Should Christian help each others ?

[wikey321]

I have been visiting many Churches and different branches of Christ for many years. I noticed most have the similar habit but not all which is judgement over other religions. i.e. they should, they should not, it's not making sense, etc. Well, they never even try to understand or put in their shoe even a bit of course not making sense ?

Some religions are illegal to convert to Christian in certain country so they have no choice to accept the fact to understand each other better.

Questions: Should Christian keep criticizing each other till last breath of their life or help each other to make this world better or there are other options?

This is related to the post below.
Understanding each other religion

 

[FutureAndAHope]

I have been visiting many Churches and different branches of Christ for many years. I noticed most have the similar habit but not all which is judgement over other religions. i.e. they should, they should not, it's not making sense, etc. Well, they never even try to understand or put in their shoe even a bit of course not making sense ?

Some religions are illegal to convert to Christian in certain country so they have no choice to accept the fact to understand each other better.

Questions: Should Christian keep criticizing each other till last breath of their life or help each other to make this world better or there are other options?

This is related to the post below.
Understanding each other religion

Each religion presents God in a different way, some in very destructive ways. Let's just say for sake of argument that "God is love", like the bible says. A loving God would not want to be associated with a religion like Islam, because Islam presents a very legalistic, even brutal view of God. Malachi has a verse that gives a part of God's character. It talks about how he hates divorce, because it impacts children, stating in a part of the scripture:

Mal 2:15 But did He not make them one, Having a remnant of the Spirit? And why one? He seeks godly offspring. "Therefore take heed to your spirit, And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth.

This equally could be applied to religions, Jesus seeks children who are bought up in the ways of God, kindness, forgiveness and His nature of loving-kindness. Would God not hate religions that teach, a man can beat his wife, or kill his enemies? SOme religions teach these evil things. God Himself would teach against them.

 

[Tolworth John]

Should Christian keep criticizing each other till last breath of their life or help each other to make this world better or there are other options?

Should Christians keep telling people the truth?
This is often seen as being critical of other beliefs.

Do you believe the non5 that all religions lead to God, or do you accept that there is only one way to God?

( how can Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam and Christianity All be true, when they contradict each other? )

 

[wikey321]

brutal view of God
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Where is that written in Quran ?

 

[wikey321]

Should Christians keep telling people the truth?
This is often seen as being critical of other beliefs.

Do you believe the non5 that all religions lead to God, or do you accept that there is only one way to God?

( how can Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam and Christianity All be true, when they contradict each other? )

Telling the truth is a communication arts taught by Jesus ? Or layman word which is the choice of word ?

In Buddhism, we pretty emphasis on that. In the mantra that they recite, the content is to mind your word n tongue over n over so we very careful in speaking. Nevertheless,in the true monastery I experienced 0% of critic of other religion but rather n mutually respect and understanding. Guess it has same meaning as below.

In Mark 12:32–33, the scribe who asked Jesus the question responds with, “To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Where is that written in Quran ?

Muhammad replaced the Law with his own. Muhammad did not follow the OT he created his own laws. Take the law of theft, in the OT it was:

Exo 22:1 If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.​

In the OT the thief had to restore (with extra) what he had stolen. But Muhammad changed that law to:

Quran 5:38 As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.​

The OT law makes more sense, it adds a penalty but does not harm the person. Muhammad’s law is massively more strict.

There is also no law like the following in the Bible. The Quran’s law on marriage is clearly evil.

Sahih International (Quran 4:34): Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Pickthall (Quran 4:34): Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.​

The above is not in the Bible, it is not a truth. The way Muhammad treated people is also contrary to Jesus teaching to "love one another".

Matthew 5:43-44 You have heard people say, "Love your neighbors and hate your enemies." But I tell you to love your enemies and pray for anyone who mistreats you.

Mark 12:30-31 And you are to have love for the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. The second is this, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself. There is no other law greater than these.​

As we see from the Hadith Muhammad did not love his enemies, he treated them with distain and cruelty.

7.623 Narrated Anas bin Malik: [initial text]…. When this news reached the Prophet he sent in their pursuit (and they were caught and brought). The Prophet ordered that their eyes be branded with heated iron bars and their hands be cut off, and they were left at Al−Harra till they died in that state. - Abram, Simon. Islamic Hadith . Kindle Edition.​

 

[wikey321]

Muhammad replaced the Law with his own. Muhammad did not follow the OT he created his own laws. Take the law of theft, in the OT it was:

Exo 22:1 If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.​

In the OT the thief had to restore (with extra) what he had stolen. But Muhammad changed that law to:

Quran 5:38 As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.​

The OT law makes more sense, it adds a penalty but does not harm the person. Muhammad’s law is massively more strict.

There is also no law like the following in the Bible. The Quran’s law on marriage is clearly evil.

Sahih International (Quran 4:34): Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Pickthall (Quran 4:34): Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.​

The above is not in the Bible, it is not a truth. The way Muhammad treated people is also contrary to Jesus teaching to "love one another".

Matthew 5:43-44 You have heard people say, "Love your neighbors and hate your enemies." But I tell you to love your enemies and pray for anyone who mistreats you.

Mark 12:30-31 And you are to have love for the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. The second is this, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself. There is no other law greater than these.​

As we see from the Hadith Muhammad did not love his enemies, he treated them with distain and cruelty.

7.623 Narrated Anas bin Malik: [initial text]…. When this news reached the Prophet he sent in their pursuit (and they were caught and brought). The Prophet ordered that their eyes be branded with heated iron bars and their hands be cut off, and they were left at Al−Harra till they died in that state. - Abram, Simon. Islamic Hadith . Kindle Edition.​

Let me ask the Muslim scolar

 

[timf]

Should Christian keep criticizing each other

Paul declares that such criticism and contention are signs of immaturity.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Various denominations might be a good starting point to learn about Jesus, however, Christian growth has to come from bible study, inquiry, and questioning.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I have been visiting many Churches and different branches of Christ for many years. I noticed most have the similar habit but not all which is judgement over other religions. i.e. they should, they should not, it's not making sense, etc. Well, they never even try to understand or put in their shoe even a bit of course not making sense ?

Some religions are illegal to convert to Christian in certain country so they have no choice to accept the fact to understand each other better.

Questions: Should Christian keep criticizing each other till last breath of their life or help each other to make this world better or there are other options?

This is related to the post below.
Understanding each other religion

Welcome to CF. No government or person can own the heart and only God knows the heart. That being said, there is nothing to stop a person from believing in Jesus Christ of Nazareth from the heart. This is where it begins and remains.
I hope you can understand what I am saying. Blessings.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

( how can Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam and Christianity All be true, when they contradict each other? )

They all can point to truth and express it in different ways.

 

[Tolworth John]

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In Buddhism, we pretty emphasis on that.

As I understand Buddhism there is no God.
Whuich means your aproval of a quote about loving God meaningless.

QUOTE="wikey321, post: 76989987, member: 426504"]Guess it has same meaning as below.

In Mark 12:32–33, the scribe who asked Jesus the question responds with, “To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.[/QUOTE]

 

[Tolworth John]

They all can point to truth and express it in different ways.

Many gods, or one view of God that directly contradicts the view of God held by others are all in some way correct.

What utter nonsence.

 

[public hermit]

OT law makes more sense, it adds a penalty but does not harm the person

The OT has some horrendous laws, too:
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, 19then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. 20They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid. Deut.21:18-21

 

[wikey321]

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As I understand Buddhism there is no God.
Whuich means your aproval of a quote about loving God meaningless.

QUOTE="wikey321, post: 76989987, member: 426504"]Guess it has same meaning as below.

In Mark 12:32–33, the scribe who asked Jesus the question responds with, “To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.

[/QUOTE]

Well, in Buddhism , they recognise Jesus as supreme being n a teacher. So, we don't criticise

Muhammad replaced the Law with his own. Muhammad did not follow the OT he created his own laws. Take the law of theft, in the OT it was:

Exo 22:1 If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.​

In the OT the thief had to restore (with extra) what he had stolen. But Muhammad changed that law to:

Quran 5:38 As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.​

The OT law makes more sense, it adds a penalty but does not harm the person. Muhammad’s law is massively more strict.

There is also no law like the following in the Bible. The Quran’s law on marriage is clearly evil.

Sahih International (Quran 4:34): Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Pickthall (Quran 4:34): Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.​

The above is not in the Bible, it is not a truth. The way Muhammad treated people is also contrary to Jesus teaching to "love one another".

Matthew 5:43-44 You have heard people say, "Love your neighbors and hate your enemies." But I tell you to love your enemies and pray for anyone who mistreats you.

Mark 12:30-31 And you are to have love for the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. The second is this, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself. There is no other law greater than these.​

As we see from the Hadith Muhammad did not love his enemies, he treated them with distain and cruelty.

7.623 Narrated Anas bin Malik: [initial text]…. When this news reached the Prophet he sent in their pursuit (and they were caught and brought). The Prophet ordered that their eyes be branded with heated iron bars and their hands be cut off, and they were left at Al−Harra till they died in that state. - Abram, Simon. Islamic Hadith . Kindle Edition.​

I m living in Muslim country but we don't have these practice like chopping hand or so ever.

I heard some Muslim folks here beating wife but the divorce or break up rate in Muslim are really low compare to other races. Beating wife normally those Muslim guy didn't attend prayers or practice else they are quite behave.

Well, I do see good things in their religion. The Muslim girls are really really polite ..lol

Some jobless senior Christian with wonder woman character sometime is very difficult to communicate u see. I oftenly beaten by woman words. Words can b more harmful than sword or gun.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Many gods, or one view of God that directly contradicts the view of God held by others are all in some way correct.

That is not what I said. And it sounds like you are more concerned about views that directly contradict your view of God.

 

[Jonaitis]

The OT has some horrendous laws, too:
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, 19then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. 20They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid. Deut.21:18-21

Yeah, that's why it is best to not be involved in discussions about violence in other religions. We really have no place in such discussions if we defend the Old Testament reasoning. We have stories of devoting whole pagan nations to destruction and their women being taken as plunder, and some of the laws commanded that people be stoned for slightly suggesting the worship of another deity, as well as some laws that regulated slavery and distinguished Hebrew from Gentile. Islam has their reasons for some of their possibly disturbing statements that they make in no way different than in the Old Testament, and may have been modelled after the Old Testament.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

The OT has some horrendous laws, too:
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, 19then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. 20They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid. Deut.21:18-21

Let's also look at the scripture you quote. Often quoted by atheists to say God kills innocent children. It does not refer to innocent children. Look at the middle of the scripture. No child is a "drunkard":

‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’​

But yes, there are some laws that were harsh. But the reason behind this was was to prevent crimes from happening. The harsher the command the less likely one will offend. But God was merciful in the execution of the law. Muhammad was not, you only have to look at all the extreme forms of Islam to see its violent nature. But let's return to my point, preventative laws. Take the following law:

"'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. Lev 20:10​

Look at the story of King David in the Bible, he committed adultery, and murder, the penalty under the law being death. Yet God's prophet, Nathan, did not carry out that penalty. He said David would have trouble in his family due to the sin, but waived the death penalty.

Note Joseph was called righteous for wanting to put Mary away quietly, rather than demand a penalty.

And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.. Mat 1:19
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And whether or not you believe the story in John 8 should be in the Bible it follows the same thread. Forgiveness of the sinner, rather than a penalty.

"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Joh 8:7​

So we see God encourages, mercy rather than judgment.

James 2:13 Mercy triumphs over judgment.
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[FutureAndAHope]

Yeah, that's why it is best to not be involved in discussions about violence in other religions. We really have no place in such discussions if we defend the Old Testament reasoning. We have stories of devoting whole pagan nations to destruction and their women being taken as plunder, and some of the laws commanded that people be stoned for slightly suggesting the worship of another deity, as well as some laws that regulated slavery and distinguished Hebrew from Gentile. Islam has their reasons for some of their possibly disturbing statements that they make in no way different than in the Old Testament, and may have been modelled after the Old Testament.

But if you understand the scripture, there is always reasoning behind every action God took. You see war as wrong, but it is not. It depends upon why the war was fought. It was not wrong to fight Hitler. It is not wrong to attack a nation that is performing all kinds of evil to end that evil.

The nation of Cannan, which was destroyed by God, was performing all kinds of evil God said:

"‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD. " Lev 18:21

"'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. Lev 18:24-25
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The people of these lands were not only doing evil, but they knew of God's miracles and could have been saved like Rahab, or Gibeon. But they chose to fight against God.

Before the spies lay down for the night, she went up on the roof and said to them, "I know that the LORD has given this land to you and that a great fear of you has fallen on us, so that all who live in this country are melting in fear because of you. We have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red Sea for you when you came out of Egypt... Jos 2:8-10​

The other times that God sent prophets to warn His people to repent before he sent the Babylonians to destroy the nation of Israel were again in the context of them committing abominations.

They turned their backs to me and not their faces; though I taught them again and again, they would not listen or respond to discipline. They set up their abominable idols in the house that bears my Name and defiled it. They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molech, though I never commanded, nor did it enter my mind, that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin. Jer 32:33-35​

 

[Jonaitis]

@FutureAndAHope

I don't see war as wrong, but I do think that what we have in Joshua is considered a holy war of some sort. If you look at it from a non-Christian point of view, the Canaanites did not recognise Israel's cultural norms, and because of that, Israel justified their destruction and displacement upon the grounds that Yahweh did not approve of them. It doesn't look good from that side. The same could be said of Islam.

Now, we tend to think that Islam was chiefly about establishing a religion through any necessary means, but upon investigating it, I found that Islam was conceived and born during a time when pagan idolatry was still prominent in the Near East. Muhammad led a group of people who believed like him that there is only one God, and this same group suffered various persecutions from place to place as their numbers grew. Muhammad strongly encouraged self-defense "against the unbelievers," you see. Infidels, in its historical context, were the idolatrous adversaries in the same way Paul would describe the gentiles. An infidel was equivalent to enemy at that time like gentile was equivalent to dogs in the Jewish context. There is a context and narrative behind it the same way you are saying there is a context and narrative behind the Old Testament Laws.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

@FutureAndAHope

I don't see war as wrong, but I do think that what we have in Joshua is considered a holy war of some sort. If you look at it from a non-Christian point of view, the Canaanites did not recognise Israel's cultural norms, and because of that, Israel justified their destruction and displacement upon the grounds that Yahweh did not approve of them. It doesn't look good from that side. The same could be said of Islam.

Now, we tend to think that Islam was chiefly about establishing a religion through any necessary means, but upon investigating it, I found that Islam was conceived and born during a time when pagan idolatry was still prominent in the Near East. Muhammad led a group of people who believed like him that there is only one God, and this same group suffered various persecutions from place to place as their numbers grew. Muhammad strongly encouraged self-defense "against the unbelievers," you see. Infidels, in its historical context, were the idolatrous adversaries in the same way Paul would describe the gentiles. There is a context and narrative behind it the same way you are saying there is a context and narrative behind the Old Testament Laws.

There is a vast difference between Muhammad and the God of the Bible. Jesus consistently taught His followers to "love one another", and "love even your enemies".

Muhammad taught the opposite to "love your enemies", he displayed cruelty to his enemies.

7.623 Narrated Anas bin Malik: [initial text]…. When this news reached the Prophet he sent in their pursuit (and they were caught and brought). The Prophet ordered that their eyes be branded with heated iron bars and their hands be cut off, and they were left at Al−Harra till they died in that state. - Abram, Simon. Islamic Hadith . Kindle Edition.

From one of the earliest biographies of Muhammad (can't remember the reference, because I have removed it from my computer), he was even known to burn alive some of his own followers who had built a mosque to help the poor, because he said that Allah told him they were not true believers.

Muhammad's life was characterized by war, and violence, this is the opposite of Christ. Who not only taught forgiveness but gave His life on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, rather than retaliate.