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It would also be wise to practice guardianship of the heart and mind.....This will help emotionally and spiritually.

I have no judgment concerning you singing or not......I would not think you right or wrong for any decision you choose to make. My posts only asked questions and offers points of interest when judging and making decisions on any matter. They are actually geared more towards the general reader, as I believe you made your decision already and just need help confirming what you already believe.

I would think is wise too, when you speak to the director, to not view their words as attacks....as groups of letters can do no such thing....but as words to be respected even if they are not what you believe or want to hear..... These actions should reap similar respect from all who dont agree with you.....and you may just get out of this in much better shape than you envision.

I wish you nothing but the best....and find no fault in any choice you decide to make.
 
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Perhaps the choir director does not know the full story of Matthew.

The truth behind America’s most famous gay-hate murder
 
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If you don't have anything against gay people, what do you find objectionable about the Matthew Shepherd Foundation? How exactly do you see that as "promoting" homosexuality? Is it "promotion" to protest the cruelty and condemnation that many gay people have faced in their lives? You do not have to agree that homosexual acts are moral but I think you can understand how everybody deserves to be protected from hatred because their religious beliefs or lifestyles differ from what is considered acceptable by some.
 
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Well I was doing okay I guess until I read down to where they compared the boy to -- I can't even say the name.

It's not good for us to lie but, I would call in sick on that day.

M-Bob
 
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On this forum, a reply to anyone outside of the OPer is considered debate. I even had a post removed on this thread that replied to no one, but was still deleted because they thought it was meant for someone else. It is best that this , much needed conversation is started and finished in an area inwhich we can reply to each other without breaking rules and having or posts deleted.....
 
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When you are old and talking to your grand kids. Will this be a story you will be glad to tell them? Do what you think is right as you understand the Scriptures.

The idea of Romans 14:23 of doing things you are doubting about is not faith. This is a good guideline.

Read Romans 1:18-32
 
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No, it is good to protest the cruelty against gay people. It is bad to go about doing that by striving to normalize LGBT relationships and genderfluidity and remove the rights of others to abstain from believing and participating in those things (eg. Being legally compelled to use a pronoun you don't want to use). There's more to what they believe than their mission statement. You have to ask how they are trying to achieve those goals.
 
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Lying because we dont want to support sin???? an interesting proposition, indeed.
I agree, I think that would be rather hypocritical. Plus I would get in big trouble for missing a concert, and showing up to class the next day seeming perfectly fine.
 
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LGBT relationships are already normalized for millions of people in America. There is no "trying" involved. A largely symbolic protest isn't going to change that.
 
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LGBT relationships are already normalized for millions of people in America. There is no "trying" involved. A largely symbolic protest isn't going to change that.
It isn't symbolic. I'm just against the movement and don't want to participate in something I believe is immoral.
 
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It isn't symbolic. I'm just against the movement and don't want to participate in something I believe is immoral.

You can't serve two masters. You can't claim to be against the victimization of gay people, and at the same time oppose groups that actively fight to end the stigma against those same people.
 
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You can't serve two masters. You can't claim to be against the victimization of gay people, and at the same time oppose groups that actively fight stigma against those same people.
I can if they think that I should be legally compelled to use pronouns I don't agree with and think that my beliefs about marriage should be illegal.
 
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I can if they think that I should be legally compelled to use pronouns I don't agree with and think that my beliefs about marriage should be illegal.

Nobody I know of is trying to make conservative Christian views of marriage illegal. The Matthew Shepherd Foundation certainly isn't. In this country, churches are free to marry whomever they see fit. But Christians cannot expect those with different viewpoints to be compelled to live according to the dictates of their religion.
 
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They would like my views to be. Here's an article they shared in praise of a law passed in Switzerland banning homophobia on penalty of three years in jail. And from their Twitter page they would certainly find my views of marriage as "homophobic".

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I can if they think that I should be legally compelled to use pronouns I don't agree with and think that my beliefs about marriage should be illegal.
Setting aside the legal question (because placing legal restrictions on free speech is its own issue), and just asking about your everyday life:

Does it violate your conscience to use other people's preferred pronouns, if it's a pronoun like they/them or if the person appears to be transgender?
 
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