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Should Christians believe in Evolution?
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alerj123 said:
Not true; you can choose to believe in anything you want. You can convince yourself of all kinds of things, if you try really hard.
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ImmortalTechnique
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yes, christians should ACCEPT evolution because if they don't, they are either wilfully ignorant or lying
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alerj123 said:
Oh, I never said it would be a good thing; but yes, people have convinced themselves they could fly and have jumped off things. It doesn't mean they're right, or smart, but the human mind has amazing powers to hold onto a belief inspite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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It's up to you as to what you believe. If you think your God supports evolution, and you think it is true, then by all means believe in it. I personally think it makes more sense than creationism, but really it is your choice.MegaJosh said:
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I agree that it can be done, but I don't think many people possess this ability. It depends on the object of belief, as well. When used as a method of denial or rationalization, false beliefs are easy to come by. Irrelevant objects, such as the color of grass, are (nearly) impossible to believe falsely.z3ro said:
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nvxplorer said:
True, though I don't know if I'd call grass color a belief, more like an observation. And even then, I've met a disturbing number of people that were able to deny the reality right in front of their faces.
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Yeah, it was a poor analogy, but I trust my meaning got through.z3ro said:
I've known many people who did deny reality, but I've never met anyone who could genuinely deny it at will. Or is that not what you meant?
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nvxplorer said:
I don't know that I meant deny it at will, but definetly when it conflicted with something they believed to be true.
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MegaJosh said:
I think Christians can. I personally do. There is nothing in evolution that discredits God. As someon who leans towards theistic evolution, I believe God used evolution to create the world you see today. However, don't get the idea that I think creationists are wrong. I don't know if I am right or wrong, but I think it makes more sense.
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rmwilliamsll
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alerj123 said:
this is a really interesting statement.
for if you are open to being persuaded by the evidence, in a real sense you are not exercising choice as much as reasoning through the evidences according to your epistemological rules.
but what about deceived people?
seems to be 2 kinds-self deceived and deceived by others.
deceived people seem to believe what is not true because they have intense desires to do so. like YECists believing that there is scientific evidence for a recent global flood.
if they believe so on the basis of authority that is their pastors told them in is so, that is one thing. but it is another to believe so on the grounds of willful ignorance. but there is another choice, those that have such a skepticism concerning science that they truely disbelieve its claims based on their perception of a faulty epistemology, that is unbelievers are deceived by the spirits against God.
each group needs a different sort of approach to guide them to a more robust and truthful epistemology. but essentially it is true that we dont choose to believe something but we find and believe things that are consistent with our current thought structures and worldviews. we are persuaded more than we choose between equally valid viewpoints.
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That's quite common. I knew a woman who after having heart surgery, refused to quit smoking because gaining weight would be harmful to her heart.z3ro said:
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GodsSamus said:
Your darn right! We didn't come from no monkeys! After all, if there are monkeys today, how could we be from monkeys?! Answer me that you evolutionists!!
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Agreed, and the question becomes; is everyone fully responsible for their particular epistemological level? I would say no. While we are all capable of learning, we are also slaves to our biology, environment and history.rmwilliamsll said:
I agree with your groupings, and I'd add that there exist people who are incapable of breaking through their current level, regardless of outside influence.
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