I'm sola-scripture as well. I look at the writings of Sr. White as a "lesser-light" and I'll leave it at that lest I open the floodgates.
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Thank you. I haven't read the writings of the Mormon's prophet Joseph Smith either nor do I ever intend to.
I am strictly SOLO SCRIPTURA whenever possible......which seems to be anathema to the Catholics and other Apostolic Churches.
Greetings.You're viewpoint is understandable. And you right, people shouldn't set times, or prey on the fears of others by trying to use the book of Revelation to manipulate them.
I however love prophecy, because it is the one thing that can't be disputed. It helps to validate the bible to those who don't believe, and it works to strengthen the faith, and edify the believer.
With respect to Revelation, it shows us God's hand in the affairs of man. It also shows us that the time is coming when an ultimate stand for or against God must be made, and that the wicked will receive just punishment, while the righteous will be protected. God gave us this book so that we wouldn't be left unawares of what is to come.
Greetings.
Here again is something I do not understand.
Why does punishment/judgement fall on the wicked TWICE, once at "Armegeddon" and AGAIN at "Gog-Magog"
Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going out upon the kings of whole the homed-one, to be together-leading/gathering/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of the Day, that the great of the God the Almighty. [Reve 20:8?]
Reve 20:8 And he shall be coming out to deceive the Nations, the in the four corners of the land, the Gog and the Magog, together-leading/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of which the Number as the Sand of the Sea. [Reve 16:14?]
Thank you and I agree with both YHWH and His Son Jesus as "consuming Fire".It is the wine of the wrath of His indignation being poured out upon the wicked. I think a better question to ask is why the wicked think they can provoke God The Almighty, who is an all consuming Fire, and think that God will not avenge Himself.
You're viewpoint is understandable. And you right, people shouldn't set times, or prey on the fears of others by trying to use the book of Revelation to manipulate them.
I however love prophecy, because it is the one thing that can't be disputed. It helps to validate the bible to those who don't believe, and it works to strengthen the faith, and edify the believer.
With respect to Revelation, it shows us God's hand in the affairs of man. It also shows us that the time is coming when an ultimate stand for or against God must be made, and that the wicked will receive just punishment, while the righteous will be protected. God gave us this book so that we wouldn't be left unawares of what is to come.
AMEN!Which is why in my first post I said there are lessons to be learned from this book and it should be studied. But care needs to be taken to not read too much or too little into it, or to base your whole theology on it.
It needs to be taken in conjunction with the rest of the Bible.
I would give all that I have just to have been John in RevelationMost Christians need to study chapter 4 and 5 and figure out if their worship resembles that in Heaven. And if not, find a place that does.
The point was that God will reveal what he chooses to reveal, not what we want him to reveal. Revelation was not important for me to study or he would not have stopped me. Instead, he called me to study OT scripture and he has opened my eyes to how Genesis reveals much about Jesus and Christians.I understand what you're saying here. The thing is that God could be trying to talk to you about Revelation, but you'll never find out if you don't get into the book. The prophecy has already been given. We just have to dig deep to understand it, and by the grace of God I can promise you that he'll reveal it.
If God has called you to that, then I support you. I cannot know what God has called you to do.I'm no prophet, but I can't express how important it is to me to understand the books of Revelation and Daniel.
Which is why in my first post I said there are lessons to be learned from this book and it should be studied. But care needs to be taken to not read too much or too little into it, or to base your whole theology on it. It needs to be taken in conjunction with the rest of the Bible.
Interesting.The point was that God will reveal what he chooses to reveal, not what we want him to reveal. Revelation was not important for me to study or he would not have stopped me. Instead, he called me to study OT scripture and he has opened my eyes to how Genesis reveals much about Jesus and Christians.
If God has called you to that, then I support you. I cannot know what God has called you to do.
If I had any advise, it would be not to press your brain to interpret it but read it and then turn to the Spirit. When God chooses he will allow you to understand.
On a personal note, I believe that way too many people, and I do not mean you, have done damage to themselves by applying misinterpretations of Revelation to faithful Christians and their Church.
These people will have to answer to God for what they have taught.
Thank you and I agree with both YHWH and His Son Jesus as "consuming Fire".
My view is that "armegeddon" and "gog/magog" are one and the same event, otherwise, Ezekiel 38/39 would not make a lick of sense, and would seem to happen TWICE according to Amills and others view of Revelation, which is unscriptural to me. I have a study on this
Ezekiel 38:22 "And I judged him in pestilence and in blood and in downpour overflowing and Stones of Hail, Fire and Sulphur I shall rain on him and on troops of him and on peoples many ones who with him. [Revelation 16:21 and 20:9]
Reve 16:21 And great Hail as talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the men.
And the men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it, tremendous. [Ezekiel 38:22]
Reve 20:9 And they did ascend upon the breadth of the land and did *surround the camp of the Saints and the City, the beloved and descends Fire *from/out of the heaven *from the God* and devours them. [Ezkiel 38:22]
What about the Great Hail of Reve 16 and Great Supper of God of Reve 19?Well the battle of Armageddon happens during the blowing of the seven trumpets, which is before the return of Christ. The verse you provided from Ezekiel would seem to correlate with the verse in Revelation that speaks of God raining fire down upon the wicked when they surround the Holy City after the 1K years.
Amen to that.The point was that God will reveal what he chooses to reveal, not what we want him to reveal. Revelation was not important for me to study or he would not have stopped me. Instead, he called me to study OT scripture and he has opened my eyes to how Genesis reveals much about Jesus and Christians.
I wouldn't say God has called me to it per se. More so that I believe that, considering the times we're living in, end-time prophecy is important to all of God's children.If God has called you to that, then I support you. I cannot know what God has called you to do.
Trust me, this isn't anything that I can press my brain hard enough to understand. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. God alone has revealed everything that I know about Revelation to me.If I had any advise, it would be not to press your brain to interpret it but read it and then turn to the Spirit. When God chooses he will allow you to understand.
On a personal note, I believe that way too many people, and I do not mean you, have done damage to themselves by applying misinterpretations of Revelation to faithful Christians and their Church. These people will have to answer to God for what they have taught.
What about the Great Hail of Reve 16 and Great Supper of God of Reve 19?
Is that not also mentioned in Ezekiel 38/39? Just trying to get clarification on this from both the Catholics and SDA's. Thanks and God bless
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Reve 16 and Great Hail question
For me, I believe as scripture says, that the end will come as a thief in the night. We cannot know, so that it why it is far more important for me to understand a message given by the Holy Spirit. God will guide his children.I wouldn't say God has called me to it per se. More so that I believe that, considering the times we're living in, end-time prophecy is important to all of God's children.
Lately, God has been pouring out to me the meaning of "feed my sheep" and what you say here has a lot to do with that. (Not Revelation, but the whole message)Agreed. There is a horrible promise for those who mislead people in regards to this book (and I believe it also applies to the bible as a whole).
This one book I finished reading not too long ago commented on this.For me, I believe as scripture says, that the end will come as a thief in the night. We cannot know, so that it why it is far more important for me to understand a message given by the Holy Spirit. God will guide his children.
Lately, God has been pouring out to me the meaning of "feed my sheep" and what you say here has a lot to do with that. (Not Revelation, but the whole message)
I don't know, how have either of these Churches applied misinterpretations of Revelations to faithful Christians and their Church?Interesting.
Would you also include in the Catholic or Orthodox Churches?
I'm not sure how any of these Churches interpret Revelations. I have heard some evangelists applying some terms to the Catholic Church. I would say that "anyone" who has misinterpreted Revelation and damage another faithful Christian will have to answer to God, regardless of their Church.Should we trust in their interpretations any differently than the SDA's, Baptists, Lutherans or other Protestant denominations/ sects within Christianity?
I don't know. I haven't looked into how the CC interprets Revelation. I do not recall the Book coming up in our readings or the Priests giving their views.Another words, do you believe the Catholic Church has the one true interpretation of Revelation? Just curious.
I try and look at it,Btw, I would hope more Catholics [and SDA's] will vote on my Matt 24 thread in the link of my Siggy ehehe.......... Thanks and God bless
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