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Should you go to church if you can't afford to give 10%?

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Every church I've been to pushes tithing and it is understandable. The pastor has to eat. The question came to mind here recently, should a person go to church if they can't afford to tithe? What if they can't afford to give anything?

I know churches that push a give and God will bless you philosophy.

My position is it is like paying for any other services. You can't expect a pastor to come to the hospital when you are sick, do your funeral or guide you spiritually if you aren't willing to pay him a decent wage and support the church and its mission.

So does that mean your validity as a member of the body of Christ is tied to your salary? If you can't afford to give, would it be better just to stay home?

I haven't ever given 10% personally. Not because I am not happy to give though.

I do admit though, I don't like hearing the guilt trip give messages. Not every church does it, but most do.

What are your thoughts?
 

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I think any church that makes its parishioner feel embarrassed because they can't give 10% should be embarrassed. And should be upfront and charge admission at the door so as to avoid the insult from the pulpit.

God isn't found in a building. God doesn't have expenses. Tithe is giving what you can afford of your time and yes if you can, your money, to those that are in need.
You can tithe anywhere. If you see someone struggling to pay for their food at the counter of a restaurant, give them the difference so they can eat that day.

Tithe is giving to further the will and mercy of God on earth. At any time you can be called to give. Give your time, give your wisdom, give a shoulder, or an ear to listen, or spare change, or a second thought before you spout off on someone and hurt your feelings. Give so as to strengthen the foundation and bounty of God by supporting the word you believe in with the action that inspires you to live the testament.
 
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Tell the pastor, before he brudens people, who don't have it, to get a job like Paul did, who spoke of not burdening people, so instead, he, barnabas, timothy, titus, silas, priscila and aquilla worked. Paul even while asking for collection money, for the poor, not him, in 2 cor 8-9, said not to give, if one does not have, don't be burdened.
 
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I personally dont believe a Pastor should be supported entirely by his congregation. A love offering every once in a while would be fine but 100% income crom the congregation puts too much pressure on everyone that is unnecessary. The congregation would understandably push tithes in such a scenario, because the Pastor and family would be dependent upon the church for support. The Pastor would not be as authoritative as they should be because if you upset enough people by your words, whether justified or not, you lose your income and thats no good.

Anyways I've heard that OT tithes were not merely just 10% but rather varied even in excess of 20% at times. Where does this 10% only idea come from? The only NT passages I can think of about money are Jesus commending the poor widow for giving ALL she had, Him saying give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, then the Church in Acts giving ALL they had for each other, and Paul in 2 Cor teaching about giving, but in that passage he says specifically he was not commanding them to give, only encouraging them to do so because they had bragged about their love for other believers and God loves a cheerful giver. I suppose he did tell Timothy a worker is worth his wages, but when we preach the gospel should we strive for an earthly wage or a heavenly one?
 
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Several things ran through my mind.

1. Oh boy! Another "pastor is fleecing the sheep through tithe" thread.

Answer: When you were a worship leader in a paid position, were you fleecing the sheep? Did you require everyone to give ten percent? In 28 years of ministry spanning 27 states and five nations. I have never met One church that made giving a requirement to attendance.

Then there was though #2

Should you be eating out, have Internet access, cable tv or a cell phone if your finances are so tight you cannot give 10%?

Oh and btw, I have not been paid by a ministry in four years and I still minister just as much.
 
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Every church I've been to pushes tithing and it is understandable. The pastor has to eat. The question came to mind here recently, should a person go to church if they can't afford to tithe? What if they can't afford to give anything?

I know churches that push a give and God will bless you philosophy.

My position is it is like paying for any other services. You can't expect a pastor to come to the hospital when you are sick, do your funeral or guide you spiritually if you aren't willing to pay him a decent wage and support the church and its mission.

So does that mean your validity as a member of the body of Christ is tied to your salary? If you can't afford to give, would it be better just to stay home?

I haven't ever given 10% personally. Not because I am not happy to give though.

I do admit though, I don't like hearing the guilt trip give messages. Not every church does it, but most do.

What are your thoughts?

My ex preaches against this kind of preaching, although he could defenitely need some money with the church in debt.
There must be another way than demanding people to pay the salary of the pastor or else they can go elsewhere. Well I would go elsewhere, without that kind of preaching. Nothing wrong with giving 10 % though,
if you can and want to.
 
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Every church I've been to pushes tithing and it is understandable. The pastor has to eat. The question came to mind here recently, should a person go to church if they can't afford to tithe? What if they can't afford to give anything?

I know churches that push a give and God will bless you philosophy.

My position is it is like paying for any other services. You can't expect a pastor to come to the hospital when you are sick, do your funeral or guide you spiritually if you aren't willing to pay him a decent wage and support the church and its mission.

So does that mean your validity as a member of the body of Christ is tied to your salary? If you can't afford to give, would it be better just to stay home?

I haven't ever given 10% personally. Not because I am not happy to give though.

I do admit though, I don't like hearing the guilt trip give messages. Not every church does it, but most do.

What are your thoughts?


I remember my dad giving me my fist allowance when I was 6 yrs old. He explained to me very clearly how 10% of it belonged to God, and probably gave me something like ten cents in change so that the math was simple and I didn't have to break it down to get the right amount to pay my tithes. I was so happy to get any money whatsoever, that tithing seemed insignificant compared to what I was allowed to keep.

I tithed faithfully all my life. It was just like paying taxes. It's not your money, so don't spend it and don't rack up so many bills that you can't afford your obligations. Simple, really.

Till I read the Bible, and noticed that the verses they often quoted at church were taken out of context. So I studied tithing, just like the preacher always said we should do, being like the Bereans, you know...

The first thing I noticed was that tithing wasn't meant to all go to the church. It was meant to go to the widows, orphans, and to the Levites and strangers in the land as well. It makes sense that giving money directly to someone in need is much more effective than giving it first to the church, and then taking the person in need to that same church and going through the process of trying to get some of that same money back to help them. The church has the advantage of being able to spread the resources out evenly between all that are in need, but most people in our society are touched more when they are given a gift from an individual rather than an organization.

Then I noticed how preachers tend to pick and choose which portions of "The Law" were fulfilled through Jesus and which ones we must still keep today. I'm not sure how they make this distinction, but it does seem awfully self serving in the way that tithing is not only one of the laws kept, but it has changed into something they can use to tax every member of the congregation. I've been to many churches where they spend up to 15 minutes every Sunday with a mini-sermon on tithing! Right before they take up the offering, of course.

Not going to church is one way to avoid the "obligation" to pay tithes. I think about that sometimes when I'm longing for a place of fellowship. The main thing that keeps me out of church however, is the false doctrine that I don't wish to subject my family to. And if tithing is just another fine example of false doctrine that is constantly preached from the pulpit, do you really want to sit under that day after day, year after year?
 
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Several things ran through my mind.

1. Oh boy! Another "pastor is fleecing the sheep through tithe" thread.

Answer: When you were a worship leader in a paid position, were you fleecing the sheep? Did you require everyone to give ten percent? In 28 years of ministry spanning 27 states and five nations. I have never met One church that made giving a requirement to attendance.

Then there was though #2

Should you be eating out, have Internet access, cable tv or a cell phone if your finances are so tight you cannot give 10%?

Oh and btw, I have not been paid by a ministry in four years and I still minister just as much.

Wow. It was just a question. For the record, the church I used to be on staff at did make giving a non enforced requirement but it did not say it had to be to the church.

And for the record, I had conscience issues taking money for leading worship after several months, though I don't judge others for doing so. I expressed my desire to work voluntarily. That is neither here nor there since that was years ago now.

Regardless of how many churches you have been to, I'm telling you most of the churches (though not all) I have visited have pressured for tithing.

I'm not going to discuss my finances or my situation in detail on a public forum because of factors that would be inappropriate. Now you can take that for whatever it is worth.

Personally I'm telling you I want to give, from the heart. It is my desire to do so, but for reasons I won't say here, I can't.

Like I said. It was just an honest question. I'm not even disapproving of pushing for a tithe, I am just saying the pushing makes me uncomfortable and frankly feel that I shouldn't attend because I am unable to give what they are asking.

Feel free to go ahead and judge me though. I won't count it against you.
 
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Every church I've been to pushes tithing and it is understandable. The pastor has to eat. The question came to mind here recently, should a person go to church if they can't afford to tithe? What if they can't afford to give anything?

I know churches that push a give and God will bless you philosophy.

My position is it is like paying for any other services. You can't expect a pastor to come to the hospital when you are sick, do your funeral or guide you spiritually if you aren't willing to pay him a decent wage and support the church and its mission.

So does that mean your validity as a member of the body of Christ is tied to your salary? If you can't afford to give, would it be better just to stay home?

I haven't ever given 10% personally. Not because I am not happy to give though.

I do admit though, I don't like hearing the guilt trip give messages. Not every church does it, but most do.

What are your thoughts?


My experience sounds similar to yours. I've heard the tithing message over and over and over again in many churches I've visited in the past few years. I'm so tired of sermons on tithing.
:sigh:

Should a person continue to go to a church, even if they cannot tithe?
Tough one to answer ...

But if 'worth' or 'standing' or 'favor' in a church appears to be measured by one's ability to tithe? I wouldn't go there.
imo, their priorities are wrong.
 
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Every church I've been to pushes tithing and it is understandable. The pastor has to eat. The question came to mind here recently, should a person go to church if they can't afford to tithe? What if they can't afford to give anything?

I know churches that push a give and God will bless you philosophy.

My position is it is like paying for any other services. You can't expect a pastor to come to the hospital when you are sick, do your funeral or guide you spiritually if you aren't willing to pay him a decent wage and support the church and its mission.

So does that mean your validity as a member of the body of Christ is tied to your salary? If you can't afford to give, would it be better just to stay home?

I haven't ever given 10% personally. Not because I am not happy to give though.

I do admit though, I don't like hearing the guilt trip give messages. Not every church does it, but most do.

What are your thoughts?

Maybe it's a Pentecostal.Free church thing?

No church I have been in - CofE's and Methodist - has ever pushed tithing. Our vicar once suggested that 10% was a good starting point; but it wasn't compulsory and no one forced it. Shortly after I joined the Methodist Church a woman came along and her first question was "how much do I have to give to come here?" It seems that in her previous church people had actually gone through her finances with her to find out how she spent her money and how she could still give her 10% :eek: :doh:.
Of course, our answer was 'you give what you can afford, what you have decided before God, and if that's nothing at all some weeks - so be it."

Tithing, as enforced by some churches today, is not Scriptural. If your church pushes tithing heavily and you can't afford to give 10%, it might be better to stay at home than be made to feel guilty. Better still though; find another church.
 
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the jerusalem church tithed, yet they were poor, gal 2:10, yet we always hear tithing teachers use the old cov tithing laws to promise blessing, or use the curse of mal 3 to get tithe using fear, all while the tithing jews were still poor, and all while we are not under old cov tithing laws, to a temple that is not there anymore.

Pastor needs to get a day job!:D
 
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Luckily God is not the Maffia 10% 10% 10%
and I heard this kind of preaching too, you're not the only one.

lol..good one, and there is not a drop of NT teaching, binding people to 10% every sunday either.
 
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Every church I've been to pushes tithing and it is understandable. The pastor has to eat. The question came to mind here recently, should a person go to church if they can't afford to tithe? What if they can't afford to give anything?
... And pay to attend worship... paying for "indulgences" almost like the catholics do. Ugh :(
I highly question the theory of the tithe. The tithe in the OT was never about money - it was about giving to the poor, NOT to the 'church' to pay power bills and salaries. I do believe we are to give, don't get me wrong, but the tithe has been incorrectly taught thru the centuries and has become a strongly embedded doctrine of the church.

2 Cor 9:7 = "Everyone should give whatever they have decided in their heart. .... Each person should do as he has decided in his heart—not reluctantly or out of necessity"

Please read thru this article on the true tithe, even if just out of curiosity: Exposing The Tithe Lie

blessings
 
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Something to think about...

Pastors who use Malachi 3:8-10 want to make you feel like a "God robber" because you fail to tithe your money to the Church you attend.

When they preach on Abram, do they tell you he was a "God robber" too? If not, they should.

After all, Abram tithed the spoils of war to Melchizedek (Genesis 14:20) but did not tithe his own money (Genesis 13:2)

Why is it wrong for us today to not tithe our money, but perfectly acceptable for Abram to not tithe his?
 
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