We hear all the time how America is a Christian nation. Yet they seem to tolerate immoral behavior. Would it be moral for Christians to vanquish immoral people and be intolerant towards immoral behavior?
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Should unGodly be vanquished?
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Perhaps because America does tolerate so-called immoral behavior is proof that we're not a Christian nation.
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It would not be moral. Police the morals of those within the Church. Leave the others alone.
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
The Holy Bible : English Standard Version. Wheaton : Standard Bible Society, 2001, S. 1 Co 5:12-13
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
The Holy Bible : English Standard Version. Wheaton : Standard Bible Society, 2001, S. 1 Co 5:12-13
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Forcing non-beleivers to act as Christians in a Christian society with Christian morals is perfectly moral and advisable. Heathens can practice their own sins, just not where civilised society can see.
Who knows, maybe some ofour good behavior and morals will rub off on them.
Who knows, maybe some ofour good behavior and morals will rub off on them.
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Given your narrow definition of Christianity, I don't think America has been a Christian nation for a very long time.
The vast majority are pro divorce rights, pro sex before marriage, pro religious tolerance, even pro abortion rights. I assume you would consider these things Satanic rather then acceptable.
Maybe it's you who is the outsider in your nation. Maybe you should find a new place to live.
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Electric Skeptic
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No, it's not.
You can practice your own religion, just not where civilised society can see.
You don't evidence any good behaviour or morals to rub off on anyone.
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I don't have sex with other men, I don't promote blasphemy and idolotry, I promote family values, biblical values, I show love to sinners, and don't unduely judge them, I dont fornicate, I don't have abortions, I don't clone people, I don['t look at porn, I don't have sex with kids, I don't produce kiddy porn, I don't kill people, I don't rape people, I don't have sex with dogs, and toasters, and I don't have sex with the Sunday apple pie.
That just shows how christians need to be whipped into shape, and the church taken back from the clutches of Satan.
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Electric Skeptic
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Funny, your profile says you're female.
Good for you. At least some of the above are lies; most of the rest almost everyone does. Big deal.
No, it shows how ludicrous your position is.
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I don't promote blasphemy, I do promote family values (although my view of family is quite different from yours), I love my fellow man, I try not to judge others, I don't fornicate (my fiance is away), I don't have the power to clone, I don't have sex with kids, I am against kiddy porn, I don't kill people or animals, I don't rape people, I don't have sex with my dog or my toaster (how could I), and I have never put my area near a Sunday apple pie. I don't see much difference between us.
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It does???? There's an error with my Opera web browser, and none of the little forum images are coming up anymore. I didn't know my gender was listed wrong...whoops.
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Electric Skeptic
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It says you're a 17 year old female who is a supporter of the constitution.
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Hi, I do note your age and that might be part of why you are writing such.
I am a Christian and I can tell you that non Christians can be as moral and a better lover of their neighbor than Christians.
If you are fortunate in life you will meet non christians with morals that will rub off on you. Christians are not the only ones with morals.
We are all sinners.
1st John said:
Further God never asked non Christians to live as Christians are called to live.
You also were once without God, have you forgotten this?
Knowing that I would think would make one more compassionate than anything, but really, no, knowing Christ ought make one more compassionate.
Don't you realize that all Christians sin?
Forcing people to act like Christians is moral?
Jesus never forced anyone to act like him, why would you?
He would never want any to be forced into acting like Him, though some have tried to do so.
Anyway, I pray as you read the bible that your eyes to things you are now missing be opened and take away the prejudice you have towards non Christians.
The following means if you put yourself above others, you will be humbled, meaning God will humble you, and whoever, is humble, will be exalted, meaning God will exalt them.
He that is the least shall be called the greatest.
He that is servant to all will be called the greatest.
Read the story of Haman and Mordecai in the book of Esther.
Haman was so proud that he had gallows built and meant it for a person he hated or was prejudiced against.
Well, interestingly enough, Haman wound up being the one hung, on the very gallows he had ordered to be made for the person he hated. He had bragged to his family if i remember right how exalted he was going to be.
And funny thing to, all that Haman thought about the exaltation that was going to come his way, actually wound up coming to the one who he hated and wanted killed.
Anyway, point is we need be humble, not proud always seeking the good of others and pointing them towards Christ, not away.
I hope I wasn't too hard on you here, just found your post to be way off the mark.
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Renton405
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Either way they will be vanguished when they die in their state of mortal sin..For all eternity..then they will truely wonder why they did what they did, but only it will be too late..
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The United States is not a Christian nation. I'm fairly certain it will never be a Christian nation.
It would very immoral for Christians to 'vanquish' anybody.
Christians are sinners like any other and capable of being immoral and many do immoral things.
We all sin.
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Plus Christians don't adminster the justice. God does.. Christians are people who simply fear God and follow Christ.. We are not the Police or on some bountry hunter mission..yes there are punishments on earth for murder and rape .. but the true full Justice comes in the afterlife from God.. Because true justice only comes from God..
The Justice will be administered by God in the afterlife to the reprobate.. The only thing we can do is pray for them and hope they will turn around before its too late..
The Justice will be administered by God in the afterlife to the reprobate.. The only thing we can do is pray for them and hope they will turn around before its too late..
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