Kris10leigh
Actively seeking conversion
I agree, and yet if you can get past the emotions and the anger it has been a fascinating discussion!
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I agree, and yet if you can get past the emotions and the anger it has been a fascinating discussion!I've followed this thread for a while. I have been hesitant to post because, after reading the thread, I perceive this subject as being fraught with anger and emotion.
I agree, and yet if you can get past the emotions and the anger it has been a fascinating discussion!I'm glad you joined us!
Gee I wonder who the angry people are you are refering too??????I agree, and yet if you can get past the emotions and the anger it has been a fascinating discussion!I'm glad you joined us!
Hey now...Gee I wonder who the angry people are you are refering too??????
yea that's why people avoid discussing religon and politics. probably none of us in here would discuss these things face to face, the ananimoty of the internet enables us, which can be positive or negative, depending on what we make of it. However some exercise more self control than others in here and in real life.Hey now...
I didn't refer to any angry person in particular. But something about religious discussions tends to bring about anger.
yea that's why people avoid discussing religon and politics. probably none of us in here would discuss these things face to face, the ananimoty of the internet enables us, which can be positive or negative, depending on what we make of it. However some exercise more self control than others in here and in real life.
Hi Virtual Girl. You see, Simonline has a lot of Jealousy for the truth. Yet statements like the above completely throw me off. And when i ask questions concerning those statements, he feels like i'm personally attacking him, and considers me as not wanting to make any honest efforts in understanding, thus all my arguments are discarded with a nice big and bold heretic.I've followed this thread for a while. I have been hesitant to post because, after reading the thread, I perceive this subject as being fraught with anger and emotion.
Anyway, I am not here to dissuade anyone from their interpretation of Scripture. I just have a sincere question.
Simonline you said:
This is very confusing to me. You are talking about Jesus and the Messiah as if they are two separate persons.
You said the Messiah is Jesus of Nazareth. I understand that and agree. But, what I don't understand are your other points:
1. Jesus isn't Divine he's only human, but the Messiah is both Divine and human.
2. Jesus is not God, but the Messiah is both God and man.
How can Jesus be both Divine, yet not Divine; not God, yet both God and man?
I am not trying to start an argument, I sincerely want to understand your reasoning.
Hi Virtual Girl. You see, Simonline has a lot of Jealousy for the truth. Yet statements like the above completely throw me off. And when i ask questions concerning those statements, he feels like i'm personally attacking him, and considers me as not wanting to make any honest efforts in understanding, thus all my arguments are discarded with a nice big and bold heretic.
YeshuamySalvation said:What i think he wants to say with the above is an illusion to the fact that Mashiyach is said to literally be in the bosom of the Father present tense, while simultaneously being on earth at the time John 1:18!
YeshuamySalvation said:But the fact that the text reads as such, only means that Yeshua was actually divine and human, not that he was both not divine and man, while simultaneously being eternally divine and man!
OOps, i think we made a mistake. i am not Simonline, i am Yeshua My Salvation. I would also love to understand what does Simonline actually mean when he makes statements as such!
I'm not trying to attack you, Simonline. I just want to understand.
Mashiyach is Yeshua. And when he walked the earth he was both completely man and completely God, not eternally human and eternally divine, while in his temporal state he was only human and not divine.[ (Now, take me by the hand and walk me slowly through this.)
Who is "Mashiyach" and how does he differ from Yeshua?
OOps, i think we made a mistake. i am not Simonline, i am Yeshua My Salvation. I would also love to understand what does Simonline actually mean when he makes statements as such!
Mashiyach is Yeshua. And when he walked the earth he was both completely man and completely God, not eternally human and eternally divine, while in his temporal state he was only human and not divine.
Yes certainly, Mashiyach should be translated as anointed and Yeshua which is transliterated into the Greek as Ishu should be translated as Salvation, for he is our Salvation!Oh, my. I realized that you might think my comment to Simonline was meant for you so I deleted it -- apparently too late. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
If Mashiyach and Yeshua are the same person, does each name convey a different meaning?
What you are promoting is very similar to Nestorianism which is a heresy. You are saying that Jesus was not God in his Temporal state only human. Meaning that as Nesterious argued that Jesus divinity was separated from his humanity which makes it two different beings with separate natures, You are also arguing that Christ was not God nor divine only man. Your argument as Nesterious arguments posses a serious threat on the atonement because if Jesus was only a man while the heavenly Messiah was divine, then we can never tell if the real Messiah truly suffered for the sins of the world. You are separating there natures with your argument as Nesterious did! Your line of argumentation is not biblical, it's heretical and dangerous! Take a look at the below link and reconsider this.No, because Jesus is NOT God. It is the Messiah who is both God and man (Divine and human). As Divine, the Messiah is YHWH (the one (and only) true God), whilst, as human, the Messiah is Jesus of Nazareth.
Do point fingers at others when your argumentation has also been considered a heresy, it is a remodified form of Nestorianism, but it is still Nestorianism.Simonline said:No! It doesn't! That's what the heretics want you to think, but it isn't true. You are very easily mislead.
What you are promoting is very similar to Nestorianism which is a heresy. You are saying that Jesus was not God in his Temporal state only human. Meaning that as Nesterious argued that Jesus divinity was separated from his humanity which makes it two different beings with separate natures, You are also arguing that Christ was not God nor divine only man. Your argument as Nesterious arguments posses a serious threat on the atonement because if Jesus was only a man while the heavenly Messiah was divine, then we can never tell if the real Messiah truly suffered for the sins of the world. You are separating there natures with your argument as Nesterious did! Your line of argumentation is not biblical, it's heretical and dangerous! Take a look at the below link and reconsider this.
I as Nesterious, would also refuse to call Mary Theotokos for she is not the mother of God. God is form everlasting to everlasting, without beginning and without ending. God did not originate from Mary. It was the pagan belief in Semiramis as the mother of the Sun god that was adopted by Christianity and incorporated into there doctrine only disguised as Mary the Mother of God. It's like they say, when someone has built a gorgeous castle out of there teachings, those who come with something totally out of the ordinary are seen strange for they are destroying that castle from it's very foundation, no one wants there beautiful castle to be uprooted.Link said:
We are going to discuss this when you get home from work. Nesterious didn't have it alright just like many of us still don't. Those who think they have it all correct are the ones that need to analyze further. I learn something new about scripture everyday, it maybe true of everyone else here as well!Do point fingers at others when your argumentation has also been considered a heresy, it is a remodified form of Nestorianism, but it is still Nestorianism.
ah trinity turning in on itself. one brand of trinity is heretical the other isn't. Can't wait to see simonline respond by calling you a heretic as proof that you are wrong. But then heresy isn't a biblicall word so it don't matter if anyone goes hog wild calling people heretics to prove trinity, cause it means nothing in the eyes of God.What you are promoting is very similar to Nestorianism which is a heresy. You are saying that Jesus was not God in his Temporal state only human. Meaning that as Nesterious argued that Jesus divinity was separated from his humanity which makes it two different beings with separate natures, You are also arguing that Christ was not God nor divine only man. Your argument as Nesterious arguments posses a serious threat on the atonement because if Jesus was only a man while the heavenly Messiah was divine, then we can never tell if the real Messiah truly suffered for the sins of the world. You are separating there natures with your argument as Nesterious did! Your line of argumentation is not biblical, it's heretical and dangerous! Take a look at the below link and reconsider this.
http://i-cias.com/e.o/nestorianism.htm
Do point fingers at others when your argumentation has also been considered a heresy, it is a remodified form of Nestorianism, but it is still Nestorianism.
Well, we still get along just fine with our differences. The fact that you and your wife are completely in accord on doctrine doesn't mean you have the correct doctrine. I have many Mormon friends that are married and are completely in accord doctrinally with there wives. Of-course that doesn't mean they have the true doctrine! The same applies to Jehovah's Witness and many other sects in Christianity and Judaism.my wife and me are in 100 percent accord on doctrine. course that's cause we got the correct doctrine and you guys don't, but that's another topic.
You know you felt like saying thatah never mind
Personally I find it absoutely amazing that any one could possibly believe the trinity. It just boggles my mind that intelligent people could and do buy into it.Just to throw in my two cents on partnership of doctrines...
My husband and I do not agree about the trinity. He does believe in the trinity and I do not. But I have done a lot more research than he!
Oh, I don't know. That's a bit harsh. The church teaches trinity. If it isn't there already, it's imprinted on the brain in the 8th grade in confirmation classes, the age that just precedes the questioning of authority. I remember it well. I DID question authority. I didn't understand back then and I asked questions and for this was not allowed to come back to confirmation class!Personally I find it absoutely amazing that any one could possibly believe the trinity. It just boggles my mind that intelligent people could and do buy into it.
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