Should gays be allowed to adopt?

NeTrips said:

so unless gays adopt them they are doomed to a life on the streets? That's the best you got?

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That's good enough for me.

NeTrips said:

I have to disagree with you on this point. As a Christian who beleives that there is one way to be saved, by faith in Jesus Christ, I believe that the best interest of all children is to be under the care of believers in Jesus Christ. I do not believe anything else is better.

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So you would support preventing adoption by homosexuals, atheists, muslims, jews, hindus etc ... (anyone not heterosexual christian)?

And I notice earlier that you lumped atheists (and presumably from what you said in this quote, non-christians) with alcoholics and various abusive households that you would also support removing biological children from households that have homosexual, atheist, muslim, jewish, hindu etc ... parents?

The logic is quite simple. If you support (as i'm certain you do) removing a child from a biological parent that is abusive, and you equate an atheist parent with an abusive parent (as you did earlier) then you must by extension be in favor of such, correct?

I believe 100 percent that Gays should be able to adopt children.I was raised in foster care by A heterosexual couple.I've seen the nightmare fostercare can cause.Not just with me, but the other kids.Anyways better to have Gay or Heterosexual to adopt a child or children to love and give a good home too.Way better than a child being in a foster home were they may not be loved.

I personally don't have a problem with gay people adopting children.

In a world where people like Britney Spears can have children and repeatedly endanger them, I'd rather see a child with two dads or moms any day.

NeTrips said:

Lot's of folks in favor of adoption by gays people.

The argument presented numerous times that a child is better off in a loving home rather than remaining as a ward of the state is flawed since it presents gay adoption as the only means of escaping state custody. It is not.

My argument is based on not intentionally forcing a child into a house where sin is accepted, practiced regularly, or celebrated.

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Then we must included the fundamentalist Christian home as being harmful to the child as the sin of prejudice is accepted, practiced regularly, and celebrated.

NeTrips said:

I have to disagree with you on this point. As a Christian who beleives that there is one way to be saved, by faith in Jesus Christ, I believe that the best interest of all children is to be under the care of believers in Jesus Christ. I do not believe anything else is better.

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I realize that some folks believe that. I do not, as I am a religious pluralist. And our state adoption systems do not give preference to Christians. There is no religious test for adoption. Just as people of any faith or no faith can reproduce, people of any faith or no faith can adopt.

MARGORAEGOYETTE said:

I believe 100 percent that Gays should be able to adopt children.I was raised in foster care by A heterosexual couple.I've seen the nightmare fostercare can cause.Not just with me, but the other kids.Anyways better to have Gay or Heterosexual to adopt a child or children to love and give a good home too.Way better than a child being in a foster home were they may not be loved.

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I adopted my daughter nearly six years ago, when she was a baby. Now she is a healthy and very happy kindergartener. She is excited about her dance class and her music class. She is a fine swimmer, and she plays soccer in the fall and spring. She got a new kitten for her 6th birthday. His name is Leo Star. He keeps trying to walk on my keyboard.

While I admire and salute the many wonderful foster parents, I think our goal must be to give every child a forever family.

Btw, I am gay and a single parent.

CindyisHis said:

Should gays be allowed to adopt?

Absolutely not! Not if you are desiring to live by what the Bible says. Not if you want the blessing of the Lord on your life.

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Fortunately, our state adoption programs do not follow the Bible in screening adoptive parents. We are not a theocracy, and there is no religious test for adoption. People of any faith and no faith can adopt children.

Each state in the United States is a little different. But I can describe what I went through in adopting my daughter. I was visited by a social worker who did the home study. She looked at my house and the environment where my child would grow up. She asked me questions about why I wanted to adopt. We talked about raising children, education, methods of discipline. I described the resources I have, both monetary and community and family resources. I told her about my church community, about my daughter's god-parents. We talked about my will and who would take care of my child in the event of my untimely death. I was given a stack of material to read about adoption, including material on adopting a child of another race and from another culture. We discussed this material.

I provided information about my income, my savings, my health and life insurance. I provided references from my employer and from others who know me, including my minister. I was fingerprinted twice, once for an FBI check and once for a local police check. I was asked about any previous arrests. I was checked out by a child abuse registry, to see if I had ever been charged with or convicted of child abuse. I had to provide an escape plan from my house in case of fire, and the fire department inspected my house for safety. I had to show that I have a fire extinguisher mounted on the wall.

After all these checks, the social worker wrote a report about me. I adopted as a single parent, living alone, and so the question of a spouse or other people living in the house was not an issue. If I had had a spouse or a housemate or a tenant living here, that person would have had to go through the home study. Anyone living in the house where the child will live has to go through the home study.

The process was thorough and professional. My state does not ask if a prospective adoptive parent is gay. It's just not a question that they consider. People can volunteer the information or not. If I had wanted to adopt as a couple with a same-sex spouse, I think that would not have been possible where I live, but it may have been possible for a partner to adopt later as a second parent. The policies in my state regarding second-parent adoption by same-sex spouses have, I think, varied by the county people live in and by the judge you happen to get when you apply to adopt. But since I was and am single, this was not an issue for me. I was and am no different from any other single adoptive parent.

I find it bizarre, frankly, that single gay people have no trouble adopting children in my state; the state doesn't even ask about it. But a same-sex couple faces hurdles in my state. It's bizarre because two parents are usually better than one, but the state makes it easy for a gay person to adopt as a single parent and not as a couple. For the well-being of children, this does not make sense.

Originally Posted by CindyisHis
Should gays be allowed to adopt?

Absolutely not! Not if you are desiring to live by what the Bible says. Not if you want the blessing of the Lord on your life.

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Help me out here. Who exactly is the Lord going to bless ...the gay couples or the homeless childen? And what would those blessings be?
It's almost as if you don't have a clue about what you are saying and are just repeating some "christian speak" phrase you have learned to vomit out regardless of whether it applies to a given situation or not. You might think saying that kind of stuff makes you sound good and holy but, trust me, it makes you sound ignorant.

flicka said:

Help me out here. Who exactly is the Lord going to bless ...the gay couples or the homeless childen? And what would those blessings be?
It's almost as if you don't have a clue about what you are saying and are just repeating some "christian speak" phrase you have learned to vomit out regardless of whether it applies to a given situation or not. You might think saying that kind of stuff makes you sound good and holy but, trust me, it makes you sound ignorant.

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Probably because I did not go into any great detail about it nor defend myself. Mostly because I don't have the desire to impress anyone. My answer does not come from Christian-ese, but from hours and hours of meditating on the Word of God and prayer. He is my life. I have to make many adjustments in my own life to align myself to the will of God, none of which I have any regrets over. I found every desire of the flesh I have died to, has only proved to be a profit to my life and to those around me. I've found the Lord, Who is without beginning or end, knows far more than me, and I am wise to give heed to His Words. If I don't I'm the one who lives with the fruit of it.

As for homeless children, don't think for a minute I don't care about them, or that the Lord doesn't. I am literally doing all I can for them.

Because I gave a short answer it can be easy to assume things about me. I understand. But the things that are assumed may not be true. Yes, there are those like you described. I don't think much of that either.

CindyisHis said:

Probably because I did not go into any great detail about it nor defend myself. Mostly because I don't have the desire to impress anyone. My answer does not come from Christian-ese, but from hours and hours of meditating on the Word of God and prayer.

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I'm sorry, but I must have missed the part of the Bible where God says "And don't let those gay people adopt children." Perhaps you can share where you found that commandment?

CindyisHis said:

As for homeless children, don't think for a minute I don't care about them, or that the Lord doesn't. I am literally doing all I can for them.

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And yet you don't want people to also do "all they can" for homeless children, because you believe that they are sinning?

Don't all people fall short of God's perfection? Aren't we all sinners? Why exactly is it that you seem to believe that a certain group of sinners is unfit to raise children who might otherwise not be able to find parents who love them?

CindyisHis said:

Probably because I did not go into any great detail about it nor defend myself. Mostly because I don't have the desire to impress anyone. My answer does not come from Christian-ese, but from hours and hours of meditating on the Word of God and prayer. He is my life. I have to make many adjustments in my own life to align myself to the will of God, none of which I have any regrets over. I found every desire of the flesh I have died to, has only proved to be a profit to my life and to those around me. I've found the Lord, Who is without beginning or end, knows far more than me, and I am wise to give heed to His Words. If I don't I'm the one who lives with the fruit of it.

As for homeless children, don't think for a minute I don't care about them, or that the Lord doesn't. I am literally doing all I can for them.

Because I gave a short answer it can be easy to assume things about me. I understand. But the things that are assumed may not be true. Yes, there are those like you described. I don't think much of that either.

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Why don't you explain your reasoning, then, since you gave a short answer without explanation.

I am a gay adoptive parent. My daughter is happy and healthy, and we are active in our church. We have a great family, including a new kitten named Leo Star. He joins our other three cats.

All states in the United States except Florida allow gay people to adopt. Why should good people like me not be able to adopt? Would you want me to send my daughter away from her home just because you dislike the fact that I am gay?

Ohioprof said:

Why don't you explain your reasoning, then, since you gave a short answer without explanation.

I am a gay adoptive parent. My daughter is happy and healthy, and we are active in our church. We have a great family, including a new kitten named Leo Star. He joins our other three cats.

All states in the United States except Florida allow gay people to adopt. Why should good people like me not be able to adopt? Would you want me to send my daughter away from her home just because you dislike the fact that I am gay?

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This is very difficult, for I am persuaded you are a kind, compassionate person, and no doubt do wonder why in the world I would say such a thing compunded by the fact that just because one merely professes Christ doesn't automatically make them a good parent. Sadly, many do bad, and even horrific things both in the church and outside (meaning Christian and non).

Geesh, I never intended to get tangled up in this thread. I haven't a great deal of time to devote to it, but I am drawn to you, and to give you an answer. I don't have all the answers, by any means, , but I'll simply share from my heart briefly what I believe and why.

First I want to commend you for desiring to make a better life for a child, and to give your love, time, and efforts for her.

However, and you knew this was coming, it is from an account in Genesis in the life of Abraham and his nephew Lot that I am convinced homosexuality is not the way to go. I had to turn from it myself. Lot moved to Sodom and Gomorrah, and there was a practice of homosexuality in that place. Ultimately, God destroyed that city.

Before you panic, or get angry, bear in mind God is not against people, but against sin. There's a little cliche, "God hates the sin, but loves the sinner". True. It is displayed throughout the Bible innumerable times. He is love. He is compassionate, merciful, slow to anger, and quick to forgive. He is just at the same time. If a person were guilty in our courts of criminal activity, or even a misdeanor, they would be charged guilty, if proven to be so. A penalty must be paid. It is so with the Lord. Right is right and wrong is wrong. If one has sinned a penalty must be paid. Jesus paid that penalty. He took the charges so we could go free. It love that goes beyond what we can even think or imagine.

I don't want to get preachy, I said I'd be brief, and indeed time only permits me to be brief anyway.

I hope this also answers WM110, not wanting to leave you out.

And yes, all people fall short. You're absolutely right.

May you both be blessed in knowing the great love of the Lord.

Peace....

stan1980 said:

I've noticed that there seems to be quite a few gay posters on this forum, so seems like a good place to ask the question. In principle i think it's fine, and i'm sure a gay couple could make great parents. But, i just remember when i was a kid, i'm pretty sure i would have had to put up with a lot teasing if i had gay parents. Is it fair to put a kid through this?

Having said that, society is changing, but i'm not sure if it's changed enough just yet to allow it.

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My sense is that kids who tease are parroting their parents' prejudice.

So really, is it fair for kids to tease the children of gay couples?

CindyisHis said:

This is very difficult, for I am persuaded you are a kind, compassionate person, and no doubt do wonder why in the world I would say such a thing compunded by the fact that just because one merely professes Christ doesn't automatically make them a good parent. Sadly, many do bad, and even horrific things both in the church and outside (meaning Christian and non).

Geesh, I never intended to get tangled up in this thread. I haven't a great deal of time to devote to it, but I am drawn to you, and to give you an answer. I don't have all the answers, by any means, , but I'll simply share from my heart briefly what I believe and why.

First I want to commend you for desiring to make a better life for a child, and to give your love, time, and efforts for her.

However, and you knew this was coming, it is from an account in Genesis in the life of Abraham and his nephew Lot that I am convinced homosexuality is not the way to go. I had to turn from it myself. Lot moved to Sodom and Gomorrah, and there was a practice of homosexuality in that place. Ultimately, God destroyed that city.

Before you panic, or get angry, bear in mind God is not against people, but against sin. There's a little cliche, "God hates the sin, but loves the sinner". True. It is displayed throughout the Bible innumerable times. He is love. He is compassionate, merciful, slow to anger, and quick to forgive. He is just at the same time. If a person were guilty in our courts of criminal activity, or even a misdeanor, they would be charged guilty, if proven to be so. A penalty must be paid. It is so with the Lord. Right is right and wrong is wrong. If one has sinned a penalty must be paid. Jesus paid that penalty. He took the charges so we could go free. It love that goes beyond what we can even think or imagine.

I don't want to get preachy, I said I'd be brief, and indeed time only permits me to be brief anyway.

I hope this also answers WM110, not wanting to leave you out.

And yes, all people fall short. You're absolutely right.

May you both be blessed in knowing the great love of the Lord.

Peace....

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As I am single, and I don't have sex, what "sin" do you imagine I am engaging in?

However, and you knew this was coming, it is from an account in Genesis in the life of Abraham and his nephew Lot that I am convinced homosexuality is not the way to go. I had to turn from it myself. Lot moved to Sodom and Gomorrah, and there was a practice of homosexuality in that place. Ultimately, God destroyed that city.

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This is what caught my eye and explains everything. There is nothing more radical than an "ex" whatever.

NeTrips said:

I am against adoption by homosexuals. It is wrong to force kids into houses where kids are taught not only that sin is ok but where it is glorified.

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Like, from your viewpoint, kids with Muslim parents, or with a remarried parent, or where the family don't go to church?

CindyisHis said:

However, and you knew this was coming, it is from an account in Genesis in the life of Abraham and his nephew Lot that I am convinced homosexuality is not the way to go. I had to turn from it myself. Lot moved to Sodom and Gomorrah, and there was a practice of homosexuality in that place. Ultimately, God destroyed that city.

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The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality, not homosexuality.

Ohioprof said:

As I am single, and I don't have sex, what "sin" do you imagine I am engaging in?

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I guess I don't understand. I thought you said you were gay. And I don't believe I ever said you wre engaging in sin. What was said is we all have fallen short.

Hey, I gave you my 2 cents worth......