Should Christians support Jews in rebuilding of Third Temple?

Purge187 said:

I've been blessed financially and spiritually as a result of sending my tithes to an organization that helps needy Jews, but the faster the Temple is constructed, the faster the Antichrist steps up to the plate.

I'd be in no hurry.

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Unless....... perhaps the final Cyrus type.... who is led by Messiah Yeshua/Jesus by the right hand..... appears like an opponent to Messiah Jesus/Yeshua...... Ancient King Cyrus gave freedom of religion to all 127 provinces of the Persian Empire........... Rabbi Jesus/Yeshua sure seemed to be a staunch supporter of the Levitical laws.......... a possible conflict seems to be facing us here.....?????!!!!

Does Messiah Jesus/Yeshua...... in a sense raise up the Cyrus type as something of an opponent to HIMSELF......so that Cyrus in a sense becomes lawyer for the defence for New Agers...... Hindus... Buddhists...... Orthodox Jews.... Moslems..... etc., etc.,........

Isaiah 45 mentions that the Cyrus type..... does not KNOW the G-d of Abraham....... so the human Cyrus... surely cannot be Messiah Jesus/Yeshua????????!!!!!

Kalevalatar said:

Nothing has changed. Christians should not support the Jews to build more temples-whatever. The Jewish do not need more temples-whatever. The Jews seriously need Jesus Christ. Otherwise, our friend the Jews are going to spend their eternity with their dear friends the Muslims.

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So then you believe that the answer that former atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm got to his question regarding the holocaust was misleading?

Howard Storm:
I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission. The people were Jewish men, women, and children. Exhausted from hunger and thirst, they were totally disoriented from the ordeal of being rounded up and sent on a long journey to an unknown destination. They believed that they were going to work camps, and that their submission to the brutality of the guards was the only way to survive.

We went to the area where the selection process was taking place and heard the guards talking about "the Angel Maker." We went to the place the guards were referring to as "the Angel Maker," which was a series of ovens. I saw piles of naked corpses being loaded into the ovens, and I began to cry. ...."These are the people God loves." Then he said, "Look up." Rising out of the smoke of the chimneys, I saw hundreds of people being met by thousands of angels taking them up into the sky. There was great joy in the faces of the people, and there appeared to be no trace of a memory of the horrendous suffering they had just endured. How ironic that the guards sarcastically called the ovens "the Angel Maker."
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I asked how God could allow this to happen. They told me that this was not God's will. This was an abomination to God. God wants this never to happen again. This was the sacrifice of an innocent people to whom God had given the law to be an example, a light, to the rest of the world. This Holocaust was breaking God's heart...."

I asked, Why does God let things like this happen? They told me that God was very unhappy with the course of human history and was going to intervene to change the world. God had watched us sink to depths of depravity and cruelty at the very time that he was giving us the instruments to make the world a godlier world. God had intervened in the world many times before, but this time God was going to change the course of human events.// (Howard Storm, My Descent Into Death, page 42,43)

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II Corinthians 12:2-4:

"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; )
How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."...
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... Perhaps... Paul was coming pretty close to writing down some of those nearly unlawful statement in Romans 11?!


Romans 11:32
"For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

Kalevalatar said:

The wages of sin is death. Jesus said He is the way, and the truth, and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him.

Our wishing it weren't so and our limited understanding of the "fairness" of God's judgment matters not at all.

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but……..when somebody who is Jewish asks for G-d to send Moshiach……. speedily……. does not this prayer also help to speed the time when Yeshua/ Jesus will come down to the Mt. of Olives as he went up?

…. is Messiah Yeshua/ Jesus the ultimate Cyrus type as elaborated on in Isaiah chapters 42 to 46?

… the human Cyrus did not know the G-d of Abraham but….. G-d held him by the right hand… and directed all his ways……….. was it Yeshua/ Jesus as the Word/ Logos who held Cyrus by the right hand?

… if so…. then doesn't this indicate that the Word/ Logos respects sincerity…. of belief and practice…. even if it is not exactly in line with what Yeshua/ Jesus instructed…. because the person does not yet understand what Yeshua accomplished.

LittleLambofJesus said:

So I take it you do not agree with the present Pope's view of non-Christians having a chance to make it to heaven w/o belief in Jesus.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the Saints;
here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7828070/
Pope announces it may be possible for atheists to go to heaven!




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I personally believe that the Pope is correct about ethical atheists being able to go into a positive place in the afterlife after their death.

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(near-death.com):

b. His Guided Tour of the Earthbound Realm with Jesus

Then Jesus begins to take Ritchie on a journey through various realms of the afterlife. They fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. They witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to grab a cigarette from the workers who were oblivious to her presence. This woman had died severely addicted to cigarettes and was now cut off from the one thing she desperately desired most.

Ritchie realizes how the spirits in these realms immediately know the thoughts of other spirits around them. This is the reason they tend to group together with other spirits. It is too threatening to be around others who knew and disagreed with their thoughts.

Jesus leads Ritchie to a house somewhere on Earth where he is shown the spirit of a young man following his living family members around and begging them for forgiveness. But the family members are completely unaware of his presence. Jesus tells Ritchie the young man committed suicide and is "chained to every consequence of his act."

They then traveled to a bar somewhere on Earth which was filled with sailors drinking heavily. Spirits surrounded the sailors as they tried desperately, and in vain, to grasp the shot glasses to get a drink. Other spirits tried to control the sailors' alcoholic behavior. Ritchie learns these are the spirits of people who died still having a severe alcoholic addiction which went beyond the physical. He is bewildered as he observes one of the sailors passing out causing the sailor's protective aura surrounding him to crack open. When it does, it allows a spirit to scramble into the sailor's unconscious body. This scene was repeated over and over.
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c. His Experience of the "Receiving Station"

Jesus then takes Ritchie to another realm and is shown a kind of "receiving station" where spirits would arrive in a deep hypnotic sleep because of a particular religious belief they held to be true. Here there were "angels" trying to arouse them and help them realize, "God is truly a God of the living and that they did not have to lie around sleeping until Gabriel or someone came along blowing on a horn." These are the spirits of people who believe they must sleep in their grave until the second coming of Christ (i.e., soul sleep.)

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e. His Observations of the Temple of Wisdom

They then travel to a completely different realm where some kind of enormous university is located. Spirits dressed as monks busily and happily engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. An enormous library exists here where all the important books of the universe are assembled. Ritchie asks Jesus if this is heaven. These are the spirits of people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth; but, like the spirits in hell, these spirits cannot see Jesus either.
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f. His Vision of the Heavenly City

Ritchie is then taken into outer space toward a distant city made of brilliant light - similar in description to the heavenly city in the Book of Revelation (see also Revelation 21:10-27.) This is the place where people go who have become like Jesus while on Earth - a place where love is the dominant focus of life. This is heaven he realizes; but he is not allowed to enter it. Instead, Jesus shows him the future of Earth and is told to return to his physical body. At this point, Ritchie is revived from death.

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Kalevalatar said:

I agree with Pope Francisco's three main points:

1) that God has never stopped believing in the alliance made with Israel and that God wants the Jews, too, to find salvation in Jesus Christ,

2) that God's mercy has no limits,

and that 3) Jesus is the way, the truth, the life, and that this truth is not variable and subjective.

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Kalevalatar........ in your opinion.... is the being of light of near death experience fame....... who reviews peoples lives with them … probably The Word/Logos/ The G-d of Abraham who spoke to Moses and breathed life into Adam and Eve..... or is this being of light probably Satan....appearing as an angel of light?

I ask this because I see an opportunity for astonishing steps toward to be made in Israel and in Jordan..... before the Canadian federal election of 2015???????!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4mycanada/


Yes...… Mr Justin Trudeau's abortion stand does stifle debate but because P. M. Stephen Harper has done essentially the same thing...… he has made it extremely difficult for Mr. Trudeau to take any other course of action at this time.
One of the only ways that I can think of to finance an economy that could help women to come out of their mentality of hopelessness that tends to pressure them into choosing to have an abortion... is through documentary, reality and semi-reality science fiction film projects partly financed by local currencies

..... response to pro-life article by SunNewsMedia by Michael Coren....

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I am a member of the Liberal Party who feels that what P. M. Stephen Harper did for Israel back in 2011 was one of the most courageous and wise acts by a political leader in the past four decades since I began to watch world events.


P. M. Stephen Harper is a courageous political leader who in the nation of Israel is regarded as somewhat of a King David because frankly.... it is like he took out the seven Goliath brothers.... all by himself..... assisted by his Conservative Party of course......… It has taken me a while to decide to just come out publicly and admit this.... but it should be said..... so I just did!


On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit - The Globe and Mail

"On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit"

.....It is not due to cowardice that P. M. Harper and Mr. Justin Trudeau refuse to allow their parties to debate the financing of abortions in Canada. It is also not because they place a low value on human life.... it is actually because........ they really do believe that a Canadian woman has the right to make that choice....herself...... if she wishes! It took me a while.... but now........ I feel that the situation that a Canadian woman faces when she is pregnant...… and not independently wealthy...… is to a degree comparable to the 900 refugees at Masada who chose suicide over becoming slaves to the Roman Empire.

The modern Canadian and American economy is far more so comparable to the Roman Empire than we might care to admit.

Here is one of the only ways that I can think of to begin to alter the economy of Canada toward the world that former atheist Howard Storm viewed during his near death experience where the raising of children was the priority in each home and gardening with little effort was major activity number two.
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"Canada's Worst Politician, the film series concept."

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Howard Storm....."The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.

And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.



There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.



What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables." (Howard Storm, near-death.com)

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In my opinion...… Prime Minister Stephen Harper.... is the world leader who might just be able to negotiate a peace deal between the nations of Jordan and Israel that will fit with what was shown to Dannion Brinkley during one of his two near death expereinces...… Government and politics are two completely different animals......so P. M. Harper... would tend to feel pressure to accomplish this before the 2015 election....... Your prayers about all this will be appreciated......… Your making a comment and saying something would also be nice....... So if Elijah was here.... and if he asked you if the being of light of near death experience fame was the Word/ Logos/ The G-d of Abraham......or not..... what would your answer be?

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.....……Dannion Brinkley:

......................"Boxes four and five were scenes from the Middle East, showing how this area of eternal strife would reach a boiling point. Religion would play a large role in these problems, as would the economy. A constant need for outside money fueled much of the anger and hatred that I saw in these boxes.In the first of these boxes I saw two agreements taking place.In the first, Israelis and Arabs were agreeing to something, but what was unclear to me.The second accord was one that I could see in some detail. Men were shaking hands and there was much talk about a new country. Then I saw a collage of images: the River Jordan, a settlement from Israel that was spreading into Jordan, and a map on which the country of Jordan was changing color.

As I watched this puzzling collage unfold, I heard a Being speak telepathically to me and say that the country of Jordan would exist no more. I did not hear the name of the new country."
(Dannion Brinkley, page 26, Saved By The Light, Scribd version)

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(In case you are wondering how this relates to the topic of Christian support for the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple complex by Jews..... notice Dannion Brinkley saw TWO agreements taking place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Purge187 said:

I've been blessed financially and spiritually as a result of sending my tithes to an organization that helps needy Jews, but the faster the Temple is constructed, the faster the Antichrist steps up to the plate.

I'd be in no hurry.

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But..... doesn't this also speed up the time for Zechariah chapter 14 to be fulfilled?

Doesn't this also speed up the time when lions will eat straw like an ox and the nations will not learn war anymore?

LittleLambofJesus said:

How do you feel about the responses to this thread?
Are you disappointed with the majority of NO votes?

Too bad it wasn't a public poll..........

View Poll Results: Should Christians support Jewish control of Temple Mount and rebuilding of Temple?

Yes, I believe that every word in Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48 must be fulfilled.

16 18.39%
No, this could lead to a war and human life is of more value than any temple!

52 59.77
No, doing this might speed up the time of the coming of the anti-Messiah!

5 5.75%
Yes, King Cyrus was led by the God of Abraham and he supported this cause.

0 0%
No, I believe that we should all be vegetarians and never kill animals.

6 6.90%
Yes, our nation will be blessed if we bless the Jewish people.

8 9.20%

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I was greatly encouraged by this poll. Almost thirty percent of responses were basically on the same page as I am on..... and the other answers were certainly ones that I can identify with.