Should schools combat toxic masculinity?

[rjs330]

Here's an article about those thinking we need to combat toxic masculinity. One of the things I noticed was that it mentions that toxic masculinity is involved in cultural thoughts on masculinity such as violence and sex along with position.

Do you think our culture overall today defines masculinity as this? Our are there just certain cultures that do?

Professor calls for ‘toxic masculinity’ training in children as young as kindergarten-aged

 

[St_Worm2]

Author Christina Hoff Sommers has written on this very subject. She's interviewed here by Carlson (who lays out some of the pertinent facts prior to talking to her) . It's worth a listen IMHO.

 

[SolomonVII]

Estrogen injections for males starting in kindergarten would be about the only way to fight masculinity, once it is defined as being toxic
The Bible does not make a point of fighting the fact that boys are boys and girls are girls, but redirects male hypersexuality into list after list of begating children

The 'cure' for toxic masculinity is fatherhood And without mothers, the possibility of fatherhood is slim.

 

[FireDragon76]

There's a difference between confronting false machismo and turning boys into girls.

As a progressive who plays video games, I see plenty of machismo. People that throw a fit if you raise a question as to why there are no women represented in a particular game for instance (despite it being authentic to do so). There's too much of a regressive macho mentality that doesn't even reflect reality.

 

[dreadnought]

Here's an article about those thinking we need to combat toxic masculinity. One of the things I noticed was that it mentions that toxic masculinity is involved in cultural thoughts on masculinity such as violence and sex along with position.

Do you think our culture overall today defines masculinity as this? Our are there just certain cultures that do?

Professor calls for ‘toxic masculinity’ training in children as young as kindergarten-aged

I believe schools should combat immoral sex and unnecessary violence. Men are, by nature, masculine.

 

[SolomonVII]

Toxic feminism, which has led to the biggest holocaust in human history, the holocaust of the unborn, defines the violence of our age. The violence associated with males has been on a steady decrease for years now, and likely even for centuries.

 

[keith99]

Over the years I have used Boys and Girls in a British sense. Perhaps playing Rugby got the Olde Boys for over 45 years had something to do with that.

I only recall one person taking issue with my usage. A female who who took issue with my calling close female friends girls. She insisted this was insulting to them as there was a huge difference between girls and women.

The kicker was what this difference was in her mind, women had sexual experience, girls had not. The same for men vrs. boys in her book.

There are toxic ideas that sexual activity corresponds to maturity is as toxic as it gets. But looking to pin toxic ideas to either masculinity or femininity is almost as bad.

 

[SolomonVII]

I believe schools should combat immoral sex and unnecessary violence. Men are, by nature, masculine.

The saying is that if you clean out one demon, seven will rush in to take its place. Moralizing only works if the professors want to give positive alternatives. The mantras of the sexual revolution, make love not war, follow your bliss, and natural sexual desires are the path to fulfillment, contradicts the idea that immoral hyper sexuality is even possible.
Maybe the professor really is an advocate of a male sexual morality that Christians can sign onto.
Personally, I think that the moon being made of blue cheese is a more likely scenario than all that.
Then again, Jordan Peterson is a professor who has become wildly popular among young men giving them a message to man up and take responsibility.
A positive masculinity like that resonates with young men much more than a message that men need to become more feminized and in touch with their inner emotional feminine side.

 

[SolomonVII]

Over the years I have used Boys and Girls in a British sense. Perhaps playing Rugby got the Olde Boys for over 45 years had something to do with that.

I only recall one person taking issue with my usage. A female who who took issue with my calling close female friends girls. She insisted this was insulting to them as there was a huge difference between girls and women.

The kicker was what this difference was in her mind, women had sexual experience, girls had not. The same for men vrs. boys in her book.

There are toxic ideas that sexual activity corresponds to maturity is as toxic as it gets. But looking to pin toxic ideas to either masculinity or femininity is almost as bad.

The word police, insisting that they are the arbiters of what word usages have acceptable and which are not, are a particularly loathsome breed of human being.

 

[RDKirk]

Here's an article about those thinking we need to combat toxic masculinity. One of the things I noticed was that it mentions that toxic masculinity is involved in cultural thoughts on masculinity such as violence and sex along with position.

Do you think our culture overall today defines masculinity as this? Our are there just certain cultures that do?

Professor calls for ‘toxic masculinity’ training in children as young as kindergarten-aged

A lot of the people talking about "toxic masculinity" really mean to say that masculinity is toxic, per se, and those people are likely to be the ones writing that curriculum.

 

[dreadnought]

The saying is that if you clean out one demon, seven will rush in to take its place. Moralizing only works if the professors want to give positive alternatives. The mantras of the sexual revolution, make love not war, follow your bliss, and natural sexual desires are the path to fulfillment, contradicts the idea that immoral hyper sexuality is even possible.
Maybe the professor really is an advocate of a male sexual morality that Christians can sign onto.
Personally, I think that the moon being made of blue cheese is a more likely scenario than all that.
Then again, Jordan Peterson is a professor who has become wildly popular among young men giving them a message to man up and take responsibility.
A positive masculinity like that resonates with young men much more than a message that men need to become more feminized and in touch with their inner emotional feminine side.

I had difficulty following that. I was agreeing with two points in the op - that sexual immorality and unnecessary violence should be combated in school. At the same time I was pointing out that men are masculine (and women feminine).

 

[Babe Ruth]

My opinion, eradicating masculinity is part of the Western World's ongoing cultural suicide..
No healthy, ascendant society works to erase masculinity. It's tragic.

 

[rambot]

My peoblem with this is several fold

1. Why does this have to be gendered? Why not just talk to them about not being a holes?


2. If it has to be gendered. Can we also talk to young girls about not growing up and being absolutely vicious to other girls?
I know many women who cant stand being around women because of how "girls are".

Females have higher rates of attempted suicide. And id wonder if the impetous for those thoughts is due to treatment feom males or females

 

[DeficitDemolition]

No such thing as "toxic masculinity", masculinity is not toxic. Period.

 

[DeficitDemolition]

No such thing as "toxic masculinity", masculinity is not toxic. Period.

Addendum: Public schools are a waste, been there done that. Firm believer in homeschooling.

 

[Desk trauma]

I believe schools should combat immoral sex and unnecessary violence.

Whose definition of sexual morality?

 

[CounterView]

I wrote this on other forum and I'll write it again here, I think concepts of masculinity and femininity are fallacious, this concept of "toxic masculinity" has been invented by shameless feminists, who still want boys and men to open doors, etc but don't want boys and men to oppose what a girl or woman wants.

 

[rambot]

I cry. Its good to cry. Its toxic and unhelpful to tell boys not o cry

 

[CounterView]

I cry. Its good to cry. Its toxic and unhelpful to tell boys not o cry

There are limits to what crying achieve.

 

[SolomonVII]

I had difficulty following that. I was agreeing with two points in the op - that sexual immorality and unnecessary violence should be combated in school. At the same time I was pointing out that men are masculine (and women feminine).

I have no reason to believe that you were not pointing that out. If you think that I did not read that in your post, you certainly are not following the gist of the commentary I made on your post.
The larger point that I was making was that by being against violence and immoral sexuality, like the professor of the OP is, that in no way means that we are all in basic agreement with him. Labeling masculinity as toxic requires that healthy modes of masculinity be defined, and what the professor defines as healthy morality is boys getting in touch with their inner feminine side and being able to cry like a girl. To define masculinity in that way is pure nonsense.