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It seems you have a missed a key component in the definition above. Also it seems you have - like so many others so you aren't alone - are taking the list too literally, and leaving out a key aspect of the definition which shows you the key difference between being a putz one day - and being abusive.

Verbal Abuse the way you describe it could be a one time event. That's just called being a putz one day. That isn't verbal abuse.

Verbal and Emotional Abuse is a habitual behavior. Like Alcoholism one drink or a couple of them here and there isn't make you an alcoholic - per the true definition of 'alcoholic'.

According to what you mentioned above? If you have a drink now and again - or even one? Heck lets go even further, and say you got knock down drag out DRUNK one night. Unless you do this regularly? You are just being irresponsible, and not being an 'alcoholic'.

So, when someone tells you that they are verbally or emotionally abusive? The name calling, cut downs, etc - refer to the lists of traits you mentioned - those behaviors are habitual - not an occasional acting like a putz.

These behaviors are used as a tool to keep control of the individual. When you hear some stories of the prisoners of war for example? Their words, phases and habitual behavior of these verbal traits are used as tools to keep these people under control. Sure, in that type of environment physical abuse or torture is also used. Yet, if you look closely? Its the words, threats, and repeated behavior like this that keeps them scared, feeling helpless, lost, etc. Most of the time they use the words, and in prisoner's case? They back them up with torture.

Kidnappings? You will find the individuals that took another person will use these traits to break the person down. No one cares about you anymore - they stopped looking and have gone on with life. I'm all you have now. If you listen carefully to the stories - remember those three girls that were found in Ariel Castro's house this year? In a recent interview the one young lady recalls all types of verbal torture this man used to break down her spirit, make her feel helpless, and his end game was to gain totally control over her personhood. Castro called that 'trust', and would give her more freedom when he could trust her! In other words - once he broke her down enough so he knew she wouldn't run. Yet, that isn't a logical definition of trust is it?

Sadly, unlike you and I most of these people have lost the ability to have empathy and compassion for the other person - or persons. The anxiety levels they have is so off the scale of normal. For example, you will hear many times on how this type of personality MUST keep tabs on their partner. If they don't know where they are at any given time? Their anxiety level rises. If they call, and the person doesn't answer right away? It continues to rise. Instead of dealing with it the way you and I might? They lash out, and start accusing the person of all kinds of strange things. 'You are with your boy/girlfriend that is WHY you didn't answer my call!' Keep in mind it could be a delay of a couple of minutes, before they return the call...and the abusive personality has gone into the realms of no return. "This is why I don't trust you! You never answer the phone when I call! You were with someone! Who were with?" Its like the energizer bunny - they just keep going and going and going. You could have video of what the person was doing, and they will say you didn't answer the call because you were LOOKING at someone...and making plans to cheat instead. they just happen to catch you in the act of 'planning'. We are talking off the charts irrational here.

In a nutshell, we are talking extreme irrational behavior. That is why you read people speak about walking on eggshells. You can't bring them down to earth, and you can't reason with them once they hit that point. Sadly, you never know when its going to happen. There is no pattern to it. If someone lit their fuse one day? It won't the next. So you never know when the attack will start. They also don't do well with compromise, because unless things go their way? Their anxiety levels just can't handle it.

As you can see - it goes way beyond calling your wife a good for nothing just to be a putz. Your missing the pattern of behavior, and the habitual nature of it. I guess they didn't explain it well on the lists you mention.
 
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Rationalize this away all you like.

At the end of the day, if he doesn't sign, the wife's next step is to file for divorce and have him served with those papers. In the filing, it is common to state the reasons you are seeking divorce, even in states where divorce is no fault. If he doesn't show in court, the judge would ask her to confirm what is in the divorce filing and this would be in open court and they would move forward without him.

If she desired to do so, she could explain the abuse to the judge and also ask for an order of protection (and OP's are granted all the time for emotional psychological abuse), but that would be up to her.
 
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If the whole business is about control, then his refusal to sign could be part of the pattern of abuse. "Ha ha ha, you can't get away, I'll never let you go!!"

If that's the case, then of course she can get the divorce, it'll just take a little longer, and that kind of abuse makes an order of protection almost an automatic thing.

Of course, this is all conjecture at this point. I understand there's been some time since the last post by the OP, so we're shooting in the dark on all of this at the moment.
 
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Here is the bottom line. If the OP was honest in his original post and I have no reason to think he was not, because it appeared he was and I give him credit for that.

With that being the case, the ball is in her court and she could make things very difficult on him if he refuses to sign and she is in the frame of mind to do so.
 
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I apologize Hannah, I misread your post.
 
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If the whole business is about control, then his refusal to sign could be part of the pattern of abuse. "Ha ha ha, you can't get away, I'll never let you go!!"

Or it could be that he thinks it's immoral to sign. Whether posters on this forum agree that it is or not, he has his own conscience, not theirs.

The woman is taking a legalistic approach to the Bible, and if he doesn't sign, he doesn't give her a 'writing of divorcement' at all to justify herself with. Not signing could deter her from adulterously remarrying.


Of course, this is all conjecture at this point. I understand there's been some time since the last post by the OP, so we're shooting in the dark on all of this at the moment.

We certainly are. I would like to know how things went. It's good to get an update when you pray about something.
 
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We wouldn't want to let someone become an adulteress after they have been abused, now would we?
 
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I don't know how a divorced woman can commit adultery. Its only the court that can give a divorce, where a man signs or not doesn't effect what the court will do and a woman commits adultery.

Matthew 5
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


Matthew 19
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


Romans 7
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.


I Corinthians 7
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
 
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I don't know if this thread is still closed or not (okay--it's not). My time on the site is limited, and unlike those who are here daily, leaving numerous posts, it sometimes takes time to respond.

I will try to post what I had written.



My response to the accusation (made by at least two posters) that since I am providing resources to help save marriage, I don't care about the abused:



Take a look at all my posts in this thread. Every one is equally concerned about both husband and wife. Being railroaded into fast divorce does not serve one more than the other.

So if the point being made could be rephrased as “Clearly, you do not care anything about the abused, unlike me,” then why not state that directly and honestly?


If God’s best plan for a person’s life is to stay in and work on their marriage, that is a place of both growth and healing. Another reason not to advance into divorce without understanding God’s desire for someone.

Read through my posts, sincerely. You will find a wealth of resources there already. Links are not in them yet, nor have I gathered them but it is my intent to add them whenever I find time. I have other resources as well. Those with an open heart will find them.
 
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I really don't want to tangle with this guy again. Loooonnnngggg posts about why divorce is always wrong with seemingly nothing about how an abused person should deal with it-- beyond the seeming "never, ever divorce" thought-- if he's complaining that others didn't take well to his post I'm afraid I can't sympathize with him any too readily. Adding a blizzard of verses showing that God says the abused person should be trapped with no way out-- sorry, nope, not gonna fly.
 
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Agreed. No matter how many examples of abusive marriages that have been restored, there are numerous more that have not or have ended up worse.

Regardless, each situation is unique and the cookie cutter approach just doesn't work, IMO.

Without further input from the OP, I'd say this thread has run it's course.
 
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I agree with those verses.

 
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