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Should not the Ecumenical Patriarch learn English?

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I saw an interview with His All-Holiness and he was speaking Greek even if he was talking to Americans. Also, he spoke Greek with the Pope when he visited Constantinople. Is it forbidden for an Ecumenical Patriarch to learn English?

Ohh… and I would like to know: How much pope is he for the Orthodox?
 

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I saw an interview with His All-Holiness and he was speaking Greek even if he was talking to Americans. Also, he spoke Greek with the Pope when he visited Constantinople. Is it forbidden for an Ecumenical Patriarch to learn English?
Maybe he never had time?:p
Ohh… and I would like to know: How much pope is he for the Orthodox?
Not at all. His vote still counts one.I guess they both sit at a head of the table but not sure if even this when EP is in some other Bishop Diocese.

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God helps
 
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Ohh… and I would like to know: How much pope is he for the Orthodox?

Not at all. It's one of the biggest misconceptions about our faith held by westerners and one of the most annoying. My patriarch is (nearly wrote Teoctist, then, veşnica pomenire) Patriarch Daniel of Romania and the EP has no jurisdiction over my church whatsoever. As to the language question, I wouldn't be surprised if he does speak English already.

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I saw an interview with His All-Holiness and he was speaking Greek even if he was talking to Americans. Also, he spoke Greek with the Pope when he visited Constantinople. Is it forbidden for an Ecumenical Patriarch to learn English?

Ohh… and I would like to know: How much pope is he for the Orthodox?
EPs don't learn English - Americans talking to EPs learn Greek. :p
As the old saying goes - 'When in doubt, bend the world around EP'
 
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I saw an interview with His All-Holiness and he was speaking Greek even if he was talking to Americans. Also, he spoke Greek with the Pope when he visited Constantinople. Is it forbidden for an Ecumenical Patriarch to learn English?

Ohh… and I would like to know: How much pope is he for the Orthodox?
Let's study Greek, better.
 
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He does speak English, and I really wish he would when the American media is watching, but it's not for me to judge his choice of language. It's just that since he's frequently Orthodoxy's ambassador to the world, it would be helpful if he chose to use the lingua franca.
 
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Greek is a richer and more expressive language... for him... because he's better at it.

His greek may be better than my English and so, his greek would be more expressive than my English. But, English is certainly a very expressive language. I have to say that I feel very strongly that no language can possibly be more expressive or richer. That's very subjective and generally says more about one's own ability in one laguage over the other. I find English MUCh more expressive than Spanish... becuase I dominate it. I know all of it's little nuances and how to play with words. I understand implications that most non-native speakers (even if they've been speaking the language for half their lives) cannot possibly understand.

A language is much more than words or syntax but also culture, expression, entonation, etc...

To not be able to express oneself as richly in one laguage over the other is only a sign of one's limitations in one of the languages and one's domination in the other language.

Sorry to rant. But I used to think this too. Then I realized... it was just me. :)

As far as the EP goes... I am sure as Matrona and others say, he knows English quite well. And although i agree with Matrona on a Practical level (let's face it, English right now just is more important in international communication... and that will change.. but right now that's just a sad fact for us English speakers (bc we have been trained not to step outside of our box).

However, that said, the EP has bishops under him that serve a more local flock. it isn't necessary for the EP to know English very well when he can speak through the corresponding bishop under him. Otherwise, he would have to learn a LOT of languages and although that would be ideal and certainly some have done so (look at the pope), time and personal talent are needed to do so.

Just my POV.

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If Greek is what he feels is confortable for him to express his ideas and thoughts I would say let him use it. It is better to have an interpreter to translate it. Because if he is going to use "small talk" English he mihgt not be able to convey the exact meaning of what he wants to express and that is how missunderstandings happen. I know that from my own mistakes...and limitations. Yes, I heard him speak and he is capable of speaking fairly good English, I would not say that he is completely fluent though since he did not study in an Englsish speaking country. I think he also speaks french pretty well too. Many hierarchs in Greece and all over the world speak English or French depending where they completed their theologicall studies.

God bless,
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I personally won't mind if my own Pope did not know English. We have our English-speaking bishops here that cater to our spiritual needs in the language we need it. It's most important that my own Pope know Arabic to have a good relationship with the government of the land he resides in.

Does the EP know how to speak Turkish?
 
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He speaks fluent German as well. A friend of ours visited with some fellow scientists from Germany when they were in Constantinople and he accepted them and spoke in their native language.

They were all very impressed both by his language skills and his general bearing. They also commented that it would have been impossible to meet the pope in similar circumstances and that the patriarchate building was very decent ;)

I am pretty sure he speaks English well.
 
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He is a Turkish citizen and also grew up in Constantinople ... for sure he speaks Turkish. :)

God bless,
Philothei
That is good that he knows (and is) Turkish. I'm sometimes perplexed as to why in Egypt the Alexandrian Chalcedonian Pope does not know Arabic, or that it's imperative that he has to be a Greek? I am pleased on the other hand that the Greek Antiochian Patriarch is Arab, as he should be.

God bless.
 
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Minasoliman, he is Turkish citizen not Turkish origin he is as Greek as they come.... just to clarify. I understand your comment and it is well taken. But with reference to the Alexandrian Patriarch I understand the EO population is on decline right? They are talking about 3,000 EO christians right?


God bless,
Philothei
 
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Minasoliman, he is Turkish citizen not Turkish origin he is as Greek as they come.... just to clarify. I understand your comment and it is well taken. But with reference to the Alexandrian Patriarch I understand the EO population is on decline right? They are talking about 3,000 EO christians right?


God bless,
Philothei
Yes, it is on the decline in Egypt, but at the same time, the EO patriarchate of Alexandria is growing in other parts of Africa as part of a evangelistic missionary.

God bless.
 
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