, either when the world is very righteous (it is deserved) or when it is very evil (it is necessary), that could very well be the reason we saw Yeshua the messiah comming at the time he did and aiding those sick in HaShem.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[Henaynei]

well said Hix

 

[flyfishing]

I guess i was looking for some who believed that CHRISTS ministry had some connection with these supernatural occurences...