Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

[Angel4Truth]

Thank you for the link. The state AG's determination (.pdf here) is an interesting read. It seems that the issue there hinged on whether or not the rental of the pavilion (not a chapel) was considered a public accommodation, or was restricted to members of the religious organization in question and hence, private (like a club's facilities would be). It looks as if the organization made the pavilion otherwise publicly available, thus was subject to anti-discrimination laws connected with public spaces in that given jurisdiction.

If the couple had been barred from marrying in a Methodist chapel, that would have been one thing: churches often restrict weddings to members only, as is their clear right as private organizations. Seems the above pavilion was in a rather more gray area: a space privately owned, but offered to non-members for public use. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

When same-sex marriage is legalized I suppose more suits will happen. But oddly enough, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing: such suits can serve the purpose of working out where the boundaries of church and state are. And I think that still benefits both, in the long run, though it may be troublesome in the short run.

But eh, that's just me.

Thank you again for the link. Let me know if you have others.

It was a wedding pavillion where religious ceremonies were held. Any church should be able to deny any wedding gay or straight. Anyway there are loads of other incidents as well .

First its said "we would never do that" then its "we have a right to do that"

See its hypocrisy to me - we (christians and churches) are being demanded to accept something that is against our religion with claims that we are violating "their " rights while they could give a hoot that they violate ours in forcing it. Thats why youll always see christians standing against this because we already know they cant wait to force it into our churches.

 

[b&wpac4]

Anarchy is solely minded to how the individual felt at the time in society as a whole and for now we believe in God as a Whole, but yes we will lose the culture war( we are on the decline) and be careful what you ask for, you may get. No one that is good will be here to hold back evil for evil will reign over anything good and at that point who care about who lives or dies

That's just silly nonsense. Of course there will still be laws and such to protect people. That's why we bothered to build a nation of laws to begin with. Why do you think all that would just fall apart?

 

[Pliny the Elder]

It was a wedding pavillion where religious ceremonies were held. Any church should be able to deny any wedding gay or straight. Anyway there are loads of other incidents as well .

First its said "we would never do that" then its "we have a right to do that"

See its hypocrisy to me - we (christians and churches) are being demanded to accept something that is against our religion with claims that we are violating "their " rights while they could give a hoot that they violate ours in forcing it. Thats why youll always see christians standing against this because we already know they cant wait to force it into our churches.

The church pavilion my wife and I tried to get married in refused because we had no religious vows and wanted to bring our own beer and wine in which they did not approve of and we did not sue we just got married on the beach and had the reception in a microbrewery.

 

[TheBear]

Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

Either stay as far away from gays as you can, seeking scripture for refuge, or, submit to your urges.







ETA - I say this because there are some who are so fixated on and consumed by this topic, one has to wonder what's really going on.

 

[Garyzenuf]

A man in new mexico was sued for 6000.oo for refusing photography for a gay couple as well and i could go on and on - do you still need more links? Its already all happened here.

so much for "we promise not to force it in churches and on christian businesses"

Is discriminating against citizens in the US because of their sexual-orientation still legal?

P.S.- not trying to start a fight, just curious.

 

[Angel4Truth]

The church pavilion my wife and I tried to get married in refused because we had no religious vows and wanted to bring our own beer and wine in which they did not approve of and we did not sue we just got married on the beach and had the reception in a microbrewery.

Your an atheist - a church should be allowed to deny your wedding - a pastor usually councels who gets married and because of freedom of religion should be allowed to deny those who do not meet that churches criteria for marriage.

I wouldnt go to a catholic church and demand they marry me because I know do not meet their requirements for marriage. I would find a pastor or even have a civil service at the courthouse if i couldnt find a clergy member because I understand it would be ridiculous and hypocritical to demand someone whose beliefs are not like mine to marry me.

 

[allhart]

That's just silly nonsense. Of course there will still be laws and such to protect people. That's why we bothered to build a nation of laws to begin with. Why do you think all that would just fall apart?

You can't legislate morality that's why and If God pulls all his people. Who's safe from the evil mind and Who would care about you. Every man for him self. If you think people can't morally keep things straight now. What until God's people are gone. If people get away with unmoral behavior now what until Pandora's box is completely opened? Hell is the total affirmation to free will. I imagine Hitlers death camps where mind blowing

 

[Pliny the Elder]

Your an atheist - a church should be allowed to deny your wedding - a pastor usually councels who gets married and because of freedom of religion should be allowed to deny those who do not meet that churches criteria for marriage.

I wouldnt go to a catholic church and demand they marry me because I know do not meet their requirements for marriage. I would find a pastor or even have a civil service at the courthouse if i couldnt find a clergy member because I understand it would be ridiculous and hypocritical to demand someone whose beliefs are not like mine to marry me.

We did not want the pastor to marry us we just wanted to rent the hall that they rent out which we were also denied, we had an atheist friend perform the wedding.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Is discriminating against citizens in the US because of their sexual-orientation still legal?

P.S.- not trying to start a fight, just curious.

That is for jobs and housing - it doesnt say that services like christian wedding photographers who only take photos at christian services.

I think its sad that someone doesnt have enough self decency to find one more to their beliefs. There are loads of secular photographers - they didnt need a christian conservative one who only works at christian weddings.

I grow weary of crys of intolerance from those being beyond intolerant of what they claim would be fair to them.

 

[Angel4Truth]

We did not want the pastor to marry us we just wanted to rent the hall that they rent out which we were also denied, we had an atheist friend perform the wedding.

Its their property and unless they routinely rent it to atheists for weddings you werent treated unfairly. Most churches ive seen will only perform weddings for members of the church and if outside of the church require pastoral counceling first.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Personally I would like it very much if Christians would simply mind their own business and I would never have to interact with most of them at all. But no, I have to put up with them trying to take away my rights, and blasting my kids in the face with bullhorns telling them "Your parents lie to you, don't listen to your parents, turn to Jesus!" so loud they practically damaged their hearing.

Christians aren't content not to interact with gays. Somehow they think our business is their business.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

Personally I would like it very much if Christians would simply mind their own business and I would never have to interact with most of them at all. But no, I have to put up with them trying to take away my rights, and blasting my kids in the face with bullhorns telling them "Your parents lie to you, don't listen to your parents, turn to Jesus!" so loud they practically damaged their hearing.

They would get a ticket for noise pollution if they used bullhorns here.

Christians aren't content not to interact with gays. Somehow they think our business is their business.

They think everyones business is their business.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

They would get a ticket for noise pollution if they used bullhorns here.

My kids were in the pride parade riding on a float. Christians were there picketing the parade and apparently they thought that their < staff edit > shouting into bullhorns was going to leave a more positive impression than their two loving lesbian Moms. :rolls eyes:

See the attached pic, lol My kids reaction? "Those mean people hurt my ears."

They think everyones business is their business.

Yes they do. If they would leave me alone I would leave them alone. But as long as they try to enact legislation to strip me of my rights, I will be a very prominent voice against their < staff edit >

 

[Pliny the Elder]

My kids were in the pride parade riding on a float. Christians were there picketing the parade and apparently they thought that their < staff edit > shouting into bullhorns was going to leave a more positive impression than their two loving lesbian Moms. :rolls eyes:

See the attached pic, lol My kids reaction? "Those mean people hurt my ears."

Yes they do. If they would leave me alone I would leave them alone. But as long as they try to enact legislation to strip me of my rights, I will be a very prominent voice against their < staff edit >

Are we sure he did not eat someone before the parade?


And seriously that dude is guilty of some major gluttony.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Personally I would like it very much if Christians would simply mind their own business and I would never have to interact with most of them at all. But no, I have to put up with them trying to take away my rights, and blasting my kids in the face with bullhorns telling them "Your parents lie to you, don't listen to your parents, turn to Jesus!" so loud they practically damaged their hearing.

Christians aren't content not to interact with gays. Somehow they think our business is their business.

Strange that you are a member of a christian message board then. Did someone drag you here and force you to sign up?

 

[Polycarp1]

On that wedding pavilion issue -- if this is the story out of New Jersey, it's a bizarre situation. The town was originally founded by the Methodist Episcopal Church as a seaside retreat center. Later it became incorporated as a community and lost its relationship with the Methodist Church (except, of course, there was a local congregation with a building there). The pavilion was on town land, belonged to the town, but had largely been used by the church, which mistakenly felt it had some authority over it. The church was not forced to do anything except give up its erroneous claim to control what could be done in a town-owned facility.

Several less-than-honest "family values" websites have claimed this as a case of gays forcing a church to do something. It wasn't (other than their being told that their predominant use of the town's pavilion didn't give them exclusive rights to say who could or could not be married there).

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Personally I would like it very much if Christians would simply mind their own business and I would never have to interact with most of them at all. But no, I have to put up with them trying to take away my rights, and blasting my kids in the face with bullhorns telling them "Your parents lie to you, don't listen to your parents, turn to Jesus!" so loud they practically damaged their hearing.

Any proof that this happens?

Christians aren't content not to interact with gays. Somehow they think our business is their business.

Unfortunatley, Gay Activists have chosen the public school system and legislative process to go after kids for supporting a lifestyle most have no clue about the dangers of trying. Most of whom do not have Gay, Lesbian or Bi-Sexual parents and should be left alone. But, are still forced to submit to ONLY a gay/liberal agenda no matter what or how decent Christian families ask the GLBT activists to stop.

Christians shouldn't have to engage homosexuals at all, but in a decadent and hedonistic society such as America 2008, this unfortunate occurence is all too common. Better to be prepared to live for Christ even under dire conditions and prepare your children to reject the advances of those seeking initiates into an unacceptable way of life. Christ Jesus and His Apostles did not leave this topic unmentioned, and did say to avoid those that live a life antithetical to Christian truth.

 

[b&wpac4]

You can't legislate morality that's why and If God pulls all his people. Who's safe from the evil mind and Who would care about you. Every man for him self. If you think people can't morally keep things straight now. What until God's people are gone. If people get away with unmoral behavior now what until Pandora's box is completely opened? Hell is the total affirmation to free will. I imagine Hitlers death camps where mind blowing

Ah, so before Christians it was all just mass murder and nobody could form a society at all? Death camps were everywhere and nobody knew right from wrong?

Really?

 

[Angel4Truth]

On that wedding pavilion issue -- if this is the story out of New Jersey, it's a bizarre situation. The town was originally founded by the Methodist Episcopal Church as a seaside retreat center. Later it became incorporated as a community and lost its relationship with the Methodist Church (except, of course, there was a local congregation with a building there). The pavilion was on town land, belonged to the town, but had largely been used by the church, which mistakenly felt it had some authority over it. The church was not forced to do anything except give up its erroneous claim to control what could be done in a town-owned facility.

Several less-than-honest "family values" websites have claimed this as a case of gays forcing a church to do something. It wasn't (other than their being told that their predominant use of the town's pavilion didn't give them exclusive rights to say who could or could not be married there).

Actually it was claimed on a gay and lesbian site to be owned by the methodist church and the church lost its tax exempt status over it - hardly would lose that if it wasnt theirs.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Are we sure he did not eat someone before the parade?

I think I'm gonna start picketing and protesting church pot lucks and fellowship dinners. Their gluttony is slapping God in the face, besides the fact that their unhealthy lifestyle costs the rest of us money by increasing insurance and medical costs.