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Should rape by deception be a crime?
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Uncle Tommy
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I'm still not sure how enhancing one's appearance is deceitful? Surely you cannot compare breast implants to a direct lie.
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Uncle Tommy
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How is it deception? Were the enhanced breasts not as large as you thought they were? Were they covered? Why exactly does it matter if they are enhanced and how is it a lie?
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' to myself.
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I don't think a person can rightfully give their consent if they are deliberately misinformed about the situation by the other person. The man lied and told her he was ethnically Jewish. She consented to sex with a Jewish man, not an Arab one, and his lack of honesty makes her consent invalid. So, yes, it should be a crime.
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Jade Margery
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Being misinformed is not the same as being forced against one's will. Imagine a friend asks you for twenty bucks, saying that they need some gas money to get to an important job interview and they have none. You give it to them out of the goodness of your little heart, but instead of buying gas they buy movie tickets and overpriced popcorn for a date. Were you just mugged?
Personal judgment calls are a necessary part of being a rational adult. Do we trust this person to borrow our car? Do we believe this person will invest our money wisely? Do we know this person will be honest and respectful when it comes to sex? Being deceived by purpose or design does not absolve us of the responsibility of our choices. In this case the woman seems to have met the guy once and then had sex with him without verifying that anything he was saying was true. How many people who participate in one-night-stands really believe that their partners are being completely honest? If she spent any time around him first she would have figured it out, but she made a quick decision because a 'wealthy jewish bachelor' was such a tempting fruit that she bit into it without thinking. Can she really be surprised that it was rotten?
Regret does not equal rape. The sex was consensual, she was not underage or chemically impaired or coerced, and the lie did not put her in danger (as lying about an STD would). She was fooled, but she wasn't raped.
Personal judgment calls are a necessary part of being a rational adult. Do we trust this person to borrow our car? Do we believe this person will invest our money wisely? Do we know this person will be honest and respectful when it comes to sex? Being deceived by purpose or design does not absolve us of the responsibility of our choices. In this case the woman seems to have met the guy once and then had sex with him without verifying that anything he was saying was true. How many people who participate in one-night-stands really believe that their partners are being completely honest? If she spent any time around him first she would have figured it out, but she made a quick decision because a 'wealthy jewish bachelor' was such a tempting fruit that she bit into it without thinking. Can she really be surprised that it was rotten?
Regret does not equal rape. The sex was consensual, she was not underage or chemically impaired or coerced, and the lie did not put her in danger (as lying about an STD would). She was fooled, but she wasn't raped.
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The only reason someone would be really upset by something like this is if they hold some seriously bigoted views, and in which case she can have your sympathy, I have no sympathy, none whatsoever.
Sense! Good post.
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theblackcat
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I think that making a decision about who to sleep with based on race is foolish also, but those are her views and she's entitled to them, particularly considering the kinds of tensions prevalent in the area where she comes from. They aren't my views, but I respect her right to hold them. If her criteria for sex is that the person is Jewish, so be it. Lots of people have preferences regarding the religion, appearance or employment if a person they enter a relationship with. Just because I don't share her views doesn't mean I think this man was right to lie to her.
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So you don't agree with her views, yet you think it should be a crime... right... I mean are there any other laws you can think of where you disagree with the so called victims views yet you still think it should be a crime? Or maybe you think telling a lie should be a crime, at least you'd be consistent (as well as daft).
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