Should The Big Bang Be Taught In Schools?

[hyburn]

There are many textbooks at my School which state that the "Big Bang" happened, but the problem is that these books don't back up their facts. They basically say "it happened" and then move on.

I personnally don't believe it should be taught in schools. The "Big Bang" is a Theory Not a fact.

I would love to know anyone elses opinions on this.

--Courtney

to be honest I think everything should be taught in schools. it gives children the truth and false testimony. if will show them the right way and the wrong way, and its up to them to take the right way. but only if they are teaching the truth about god.....and not just a 1 day lecture

 

[Dannager]

Again the evolutionists can't resist posting in a nonfellowship way where they are not allowed too. *sighs*

If you feel that this is so, you are advised to report rules violations to moderators. I personally feel that all comments in this thread have been very much so conducted in the manner of fellowship.

 

[shernren]

Take heed since the evolutionists have once again hijacked a thread in the Creationists only forum. To give you more information about using the evolution or big bang is only a theory arguement here is a quote from AIG. Also I don't want any evolutionists responding to this post. I don't have time to go around reporting people that can't follow simple rules.

But there hasn't been much of a creationist line of thought for this thread to be "hijacked" away from, though that might just be because us evolutionists are loud and rude and scary in any case, your displeasure is noted and I won't participate any more in the thread.

Well Courtney I think it's pretty brave of you to take on the Big Bang (I mean that in a positive sense of "brave") so I'm quite interested to see what you brought against it. From a quick glance I get the feeling that you may have mixed up (or "confuzzled" ) the Big Bang and the nebular hypothesis. We can't talk about it here but you could take it to Origins Theology, or through PM or even e-mail.

Oh, and welcome!

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Evolution should not be taught at tax payers expense in our schools. It is basically a religion. But it is. Yes, all views should be taught as to give the students both sides but we all know that it not the case. God is removed for foolish theories that are passed off as fact. Disturbing.

 

[shernren]

Sigh.

 

[Dannager]

Take heed since the evolutionists have once again hijacked a thread in the Creationists only forum. To give you more information about using the evolution or big bang is only a theory arguement here is a quote from AIG. Also I don't want any evolutionists responding to this post. I don't have time to go around reporting people that can't follow simple rules.

I think that AiG quotation is a good start towards a better understanding of scientific terminology.

 

[random_guy]

We used such points as the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics, and we used the conservation of angular momentum.
We also listed other problems associated with the Big Bang. Also we included our own opinions towards the subject.
We had a lot of Positive feedback towards the subject. And it was hard considering we had a good many conversations with all the judges and teachers ( most of them evolutionists).

I think I understand your arguments. When you refer to the 2nd Law, you mean that things can't go from chaos to order, right? With the formation of things such as stars and galaxies, that would be violating the 2nd Law, right? When you refer to the conservation of angular momentum, you're refering to how objects aren't spinning in the same direction, right? However, what's the 1st Law? That one, I'm not too familiar with.

Finally, I would love to hear about your own opinions on the subject. I'll be honest, I accept the BB theory, however, I'm always interested in hearing other arguments against it. How can there be dialogue if we don't try to understand the other side, or if we don't listen to the other side?

Also, don't worry, I won't be doing any debating in this thread or forum. I'm just very interested to hear about how you attempted just a huge topic for a science fair. My science fair project involved baking soda and vinger (I'm not kidding, either), so I'm impressed.

 

[Dannager]

I think I understand your arguments. When you refer to the 2nd Law, you mean that things can't go from chaos to order, right? With the formation of things such as stars and galaxies, that would be violating the 2nd Law, right? When you refer to the conservation of angular momentum, you're refering to how objects aren't spinning in the same direction, right? However, what's the 1st Law? That one, I'm not too familiar with.

Finally, I would love to hear about your own opinions on the subject. I'll be honest, I accept the BB theory, however, I'm always interested in hearing other arguments against it. How can there be dialogue if we don't try to understand the other side, or if we don't listen to the other side?

Also, don't worry, I won't be doing any debating in this thread or forum. I'm just very interested to hear about how you attempted just a huge topic for a science fair. My science fair project involved baking soda and vinger (I'm not kidding, either).

I'm interested in this as well. While I support Big Bang theory, I'm curious as to how the laws of thermodynamics enter into it. I'm not a physicist by any stretch, so this will probably be new ground for me.

 

[Mallon]

Pulled a newbie move. I withdraw this last remark!

 

[random_guy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I am new here, but isn't this a 'Christians only' forum; not 'Creationists only'? There is a big difference. Christian does not = Creationist.

This forum we're on currently is Creationist only. From what I understand, TEists can post here as long as they don't debate or argue. At least that's what I understand. If I'm wrong, hopefully a mod like Mark will let me know right away.

 

[Mallon]

This forum we're on currently is Creationist only. From what I understand, TEists can post here as long as they don't debate or argue. At least that's what I understand. If I'm wrong, hopefully a mod like Mark will let me know right away.

Aye, I just caught that. Easy to get lost in all these subforums. Not easy forums to use with all the flash and whiz-bang.

 

[Pats]

There are many textbooks at my School which state that the "Big Bang" happened, but the problem is that these books don't back up their facts. They basically say "it happened" and then move on.

I personnally don't believe it should be taught in schools. The "Big Bang" is a Theory Not a fact.

I would love to know anyone elses opinions on this.

--Courtney

It's a very good point that hypothesis and theories should never be presented as factual, especially not in schools.

Lack of explination on the Big Bang really doesn't help students learn anything, but someone's opinion. It's not the same as 2+2=4, and shouldn't be presented as such.

Personally, I only know the basics about the Big Bang hypothesis. I'd love to hear more about your project.

 

[Courtney17]

Well, Random_guy, The first law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Some say it was a weak argument, which i can see their points and it probably was. Now i'm not a scientist (..yet..) and therefore my knowledge of the subject is very little. But in order for things to explode doesn't there have to be something there to compact it together? Now it makes more sense to me to think someone put it there for a reason than to think it randomly appeared.
Your quite right with the 2nd law of Thermodynamics, things in chaos cannot turn to order. It's actually the opposite, For example - You clean a room spotless, and then leave it for 30 odd years. When you re enter the room, theres going to be dust and your nice furniture is going to break if you attempt to sit on it. From my knowledge evolutionists believe that things are actually evolving from a lower state into something advanced. I've had arguments from people saying that a flower starts out as a seedling and then flourishes and that defy's this law, but that is not the case. the flower is growing - not evolving.
Yes and your right with the Angular momentum. This law states that if an object is spinning when it explodes the fragments from that explosion would spin in the same direction. But how does this explain Venus, Pluto, And Uranus? They are all spinning in retrograde motion (not the way the theoretically should be ) , Evolutionists argue that great cosmic forces hit these planets causing them to stop and start spinning the other way. If this was the case , the force needed would be ENORMOUS! and there would be chunks upon chunks taken out of these planets. But theres venus , and that planet is almost perfectly spherical.


And For the record i appreciate any post, just dont be to harsh, I'm only 17 and have a lot of learning to do!

 

[Courtney17]

It's a very good point that hypothesis and theories should never be presented as factual, especially not in schools.

Lack of explination on the Big Bang really doesn't help students learn anything, but someone's opinion. It's not the same as 2+2=4, and shouldn't be presented as such.

Personally, I only know the basics about the Big Bang hypothesis. I'd love to hear more about your project.

No they definitely shouldn't . Theres a class at school ( well there used to be ) Called Ancient History, and that taught many theorys, and then they got rid of it and changed it to Canadian history, which basically tells us about the First nations etc. Stuff I already know.
If they want to put things in our textbooks like that ( and these textbooks were made in the 80's ) they should definitely back it up with whatever knowledge and proof they have. If they can't back it up then it doesn't deserve to be in a textbook.

Thanks for your interest in my project, as with everyones interest , I appreciate it =D, and you can find some details above.

--Courtney

 

[Courtney17]

Well Courtney I think it's pretty brave of you to take on the Big Bang (I mean that in a positive sense of "brave") so I'm quite interested to see what you brought against it. From a quick glance I get the feeling that you may have mixed up (or "confuzzled" ) the Big Bang and the nebular hypothesis. We can't talk about it here but you could take it to Origins Theology, or through PM or even e-mail.

Oh, and welcome!

Thank you very much , Yes it was quite a brave act, but i dont think it was fair that grade 11's were judged with the grade 9's. But anyways, thats just how our school is =(.
If you feel i have made any mistake you are more than welcome to Pm or email me at courtneyatkinson132@gmail.com , i would appreciate it =D

--Courtney

 

[KerrMetric]

Well, Random_guy, The first law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Some say it was a weak argument, which i can see their points and it probably was. Now i'm not a scientist (..yet..) and therefore my knowledge of the subject is very little. But in order for things to explode doesn't there have to be something there to compact it together? Now it makes more sense to me to think someone put it there for a reason than to think it randomly appeared.
Your quite right with the 2nd law of Thermodynamics, things in chaos cannot turn to order. It's actually the opposite, For example - You clean a room spotless, and then leave it for 30 odd years. When you re enter the room, theres going to be dust and your nice furniture is going to break if you attempt to sit on it. From my knowledge evolutionists believe that things are actually evolving from a lower state into something advanced. I've had arguments from people saying that a flower starts out as a seedling and then flourishes and that defy's this law, but that is not the case. the flower is growing - not evolving.
Yes and your right with the Angular momentum. This law states that if an object is spinning when it explodes the fragments from that explosion would spin in the same direction. But how does this explain Venus, Pluto, And Uranus? They are all spinning in retrograde motion (not the way the theoretically should be ) , Evolutionists argue that great cosmic forces hit these planets causing them to stop and start spinning the other way. If this was the case , the force needed would be ENORMOUS! and there would be chunks upon chunks taken out of these planets. But theres venus , and that planet is almost perfectly spherical.


And For the record i appreciate any post, just dont be to harsh, I'm only 17 and have a lot of learning to do!

According to forum rules we cannot address this here.

 

[chaoschristian]

Courtney17

I recommend that you go onto the general Origins Theology forum and search out a couple of recent threads on the 2nd law of thermodynamics posted by an engineer and phycisist. He went to great lengths to explain very complex concepts in layman terms.

Its a very good read.

 

[Dannager]

Well, Random_guy, The first law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Some say it was a weak argument, which i can see their points and it probably was. Now i'm not a scientist (..yet..) and therefore my knowledge of the subject is very little. But in order for things to explode doesn't there have to be something there to compact it together? Now it makes more sense to me to think someone put it there for a reason than to think it randomly appeared.
Your quite right with the 2nd law of Thermodynamics, things in chaos cannot turn to order. It's actually the opposite, For example - You clean a room spotless, and then leave it for 30 odd years. When you re enter the room, theres going to be dust and your nice furniture is going to break if you attempt to sit on it. From my knowledge evolutionists believe that things are actually evolving from a lower state into something advanced. I've had arguments from people saying that a flower starts out as a seedling and then flourishes and that defy's this law, but that is not the case. the flower is growing - not evolving.
Yes and your right with the Angular momentum. This law states that if an object is spinning when it explodes the fragments from that explosion would spin in the same direction. But how does this explain Venus, Pluto, And Uranus? They are all spinning in retrograde motion (not the way the theoretically should be ) , Evolutionists argue that great cosmic forces hit these planets causing them to stop and start spinning the other way. If this was the case , the force needed would be ENORMOUS! and there would be chunks upon chunks taken out of these planets. But theres venus , and that planet is almost perfectly spherical.


And For the record i appreciate any post, just dont be to harsh, I'm only 17 and have a lot of learning to do!

A wonderful post, and something that I would enjoy discussing. However, we're not allowed to post anything other than fellowship comments in this subforum. It'd be awesome if you re-posted this to a thread in the main Origins Theology board.

 

[KerrMetric]

A wonderful post, and something that I would enjoy discussing. However, we're not allowed to post anything other than fellowship comments in this subforum. It'd be awesome if you re-posted this to a thread in the main Origins Theology board.

She PM'd me this and I responded.

 

[Dannager]

She PM'd me this and I responded.

Oh, good. As long as there's discussion going on all is well.