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What about everything that was happening over the last few years to citizens in Gaza?absolutely!
After what my peers did on Oct. 7, and after thousands of deaths due to my actions in the Gaza strip..? I would turn myself in, and renounce Hamas.
They shouldn't be firing those missiles hey.For all the rockets fired into Israel in the last 75 years while people starved from where these were fired, says that those who perpetuate “the cause” care little for their fellow sufferers.
So you support their firing missiles?They shouldn't be firing those missiles hey.
They should just be suffering at Israel's hand quietly and learn their place.
Hamas is Gaza's worst enemy.What about everything that was happening over the last few years to citizens in Gaza?
They ARE bad. But they are not the worst:Hamas is Gaza's worst enemy.
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Number of Israelis killed by fired missiles through this conflict:So you support their firing missiles?
Definitely not. Both government's have proven themselves to be awful. SOME israeli citizens have been really awful about stealing Palestinian lands and property (with unspoken support from their government).Israel has done wrong over the years and has had as much wrong done too it. I really don’t know what can be done about this situation, do you?
But Hamas is shooting at Israel... If Israel stops shooting at Hamas, Hamas will still continue shooting rockets at Israel.Number of Israelis killed by fired missiles through this conflict:
1200ish
Number of Gazans killed through the same:
3000+
Here is what I perceive in a nutshell and I have no preferences as far as the Palestinian or Israeli peoples. Where I make the distinction is that I believe the Israeli political leadership actually struggles with a live and let live attitude. I believe the Palestinian leaderships that have existed are anti Israeli to the core. I believe any Palestinians who try any alternatives to the status quo are suppressed by their leaders. I believe the same pattern exists in Iran which the leaders are perpetually spouting anti Israeli sentiment & pro Palestinian intifada to their nation and many Iranians have no desire to even be involved in it.Number of Israelis killed by fired missiles through this conflict:
1200ish
Number of Gazans killed through the same:
3000+
Definitely not. Both government's have proven themselves to be awful. SOME israeli citizens have been really awful about stealing Palestinian lands and property (with unspoken support from their government).
I VERY softly side with the Palestinian people. But ultimately, nobody there truly gets my support. There's too much repugnant behaviour.
You would be incorrect in that assumption, if you follow Netenyahu and his political party.Here is what I perceive in a nutshell and I have no preferences as far as the Palestinian or Israeli peoples. Where I make the distinction is that I believe the Israeli political leadership actually struggles with a live and let live attitude.
I 100% agree with that. But I believe that is happenning becaues of how terribly Israel (and its citizens) treat Palestine and Gaza.I believe the Palestinian leaderships that have existed are anti Israeli to the core.
Could be....I believe any Palestinians who try any alternatives to the status quo are suppressed by their leaders. I believe the same pattern exists in Iran which the leaders are perpetually spouting anti Israeli sentiment & pro Palestinian intifada to their nation and many Iranians have no desire to even be involved in it.
Your source just lied to me and you...They ARE bad. But they are not the worst:
If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine
I'm not sure that's really the best source - it's definitely biased against Israel, in that it only seems to report negative actions by the Israelis. It's not necessarily untruthful, but it's not really making any effort to present any information that might make Palestine look bad either. For a site that's purporting to present the "truth" of the Israel-Palestine conflict, that's not a great start.They ARE bad. But they are not the worst:
If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine
You would be incorrect in that assumption, if you follow Netenyahu and his political party.
I 100% agree with that. But I believe that is happenning becaues of how terribly Israel (and its citizens) treat Palestine and Gaza.
Could be....
Okay, let’s say that has happened.The first thing that needs to happen, is that Hamas needs to release the hostage's and stop launching missile's into Israel.
This is a poor review of the site:I'm not sure that's really the best source - it's definitely biased against Israel, in that it only seems to report negative actions by the Israelis. It's not necessarily untruthful, but it's not really making any effort to present any information that might make Palestine look bad either. For a site that's purporting to present the "truth" of the Israel-Palestine conflict, that's not a great start.
Yes, the situation is imbalanced. But that doesn't excuse an imbalanced presentation of the data. Let's look at the article mentioned earlier (What We Know About the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital Blast). Landon's take on the headline was wrong (which is what led me to actually check out the site and read the article), but the article itself is not a fair or accurate presentation of the facts.This is a poor review of the site:
"Sure the evidence it presents may be true..." (okay. So you can accept the evidence they provide can't be undermined) "but they aren't trying to make it balanced".
But look RIGHT at the data. The data present ITSELF is imbalanced....
Because the situation is imbalanced. Because the power differential between these two countries...is imbalanced. An understated but important graph is the one about how western media in the US reports Israeli as opposed to Palestinian deaths. There is an imbalance in American media too.
It doesn't seem fair to Palestinian citizens who are the DIRECT victims being reported here to suggest the disproportionate suffering that they are experiencing isn't fair to talk about because it doesn't talk about the things that are not happenning to Israelis.
While you make a good point about a DIFFERENT website, if the clear agenda was an issue, then even a cursory look at it should give some hints of problems with the information. The situation that those articles are dealing with are VERY subjective; data is not nearly as subjective.Yes, the situation is imbalanced. But that doesn't excuse an imbalanced presentation of the data. Let's look at the article mentioned earlier (What We Know About the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital Blast). Landon's take on the headline was wrong (which is what led me to actually check out the site and read the article), but the article itself is not a fair or accurate presentation of the facts.
Evidence of Israeli involvement (which is all circumstantial - i.e. they warned the hospital to evacuate, they've attacked hospitals before) is presented in full, with quotes and multiple sources. In contrast, the article only states that "evidence has been reported" that it was Palestinian rockets that did the damage. That evidence is not provided, there are no quotes to back any of it up, and the author merely states that "the possibility is worth considering" - then goes on to take a dig at Israel's record of friendly fire incidents. The article closes with another section detailing Israel's past attacks on medical facilities.
For an article purporting to detail "What we know about the Al Ahli hospital blast", very little about the actual blast is in it. The only facts presented about the incident itself are:
- the details of the incident (time, date, casualty count)
- Israel hit the facility with a couple artillery shells on the 14th and called it a warning
- Israel called or texted hospital administrators at least three times since Saturday, asking them to leave the facility
- Israel has changed their story
That's it. They don't even bother to mention that it's confirmed that there was a Palestinian rocket barrage passing in the vicinity of the hospital at the time of the strike. They don't show any of the imagery of the blast site. They don't talk about how often Palestinian rockets misfire or fall short. There are a total of four sentences dedicated to the possibility that it was friendly fire. Just four, and all of them are loaded with caveats and language that makes the reader question whether or not the information is accurate. The rest of this article, supposedly about Al Ahli, is actually about Israel's history of attacking medical facilities and personnel - poisoning the well. Even if it's accurate, that's not relevant to a presentation of facts around a specific incident.
To be clear, I'm not defending Hamas here, and I've long been critical of Israel's treatment of Palestinians. I'm just pointing out that the site you linked has a very clear agenda and bias, and should be taken with a very hefty grain of salt.
My thoughts are that if Hamas released their hostages and stopped shooting their rockets Israel would move in with the Big Guns.Trucks could roll in with medical supplies, Doctors, food etc ........ then dialogue could begin.
What are your thoughts?
What metrics are you basing this statement on?Israel is not in a position to fight a ground war against the Palestinians and they know it ...
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