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Should evolution or/and creation to taught at schools?

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At this point in history, I feel inclined to think neither. Science should stick with the facts and leave theories to philosophical courses, or optional philosophical courses which are centered around Scientific theory, separate from other philosophical courses. Of course, when I attended public schools, there were no formal courses in Logic or philosophy, which is a disservice to young minds, not preparing young people for engaging other minds.
 
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This is one of those tricky subjects because if we say creation should be taught. Then we get into that if we want it taught, then all religions views on how things started should also be taught. In response christians would complain. Which kind of is annoying because if your in america you have to accept that asking for special things means you have to accept that other religions get special things too. Because if you don't then it just makes us look bad.

I mean of course I'd rather ONLY creation was taught. Or at most creation and evolution (to please non-believers). But sadly it doesn't work like that anymore in school(s).
 
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I think we need to be educated about what people think, about evolution and creation. We can't practically, though, get into every version of creation or evolution which is out there, though, I would say.

Not all people have the same understanding of what evolution is supposed to be. But in any case, I would not teach it as a fact, but point out how it has not been proven. But keep it in a scientific course, but talk about if and how it has been researched in a truly scientific way, with proof or not. Use it as an object lesson for evaluating if something is scientifically studied or not.

And I suspect that some number of people are trying to over-prove creation, using so-called evidence which is wishful, and wishful interpretation of discoveries and experiments.

But in case anyone is not honest with God about what they believe, they can't be expected to teach an honest course about creation and evolution. So, whether or not you have evolution and creation taught, there is the issue of if the teacher is honest or not, so there will be correct representation.
 
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Do you think in private schools or public ones?
Public schools must not favor a religion, so it's best to keep all religions separate, so that your own future children or grandchildren don't have to learn Islam....

I'm Christian, and like many Christians (about 1/2), i believe God used evolution.

BUT All families in America have freedom of religion, and that protects us and keeps Christianity free from worse political corruption.
 
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Science is a universal standard of knowing and understanding with evidence and facts. It should be taught at all schools as a basic subject required of students; no different than history, language, and math. This would include the current scientific consensus about evolution. I agree if there is a lack of evidence and facts to support the theory; then what evidence and facts had should be taught, with an understanding of what it honestly means and proposes.

Outside of a religious school, religious teaching from a religious perspective should be left to the parents and the family's church. Public schools are a universal place of education, it shouldn't have specific teachings about religion; except a general subject about religion from a historic and factual perspective.

As a Christian I value secularism as I believe it protects our freedom and sustains the prosperity of our country. I fear a situation where secularism is weaken and threaten by any oppressive religious system. Last thing I want is a Middle Eastern or medieval type problem where were divided by sectarian divisions. History is enough evidence how institutions can corrupt each other for greater authority and power. There's a reason why government and religion was separated, it caused problems in Europe resulting in much oppression and bloodshed.
 
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Do you think in private schools or public ones?
Science and the Bible can clash sometimes. Science would tell us that the earth is much older than the Bible teaches. Should we ban science in schools? Should we ban the Bible in schools? I think the two can coexist, even with their apparent differences. I wouldn't want to ban either.
 
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Science and the Bible can clash sometimes. Science would tell us that the earth is much older than the Bible teaches. Should we ban science in schools? Should we ban the Bible in schools? I think the two can coexist, even with their apparent differences. I wouldn't want to ban either.

Many who read the Bible very completely, fully, not skimming, do not see the Bible teaching the Earth is young. That's only an added theory some have, not in the scripture itself.
 
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Many who read the Bible very completely, fully, not skimming, do not see the Bible teaching the Earth is young. That's only an added theory some have, not in the scripture itself.
You remind me of 2 Peter 3:8 (RSV):

But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
 
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You remind me of 2 Peter 3:8 (RSV):

But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

I strongly agree that's a very important verse, especially when we wonder about the exact thing Peter is talking about -- when the Day of His return will come.

A separate thing of great importance is that we warn our brothers and sisters not to fall into the mistake or arguing science stuff with those that haven't found Christ and are lost.

It's crucial we don't fall into this trap of the enemy and get sidetracked to end up preaching to those lost a mere theory about time durations in Genesis, such as young Earth theory, but instead that we be sure that the message we give to the lost is the Good News, which they do not have and desperately need, of Christ Jesus our Savior Who came here to save us all from our wrongs, to Redeem us. (And we will likely be held accountable for whether we delivered this message when we talked with those who are lost about God) That's the only crucially key thing to say to those who are lost as the message they need, and never a theory about the age of the Earth.

When someone argues against God as Creator I can honestly say I know if God created all that is, as I believe, then He must have created physics (not maybe, not perhaps, but with total certainty).

Therefore the plausible and reasonable reading of Genesis chapter 1 as some do as figurative language isn't ever the issue.

It's not the thing.

It's not the basis to be saved.

We can say that God as creator is able to make a Universe that is currently about 14 billion years old, because He is the Creator, and that can only mean that He must have created physics. In other words never argue against mainstream science to those who are lost, lest you be held to account for arguing a mere theory instead of offering the gospel.
 
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Science and the Bible can clash sometimes. Science would tell us that the earth is much older than the Bible teaches. Should we ban science in schools? Should we ban the Bible in schools? I think the two can coexist, even with their apparent differences. I wouldn't want to ban either.
Both. Especially at the college level. Creation should at least be part of the class discussion, even if it can't be on tests at public high schools.
I also believe both can co-exist, as long as it doesn't make them stray from the faith that is of our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ....

Titus 1:11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

 
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The Bible, which is the eternal Word of God, must be taught in every public school.
Great idea! We should get the Roman Catholics to do it. All public school kids should be taught the Catechism, regardless of their faith.
 
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I really hope that's supposed to be ironic.
Of course. If I was really serious I would have proposed the Anglicans for it--we have the best historical claim. Still, the Catholics can make a strong case on a territorial basis--most of the lands we acquired as a nation beyond the original Thirteen Colonies were held by Spain or France, both at the time Catholic countries.

If you agreed with Compassion4, who would you tap to handle religious education in the public schools?
 
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