Sick Migrants Undergoing Lifesaving Care Can Now Be Deported

[SummerMadness]

It's mentioned in post number 2. But that doesn't mean that all those opposing this policy change think the same way as poster number 2.

True. I should edit that, none of my posts mention racism.

 

[Hank77]

Sick Migrants Undergoing Lifesaving Care Can Now Be Deported


When you think of people as anything but people, this can be the only result.

Wasn't it Trump who was all for bringing the child in England to the US for experimental treatment?

Donald Trump has offered to help the parents of a critically ill baby who have lost a legal fight to take him to the United States for treatment.


The US president said he would be delighted to help Charlie Gard, whose parents wanted him to undergo a therapy trial in the US to treat a rare genetic condition.

Members of the Trump administration have talked to the 10-month-old’s family, a White House spokeswoman said on Monday. “Our goal is not to pressure but simply to be helpful if possible in this very difficult and heartbreaking situation,” Sarah Huckabee Sanders told the Guardian.

If Trump can sign his name to a good deed that's one thing but if not, well "Send them back!"

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

From a rational standpoint, this is all the more reason why we need control of our borders. Unchecked immigration creates an undue burden creates an undue burden on our health care system. God known the US has enough sick among our own citizens to look after.

Yes, thats the Christian thing to do .

 

[Hank77]

This makes me cry bc it's so cruel. Especially to little kids.

I almost didn't open this thread because sometimes I feel like my heart just can't take anymore sorrow and shame. Yes, shame that my country would allow such a cruel thing to take place; surely not in the America that I love, in the America fill with Christians that know this is not a righteous thing to do.

 

[stevil]

surely not in the America that I love, in the America fill with Christians that know this is not a righteous thing to do.

And yet, I think you will find that a Christian American will be more likely to be in support of this policy change than a non religious American.

Being a Christian does not necessarily make someone more charitable or humanistic, as some people might have assumed.

 

[Tom 1]

Cruelty perhaps?

I think it is indifference rather than cruelty. A lot of Trump voters want immigration to be reduced and illegal immigrants to be deported, and Trump wants votes. Whether or not that means some kids die is a matter of indifference. Same goes for adults, Trump's cack-handed approach to immigration control has led to an increase in risk to asylum seekers/immigrants, illegal and otherwise, with more homicides and kidnappings etc among the populations deported despite clear evidence of serious DV, and those waiting in Mexico.
From what I've seen here responses range from 'so what', through the old theme of demonising immigrants, to simple denial and total indifference.
An interesting contrast from a Christian perspective is Jesus' parable of the good Samaritan - the character in this story was travelling through a dangerous area, known as something like 'the road of blood' because of frequent beatings and robberies etc. He sees someone lying by the side of the road, tends to his wounds, takes him to a hostel and leaves money to pay for any needs he might have, with the promise that he will be back to check on the wounded man's progress. A modern equivalent would be something like stopping your car in a very dodgy, violent area and getting out to investigate someone lying on the pavement, then taking responsibility for that person's recovery. After telling this story, Jesus said 'go and do likewise'.
When it comes to the fate of immigrants, this all gets replaced in some Christian circles with 'people need to obey the law'.

One of the most cognitively strange things though is that the Obama administration was in fact much more effective at removing people who actually posed a threat to society in some way. Turn that one over in your noggin. It's hard to get a Trump supporter to engage on that topic.

 

[Tom 1]

I"m sure all the humanitarian folks here have filled every room of their houses or apartments with the drug addicts, the sick, elderly, mentally ill and homeless? and are willing to pay for the medical expenses of others from around the world who would like to come to the USA for treatment?

Well, like anyone who follows Jesus I have regularly made an effort to help others.

I think it is important to distinguish between politics and belief - politics and the behaviour of the state is one thing, belief is another. For example I am grateful to my relatives and everyone else who fought in the 2 world wars, I'm grateful that Western style government won out over facism and communism. I did my time in the military because I think that defence is important. But those are not Christian beliefs, they are about community, society, protecting a way of life and so on. When Christian beliefs become entangled in justifying our enjoyment of a privileged lifestyle while others suffer simply because of where they were born, that isn't a good thing. Any Christian should be careful about how his or her political beliefs impacts on their imitation of Christ.

Also, the idea that the 'humanitarian folks' should take on the entire burden isn't a great way to make the point, in my opinion. Everyone should do what they can to help their fellow man, without neglecting their own wellbeing in the long term. There are plenty of atheists who put some of us religious types to shame in that regard.

 

[KCfromNC]

I"m sure all the humanitarian folks here have filled every room of their houses or apartments with the drug addicts, the sick, elderly, mentally ill and homeless? and are willing to pay for the medical expenses of others from around the world who would like to come to the USA for treatment?

Yep. Just like anti-abortion activists have adopted every single unwanted child. Both seem like perfectly reasonable approaches to large-scale issues.

 

[KCfromNC]

This is a moot point, the person in this story was paying for her own healthcare through private insurance, so trying to make it seem like you're paying for some ne'er do-well loafers is inaccurate and an outright misrepresentation of the people that may be sent back to their country to face certain death.

But but but if we don't believe in the myth that immigrants are a drain on society, how else can we rationalize the feeling that they need to be kicked out of the country?

 

[Hank77]

This is a gross mischaracterisation,

One side is saying that they are happy for their taxes to contribute towards medical care for people regardless if those people are citizens, tourists or immigrants (legal or otherwise), regardless if those people are law abiding or criminal. They are saying that for people in the country that are in immediate need of treatment, then they are happy that taxes go towards saving those people's lives.

This is a far cry from saying that those people should be put up in the individual tax payer's own house, which is not equipped for such services and care. The tax payer is willing to pay taxes for this purpose, and are willing to allow these people access to that tax funded care.

Many of these children are here under pro bono care by hospitals and humanitarian organizations; they aren't costing the taxpayers anything.

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT


A small clean up was done. STAY ON TOPIC. The topic is not racism or white supremacy, or drug addicts or homeless.

If you cannot stick to the topic, don't post.

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[Halbhh]

Maria Isabel Bueso came to the United States as a child for treatment of her rare genetic disease. She now must leave the country in about a month or face deportation.CreditCreditJim Wilson/The New York Times
... Over the years, her parents have paid for the treatment that keeps her alive with private medical insurance.

But last week, Ms. Bueso received a letter from the United States government that told her she would face deportation if she did not leave the country within 33 days, an order described by her doctor, lawyer and mother as tantamount to a “death sentence.”

Without any public announcement, the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services eliminated a “deferred action” program this month that had allowed immigrants like Ms. Bueso to avoid deportation while they or their relatives were undergoing lifesaving medical treatment.

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I think this proves conclusively and clearly the government action isn't in any way compatible to what Christianity is.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I think this proves conclusively and clearly the government action isn't in any way compatible to what Christianity is.

It's not compatible with humanity.

 

[stevil]

Maria Isabel Bueso
... Over the years, her parents have paid for the treatment that keeps her alive with private medical insurance.

But last week, Ms. Bueso received a letter from the United States government that told her she would face deportation if she did not leave the country within 33 days, an order described by her doctor, lawyer and mother as tantamount to a “death sentence.”

She has not committed any crimes, she isn't a financial burden, she's educated, she gives back to the community...

So why is it important for her to leave the only place in the world that can provide the treatment she needs to stay alive? Wouldn't her staying and paying for treatment, help fund the medicine that can then be used on others?

I really do have a feeling that if she was a white girl with blond hair and blues eyes named Mary with wealthy and connected parents from Norway then many more people would be outraged here.

Maybe Maria, should go on TV and speak great things about Trump. Maybe spend some money in one of his hotels or golf courses, maybe attack Comey, McCain and the free press. Just work the system girl, wallow in that swamp like your life depends on it. I'll forgive you.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I am going to assume this is more anti Trump Propaganda. I am not going to give them a dollar to read their article. They should pay me a dollar to read it

That's all we ever see here.
We should all move on now
and start helping Trump to
Make America Great Again.
M-Bob

 

[stevil]

That's all we ever see here.
We should all move on now
and start helping Trump to
Make America Great Again.
M-Bob

Turning a blind eye to a policy for killing kids, doesn't make America great.
But, appealing to Trump to let the kids stay in hospital may help America achieve some of the minimal requirements of being acceptable.

 

[stevil]

That's all we ever see here.
We should all move on now
and start helping Trump to
Make America Great Again.
M-Bob

I've been thinking about this response.

I get a feeling that some Trump supporters are just sick of all the criticism that is going on towards Trump and toward his policies.
Now I don't know how it gets when the Dems get criticised or accused of things, but I assume, when that criticism comes from the Fox news and the right wing radio shows that the Dem supporters just consider the criticism to be crazy conspiracy theory stuff or just trivial criticism for the sake of it.

So probably the Republican supporters have got to that stage too. They look at the daily criticism on the non right wing media and they just want to turn it off. They probably just assume it is crazy conspiracy theory stuff or just trivial criticism.

When they hear that the Trump administration are throwing sick immigrants out of hospitals and hence leading them to an early death, they must either take one of two paths on this.
1. This is some made up conspiracy, Trump and the Republicans wouldn't be this cruel, this mean. They aren't monsters, so it can't be true, it isn't reported on Fox or right wing media "trusted" sources, but only on those "left wing liberal socialists" sources which of course aren't to be trusted.
2. OK, so Trump IS doing this. It must be for the best. We surely can't afford to look after illegal immigrants, it's tough sure, but we must take care of our own first. We trust Trump, he must be doing this because it must be done.

What I don't think is happening is that people are able to criticise their own side. Republican supporters are unable to criticise Trump or Trump's policies. They feel under constant attack and feel that they need to defend rather than tell Trump and the representatives, "We'll we like most of what you are doing, But, man are you crazy on this thing? You must just stop this now. Fix it, say it was a mistake and we can move on."

Same goes for the Dems, what serious issues were they criticising Obama over? Did they ever petition him to change something, like "stop those damn drone strikes"?

 

[KCfromNC]

I really do have a feeling that if she was a white girl with blond hair and blues eyes named Mary with wealthy and connected parents from Norway then many more people would be outraged here.

Not exactly the situation you asked for, but Hospital To Kill 10-Month-Old Baby Rather Than Let His Parents Send Him To The US For Treatment

 

[Mayzoo]

750 dollars a day spent here each day for each one of these kids. Does anyone actually think that does not include medical care?
M-Bob

Isn't this 750.00 a day for the kids being detained in camps; not those here with US permission for medical treatment?

And isn't Trump trying to increase the amount of time we detain illegal immigrants, thus increasing the outlay for them being here?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

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