Should Christians support the creation of a Palestinian state in the Holy Land?

[Archivist]

Hamas is a terrosit Islamic organisation that wants to see the state of Israel wiped off the face of the earth. They are basically in charge in Palestine.

Not entirely true. Hamas governs the Gaza Strip. However, the Fatah party governs the West Bank.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Nonetheless its still safer for a Muslim in Israel than a jew in the West Bank or Gaza strip.

 

[Archivist]

Nonetheless its still safer for a Muslim in Israel than a jew in the West Bank or Gaza strip.

Perhaps, but your earlier claim was still incorrect.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Archivist,
My earlier claim was incorrect, nonetheless its still safer for a Muslim in Israel than a Jew in the West Bank or Gaza strip.
Should Christians support the establishment of a Palestinian state, yes I think so once they recognise the state of Israel.. seems reasonable to me.

 

[laconicstudent]

Wannabeadesigirl and Laconicstudent,
Hamas is a terrosit Islamic organisation that wants to see the state of Israel wiped off the face of the earth. They are basically in charge in Palestine. You seem to have more sympathy with Hamas lead Palestine than a country that wishes to live in peace without being rocketed even though it commits attrocities in retaliation. Why is that?


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Because I have more sympathy for the native people of Palestine then the occupying forces that regularly brutalize them?

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

Wannabeadesigirl and Laconicstudent,
Hamas is a terrosit Islamic organisation that wants to see the state of Israel wiped off the face of the earth. They are basically in charge in Palestine. You seem to have more sympathy with Hamas lead Palestine than a country that wishes to live in peace without being rocketed even though it commits attrocities in retaliation. Why is that?

What actions of Israel recently have indicated they want to live in peace that isn't won by the edge of the sword?
Israel is hardly the innocent party in this situation, and if Hamas is a terrorist organization then it's because of Israel that they were put into power.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Laconicstudent,

Because I have more sympathy for the native people of Palestine then the occupying forces that regularly brutalize them?

Why more sympathy for people who launch rocket attacks, commit suicide bombings and want another state wiped off the face of the earth? Why the bias?
I am more interested in reconciliation.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Wannabeadesigirl,

What actions of Israel recently have indicated they want to live in peace that isn't won by the edge of the sword?

or Hamas and Hezabolla etc?

Israel is hardly the innocent party in this situation,

Never said they were and neither is Hamas, so why the bias?

and if Hamas is a terrorist organization

Well the world generally thinks so, its seen as a terrorist organisation by the EU and the US for example, how come you aren’t sure?

then it's because of Israel that they were put into power.

Yes correct they hate the Jews.

 

[Archivist]

Why more sympathy for people who launch rocket attacks, commit suicide bombings and want another state wiped off the face of the earth?

And why more sympathy for a people who committed terrorist attacks against the British before the establishment of Israel?

 

[brightmorningstar]

Archvist,

And why more sympathy for a people who committed terrorist attacks against the British before the establishment of Israel?

Well ask the people who have more sympathy for Israel than Paltesine, but dont ask me because I dont.
The question I posed was
Why more sympathy for people who launch rocket attacks, commit suicide bombings and want another state wiped off the face of the earth?
Would you like to address that?

 

[Archivist]

Archvist,
Well ask the people who have more sympathy for Israel than Paltesine, but dont ask me because I dont.
The question I posed was
Why more sympathy for people who launch rocket attacks, commit suicide bombings and want another state wiped off the face of the earth?
Would you like to address that?

Would you mind answering my question first? You are aware, I presume, that the Jews used terrorist acts against the British.

 

[Cooch]

And why more sympathy for a people who committed terrorist attacks against the British before the establishment of Israel?

Because I am not the kind of racist who blames an entire people for the sins of an older generation. It is one thing to note what happened in history to bring a situation about... it is quite another to ignore that fact that one party is currently acting far more belligerently in the CURRENT situation.

I'll add that there is one place where all the citizens get to vote in a functional Democracy, without coercion... and it isn't Gaza.
There is one place that members of multiple religions can practice their faith openly, and it isn't the West Bank.
There is one place that minorities such as Homosexuals can exist without officially sanctioned persecution, and it isn't anywhere under the government of the Palestinian Authority.

Arguing that Jewish terrorism in the 1940s is reason to deny sympathy to modern Israel is about as rational as denying sympathy to modern Japanese because of what happened at Pearl Harbour in 1941

 

[brightmorningstar]

Archivist,

Would you mind answering my question first?

Excuse me? You asked your question after I asked mine. Would you mind answering my question first please?

You are aware, I presume, that the Jews used terrorist acts against the British.

I look forward to addressing this point.

 

[Archivist]

Because I am not the kind of racist who blames an entire people for the sins of an older generation.

Racist? Excuse me? Jews and Palestinans are both of the Caucasian race, as am I, so race isn't an issue here.

It is one thing to note what happened in history to bring a situation about... it is quite another to ignore that fact that one party is currently acting far more belligerently in the CURRENT situation.

I'm not ignoring any facts. I have never, in this or any other thread, denied that the nation of Israel has a right to exist. I have, however, agreed with those who have pointed out that both sides--Isreal and the Palestinans--have and unfortunately continue to commit acts of aggression. Despite that, I favor recognizing both the State of Israel and a Palestinian State.

I'll add that there is one place where all the citizens get to vote in a functional Democracy, without coercion... and it isn't Gaza.

But that isn't the issue in this thread.

There is one place that members of multiple religions can practice their faith openly, and it isn't the West Bank.

But that isn't the issue in this thread.

There is one place that minorities such as Homosexuals can exist without officially sanctioned persecution, and it isn't anywhere under the government of the Palestinian Authority.

But that isn't the issue in this thread.

Arguing that Jewish terrorism in the 1940s is reason to deny sympathy to modern Israel is about as rational as denying sympathy to modern Japanese because of what happened at Pearl Harbour in 1941

Then don't argue, as some are doing in this thread, that we shouldn't recognize a Palestinian State because they are practicing terrorism, while at the same time saying that it was proper to recognize the State Israel at a time when the Israelis were practicing terrorism. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Archivist]

You asked your question after I asked mine. Would you mind answering my question first please?

And I answered your question with a question.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Archivist,

You are aware, I presume, that the Jews used terrorist acts against the British.

yes so did the Arabs my father was out there at the time. So why are you so keen on pointing out what wrongs the Jews do instead of both the wrongs of the Jews and Arabs?

 

[Archivist]

yes so did the Arabs my father was out there at the time. So why are you so keen on pointing out what wrongs the Jews do instead of both the wrongs of the Jews and Arabs?

Please note what I wrote in my post number 34: "I'm not ignoring any facts. I have never, in this or any other thread, denied that the nation of Israel has a right to exist. I have, however, agreed with those who have pointed out that both sides--Isreal and the Palestinans--have and unfortunately continue to commit acts of aggression."

 

[brightmorningstar]

Archivist,

Please note what I wrote in my post number 34: "I'm not ignoring any facts. I have never, in this or any other thread, denied that the nation of Israel has a right to exist. I have, however, agreed with those who have pointed out that both sides--Isreal and the Palestinans--have and unfortunately continue to commit acts of aggression."

Completely agree with you.

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

Wannabeadesigirl,
or Hamas and Hezabolla etc?
Never said they were and neither is Hamas, so why the bias?
Well the world generally thinks so, its seen as a terrorist organisation by the EU and the US for example, how come you aren’t sure? Yes correct they hate the Jews.

So if Hamas and Israel are committing atrocities why are you biased for Israel?

I am biased for any Christians caught in the cross fire. This includes the Palestinian Christians who are getting a beating, and I'm upset because the Christian church in America continues to support Israel when it is contributing to the displacement of our brothers and sisters.

 

[Paxton25]

The comments on this thread are woeful and unBiblical. What Israelis and Palestinians do or don't do have nothing to do with God's promises regarding Israel. They will be fulfilled because God said that they would through his prophets.

It makes no difference what Orthodox Jews or Christians think of the OT prophets. New Testament junkies would be wise to re-read Romans 9-11. God has not forgotten about Israel. Replacement Theology is unBiblical. The Day of the Lord is coming whether you like it or not.