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Slavery was written out of the country's legal code by a Constitutional Amendment.There's those like me who count on it being overturned because it is grossly immoral, just as slavery (as we referred to it back then) eventually found itself being written out of this country's legal existence for the same reason. Here's to hoping that the new slavery of abortion- which dehumanizes the unborn to the level of property (or worse)- is eradicated before Jesus comes again.
I don't think we ought to be insulting a woman dead to us (but alive in Christ) in a discussion on morality.I don't think we ought to be quoting that vile, vile woman in a discussion about ethics or morality.
Yes, I'm aware- does that nullify what I said about slavery being immoral?Slavery was written out of the country's legal code by a Constitutional Amendment.
It's hardly irrelevant. A country can choose to support a genocide, or stand against it. This is actually an abundantly relevant issue.I can't. You didn't include option 3: it is entirely irrelevant.
States like Alabama and Missouri are already in the process of removing their one and only abortion clinic. Once it's gone what difference does it make if abortion is legal or not in a State if there's no one that can perform said abortion in said state?
Meanwhile overturning Roe vs Wade just devolves the question to the States, so it will also have 0 impact on the more liberal states.
It's hardly irrelevant. A country can choose to support a genocide, or stand against it. This is actually an abundantly relevant issue.
Abortion is murder of the innocents, period.
I believe in original sin and Ps 51:5, but murder was not given by God for mankind to perform against...ok, the defenseless ones. (that is what I meant by 'innocent ones'.)Except for Christians who believe in Original Sin and Psalm 51:5. To them saying abortion is murder of innocents is heresy for cheap political points.
No. If there is really a movement to ban abortions, then they can get a Constitutional Amendment passed to outlaw it instead fo relying on judicial activism and making a mockery of the rule of law.
The people made a mistake with the 18th amendment and the people decided to repeal it. It was a political decision made by the people and when they realized they made a mistake, they used the proper process to reverse it. It wasn't 9 unelected Justices deciding that alcohol should be outlawed and then a different group of justices deciding that it should be legalized. The law shouldn't shift just based on the whims of the SCOTUS. If they make a mistake, the proper process is to change the law using the designed methods. Otherwise, the rule of law means nothing because you never know what the law is or is going to be. That's why we have stare decisis.I strongly recommend studying the fate of the 18th Amendment and existence of the 21st Amendment. It would be like that, with confusion over what is and is not legal and managing to break the law anyway. A Supreme Court ruling is not making a mockery of the law; adding a Constitutional Amendment is.
If abortion is legal, and a woman can choose to have an abortion if she doesn't want a child, even if the man wants the child, then men who don't want a child but the women choose to have the child anyways shouldn't be held accountable for child support. Fair is fair.
The people made a mistake with the 18th amendment and the people decided to repeal it. It was a political decision made by the people and when they realized they made a mistake, they used the proper process to reverse it. It wasn't 9 unelected Justices deciding that alcohol should be outlawed and then a different group of justices deciding that it should be legalized. The law shouldn't shift just based on the whims of the SCOTUS. If they make a mistake, the proper process is to change the law using the designed methods. Otherwise, the rule of law means nothing because you never know what the law is or is going to be. That's why we have stare decisis.
I didn't say anything about conservatives vs liberals.I think it should be noted that it isn't just conservative Christians who oppose abortion. There are also liberal Christians like myself who oppose abortion and there are non-Christians who oppose abortion.
First, please vote in the poll.
Second, please give your reasons for voting the way you did.
Third, let's avoid the usual ad nauseam attacks of previous abortion discussion threads.
And that includes, but not limited to the following accusations of: "If pro-lifers did this or if pro-lifers did that..." or "If pro-choice people did this or if pro-choice people did that..." We know that discussing abortion can be a very heated and emotional debate. We also know that the legality of abortion will probably be challenged in the Supreme Court in the near future. And with being said, I'm hoping we can set aside our differences and discuss the abortion issue in a civil and respectful manner.
I would prefer a constitutional amendment granting rights to the unborn and making any law which legalizes abortions for any reason other than medical necessity unconstitutional.so which is it? Either it is up yo the state or not.
I would prefer a constitutional amendment granting rights to the unborn and making any law which legalizes abortions for any reason other than medical necessity unconstitutional.
Well...according to an article from the Washington Examiner the answer is 0%.What are the current statistics (percentage) concerning abortion being a medical necessity? I'm not asking to be argumentative. I'd like to see these statistics posted here in my thread. Thank you.
Well...according to an article from the Washington Examiner the answer is 0%.
Abortion is never medically necessary
And according to lifenews.com, over 30,000 doctors agree.
https://www.lifenews.com/2019/03/05...r-medically-necessary-to-save-a-mothers-life/
So like I said, i am willing to make a compromise to allow abortions only if they are a medical necessity...which is none. But at least some in the pro-choice crowd will feel better about it.
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