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[Flynmonkie]

now that's a group i've never heard of! who are they????

A very basic form of Anabaptists...

Hutterite



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Like the two best-known Anabaptist denominations, the Amish and the Mennonites, the Hutterites had their beginnings in the Radical Reformation of the 16th Century. Originating in the Austrian province of Tyrol, the forerunners of the Hutterites migrated to Bohemia to escape persecution. There, under the leadership of Jakob Hutter, they developed the communal form of living which is based on 2 Corinthians in the Bible which distinguishes them from other Anabaptists.

In Bohemia, the Hutterites flourished for over a century, until renewed persecution forced them once again to migrate*:first to Transylvania, then in the early 18th Century, to Russia. In Russia, the Hutterites enjoyed relative prosperity, although their distinctive communal life was suppressed by the influence of the neighboring Mennonites.

In the 19th Century, when the Russian authorities demanded that the Hutterites participate in military service, there occurred the final great migration, as three waves of Hutterite emigrants left for the New World.

Named for the leaders of each wave, the three groupings (the Schmiedeleut, Dariusleut, and Lehrerleut) settled in various parts of the United States (primarily the Dakotas and Montana) and Canada (primarily Manitoba and Saskatchewan). Here each group re-established the traditional Hutterite communal life style. For a few years in the early 1950s, and from 1974 to 1990, the Arnoldleut (or Bruderhof Communities) were recognized as Hutterites.

During the First World War, the pacifist Hutterites suffered persecution in the United States, resulting in the emigration of many of the Schmiedeleut to Canada. With the passage of laws protecting conscientious objectors, however, many ultimately returned.

The Hutterites practice total community of goods: that is, all property is owned by the church, and individual members and their families are provided for out of the common resources. This practice is based largely on their interpretation of passages in Acts chapters 2 and 4, which speak of the believers "having all things in common."

Hutterite communities, called "colonies", are all rural, and depend largely on farming for their income. Each colony consists of a number of families, up to about one hundred people. When a colony exceeds this number, half the members are chosen by lot to "branch off" and form a new colony, with the financial assistance of the mother colony.

As with the Amish and Mennonites who often use Pennsylvania German, the Hutterites have preserved a distinctive dialect of German known as Hutterite German.

* Some Hutterites converted to Catholicism, and retained a separate ethnic identity in Slovakia as the Habaner through the 19th Century. By the end of the Second World War, this group had become essentially extinct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterites

Further information on the Hutterites can be found at http://hutterites.org/

 

[Plan 9]

now that's a group i've never heard of! who are they????

The Hutterian Brethren, also called the Hutterites, are Anabaptists, like the Amish and the Mennonites.
They regard 1528 as their founding date when a group of their ancestors, religious refugees fleeing persecution decided to hold what possessions they had in common.
They migrated to South Dakota in about 1872 from the Ukraine, which passed in that year a new military act which caused them and other groups of ethnic German religious pacifists, such as Mennonites and Doukhobours living there to also relocate to North America.
The Bretheren hold a large group farm in common, and start a new settlement when the population of the old one reaches about 130 people.
They live very strict Christian lifes, but are reared to do so from an early age, and they are quite happy. The very, very few who do leave, when questioned about a change in churches, almost unanimously reply, "If I ever wish to be a Christian again, I will return home."
They're fascinating people, very nice and very sociable, as well as being good people who do not seem to find their strict (by our standards) Chrsitian life onerous at all, and I would like to read even more about them than I have. They truly live in the world without being of it, which sometimes brings hardship on them, and I admire that.
I could write more about them, but I don't want to bore you.

 

[Plan 9]

A very basic form of Anabaptists...

Hutterite



(Redirected from Hutterites)

Like the two best-known Anabaptist denominations, the Amish and the Mennonites, the Hutterites had their beginnings in the Radical Reformation of the 16th Century. Originating in the Austrian province of Tyrol, the forerunners of the Hutterites migrated to Bohemia to escape persecution. There, under the leadership of Jakob Hutter, they developed the communal form of living which is based on 2 Corinthians in the Bible which distinguishes them from other Anabaptists.

In Bohemia, the Hutterites flourished for over a century, until renewed persecution forced them once again to migrate*:first to Transylvania, then in the early 18th Century, to Russia. In Russia, the Hutterites enjoyed relative prosperity, although their distinctive communal life was suppressed by the influence of the neighboring Mennonites.

In the 19th Century, when the Russian authorities demanded that the Hutterites participate in military service, there occurred the final great migration, as three waves of Hutterite emigrants left for the New World.

Named for the leaders of each wave, the three groupings (the Schmiedeleut, Dariusleut, and Lehrerleut) settled in various parts of the United States (primarily the Dakotas and Montana) and Canada (primarily Manitoba and Saskatchewan). Here each group re-established the traditional Hutterite communal life style. For a few years in the early 1950s, and from 1974 to 1990, the Arnoldleut (or Bruderhof Communities) were recognized as Hutterites.

During the First World War, the pacifist Hutterites suffered persecution in the United States, resulting in the emigration of many of the Schmiedeleut to Canada. With the passage of laws protecting conscientious objectors, however, many ultimately returned.

The Hutterites practice total community of goods: that is, all property is owned by the church, and individual members and their families are provided for out of the common resources. This practice is based largely on their interpretation of passages in Acts chapters 2 and 4, which speak of the believers "having all things in common."

Hutterite communities, called "colonies", are all rural, and depend largely on farming for their income. Each colony consists of a number of families, up to about one hundred people. When a colony exceeds this number, half the members are chosen by lot to "branch off" and form a new colony, with the financial assistance of the mother colony.

As with the Amish and Mennonites who often use Pennsylvania German, the Hutterites have preserved a distinctive dialect of German known as Hutterite German.

* Some Hutterites converted to Catholicism, and retained a separate ethnic identity in Slovakia as the Habaner through the 19th Century. By the end of the Second World War, this group had become essentially extinct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterites

Further information on the Hutterites can be found at http://hutterites.org/

Flynmonkie! You always beat me to the really fun posts and yours are always better than mine! Why is that, Flynmonkie?!


Thanks for the great links!

 

[Flynmonkie]

They truly live in the world without being of it, which sometimes brings hardship on them, and I admire that.
I could write more about them, but I don't want to bore you.

Ekkk....sorry I answered for you! Did not know when you would return! I have studied many of these anabaptist sects as that I live very close to a prominantly Amish/Mennonite community. We are of like minds on this subject. I too admire their ways. Out of all denominations that are under my scrutany...these groups I find the least problems with. However, secluding ourselves from the world in such a manner that we do not share gospel with all...concerns me...as with some of the more closed sects..along with shunning etc..I also have great admiration of these lovely people, I have found most to be very nice too. But there are some, that do not and will not allow you into their circle....yet another issue..There is a great thread in the PRE forum...Anabaptist. Many questions have been answered and clarified there in case you have not seen it! We have some really neat Anabaptist members on the board!

 

[Plan 9]

Ekkk....sorry I answered for you!

I was a-teasin' ya, Flyn! I love your posts!

Besides, we old ladies just have to accustom ourselves to the fact that you youngins can kick us to the curb.

Did not know when you would return! I have studied many of these anabaptist sects as that I live very close to a prominantly Amish/Mennonite community. We are of like minds on this subject. I too admire their ways. Out of all denominations that are under my scrutany...these groups I find the least problems with. However, secluding ourselves from the world in such a manner that we do not share gospel with all...concerns me...as with some of the more closed sects..along with shunning etc..I also have great admiration of these lovely people, I have found most to be very nice too. But there are some, that do not and will not allow you into their circle....yet another issue..There is a great thread in the PRE forum...Anabaptist. Many questions have been answered and clarified there in case you have not seen it! We have some really neat Anabaptist members on the board![/QUOTE]
I've been following that thread and enjoy it very much. A Conservative Mennonite family helped my brother during a time so emotionally difficult for him that they may have saved his life. They also helped me. The Anabaptists I've met so far seem more than willing to talk about God to the "English" with whom they come in contact.
I saw zero shunning among the Conservative Mennonites I met in Iowa; this family invited Evangelical Mennonites for regular visits, so I met my first EMs there, too.
The Amish of Kolona, Iowa also seemed quite open to us English.
So far, my studies of the Hutterites have shown that they don't much need their shunning system, and some settlements are quite friendly with nearby townsfolk. In their case, I wonder if some are more closed in nature because of the hostility directed toward them by the more ignorant English.
Flynn, do you think it's possible that this varies from place to place?

In any case, I'm amazed at how low their statistics are for adultry (It's that beard! What a great idea!), for unwed mothers, etc., etc., etc.
The threat of shunning alone (the law) can't account for it, in my not-so-humble-opinion; there must be very real advantages to the way they live; real meaning and satisfaction in their lives.

 

[cadworm]

do you think copulation is necesarry for it to be considered adultery? i think a guy or gal can cheat in a LOT of hurtful, unfaithful ways that involve none of that at all. for example, my friends hubby will go and spend all his time with girls. almost all his friends are girls. he is two faced about whether he's "been" with them, his story changes as he sees fit. my friend has asked him to please stop spending all his time with them, but he wont. he spends time alone with them. there is no telling what is going on behind closed doors. if there had to be proof of copulation before it's considered adultery, then alot would slip through, yknow? how many times are ppls lives put at rist because of not knowing????

I will not argue that cheating either physically or emotionally is being unfaithful in a commited relationship. I was just using the term adultery as defined by Webster.

Main Entry: adul·tery
Pronunciation: &-'d&l-t(&-)rE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ter·ies
Etymology: Middle English, alteration of avoutrie, from Middle French, from Latin adulterium, from adulter adulterer, back-formation from adulterare
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband; also : an act of adultery

Mike

 

[Flynmonkie]

I was a-teasin' ya, Flyn! I love your posts!

Besides, we old ladies just have to accustom ourselves to the fact that you youngins can kick us to the curb.

Oh whatever!!

Flynn, do you think it's possible that this varies from place to place?

Yes just with any denomination, there are always bad apples. Actually someone broached this subject in that Anabaptist thread. There are some groups that will not even speak English to us. I do believe it is derived from "bad blood" handed down. Neahmiah Center posted, or tried to post a bit on this. It is a good read!

 

[Plan 9]

Oh whatever!!

I suppose I should stop teasing you one of these years?

Still, you are a much faster poster than I, Speedy Gonzales, and our relative ages is a factor. The fact that yours are often better, too, can be attributed to factors less enjoyable for me to contemplate.

Yes just with any denomination, there are always bad apples. Actually someone broached this subject in that Anabaptist thread. There are some groups that will not even speak English to us. I do believe it is derived from "bad blood" handed down. Neahmiah Center posted, or tried to post a bit on this. It is a good read!

And by "bad blood" you mean?

I've become a great fan of Pastor George's posts; he's both knowlegeable and good hearted...kinda like you.

Because my husband felt such a compulsion to commit adultery, I feel that better early training and better company would have been far more helpful than any law made against it; he broke others to behave in ways of less importance to him.

 

[Flynmonkie]

I suppose I should stop teasing you one of these years?
Still, you are a much faster poster than I, Speedy Gonzales, and our relative ages is a factor. The fact that yours are often better, too, can be attributed to factors less enjoyable for me to contemplate.

Oh yeah, did you notice how long it took me to respond. I am starting to show my age. I actually read it this mornign and thought I replied!
Not always better eek! I think so far I am just good at finding the information I need when I need it. But sometimes WHEW!

And by "bad blood" you mean?

Pastor George spoke of the Luthern, Protestant conflicts with the Anabaptist and vice versa. His church is trying to "build bridges" alot of resentment for past (present) percecutions and misconceptions on both ends I do believe...you know he started to speak of this but was inturrupted. So he could not get very far.

I've become a great fan of Pastor George's posts; he's both knowlegeable and good hearted...kinda like you.

No way, he is much more patient and controlled than I!

Because my husband felt such a compulsion to commit adultery, I feel that better early training and better company would have been far more helpful than any law made against it; he broke others to behave in ways of less importance to him.

This is exactly how I feel! People do not realize this. The type of people you surround yourself with are more than likely how you will form your thought process it seems. I am a firm believer you are the company you keep....my ex left home because of the same reasons. However we were younger, I was a doormat to him when everyone was out partying. I was saving money while other women were buying trendy fashions, I was taking care of the children and the home while others were out being adventurous single college students. I became boring. Laws of Marriage did not seem to work with him.....