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I think that would be the case, but that would be a -very- difficult situation. How do you raise the children in the faith against the other parents wishes? Regardless of whether it's the husband or wife doing it, that would be so confusing to the kids to have their parent undermining what the other parent is trying to do.Is a woman obliged to obey her husband when said obedience is sinful? Serious question...
I would imagine the answer to that is "no", which means that the wife would be correct to raise her children Catholic, against her husbands wishes.
and wives are Biblically required to submit to their husbands...
I don't think interfaith marriges are a good idea- division should be avoided as much as possible. But I believe it could work out under the right circumstances.
I could never marry a Protestant woman though. Catholic gals, IMO, are far too superior. They got that extra something that makes my discernment into being a priest very hard!
Debi, did you or did you not make a broad based accusation that people were being 'elitist' in this thread?
I have a very hard time understanding you. Since I can understand others without problem, I am going to assume that it's you that has a difficult time communicating your thoughts. They are all over the place, I have asked you pointed questions and you've replied with broad open ended replies such as 'Jesus Is Love therefore my opinion is correct'-- I think it would probably be fruitless to continue this, I am sorry I have let it go on this long.
my exact wording at the time said:Let's see I guess maybe what I have found not so much in your posts Michelle but in other's, disturbing is the sense of elitism. As if marrying outside of the Church would be such a horrible thing indeed.
Hmmm...now I have a question to that...
If the husband is Protestant...and the wife is Catholic...and the husband decides to NOT raise their children Catholic....and wives are Biblically required to submit to their husbands...
What then?
Disobey their husbands and take the children to a Catholic Church anyways? Or find an alternative?
Is a woman obliged to obey her husband when said obedience is sinful? Serious question...
I would imagine the answer to that is "no", which means that the wife would be correct to raise her children Catholic, against her husbands wishes.
Are you saying that the husband chose to lie to God when he promised Him that he would do all he could to Baptize and raise the children of the marriage as Catholic?
Thank you AMDG i think I better understand what you were trying to say and where you were coming from now and have enjoyed our conversation fully.RaggedRobbin, such a long post. I hope I can address at least most of the points.
Yes, each situation is different, some offer no problem in the fact that for some love makes everything go smoothly while others simply don't care about their Faith enough to "stick out the rough spots" a mixed marriage will emphasize so their giving up their Faith makes things go smoothly in their eyes. (Sorry, no "judging", I just can't for the life of me understand "giving up the Real Prescence of Jesus".) Still, IMO, it is highly imprudent to "tempt faith" with the idea that "only the good can happen" or the idea of "if worse comes to worse, we can always get married outside the Church first and then force the Church to bless the union that already exists. And so while dating, Catholics and non-Catholics can date, but it doesn't seem too wise (particularly since dating is supposed to allow a person a chance to "pick his future husband/wife).
About that "equally/unequally yoked" thing to mean Catholics and non-Catholics, I've never understood it at all. (Although the way you put it has me I looking at it almost wistfully since I guess it would make things extremely easy.) But,by that my husband and I would never have been able to marry. I didn't want to change my husband-to-be. I was perfectly happy to have him a Baptist. (Afterall, that's part of him and probably what makes him what he is.) I simply wanted to remain Catholic. Anyway I always took that verse about "unequally yoked" to mean marriage of a non-believer and a Christian anyway. (Although if you go to GT or actually speak with many Protestants--as in Baptist, Episcopal, Methodist,... you'll find that they lump Catholics in the non-believer category. I don't know what they do with 1 Corinthians 7:14 which says, "For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband.")
BTW, I believe that the Church is very magnanimous. The Church allows mixed marriages (marriages of Baptized non-Christians and Catholics) AND those marriages of disparity of cult (marriages of non-Baptized non-Christians and Catholics.) Paragraph 1633 and 1634 of the Catholic Catechism address the problems quite well, and paragraph 1635 of the Catholic Catechism: "According to the law in force in the Latin Church, a mixed marriage needs for liceity the espress permission of ecclesiastical authority. In case of disparity of cult an express dispensation from this impediment is required for the validity of the marriage. This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage and the obligations assumed by the Catholic party concerning the Baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church."
As far as the Eastern rite Catholic/Roman rite Catholic, you have just described my best friend's marriage--Rutherian Byzantine and.... (You do know that both rites make up the ONE Catholic Church and one Faith, unlike the different denominations.) Although she'll go to a Roman rite parish by her, she can also attend the Byzantine Church not too far from here. Although technically Baptized into the Roman rite, I too sometimes attend the Byzantine Divine Liturgy.
How would that be sinful?
Is that somehow tied into marriage vows? Because I have never heard that before....
Heather,How would that be sinful?
Is that somehow tied into marriage vows? Because I have never heard that before....
I do not entirely agree, but I do respect your convictions.If the Catholic Church contains the fullness of the Truth, to deprive your child of that would be sinful.
I never knew...Even Mod's never cease to learn!Yep...part of marriage prep involves a commitment by a non-Catholic spouse to raise the children Catholic. It's not a vow, per se, but it is a commitment.
Heather,
If they got married within the confines of the Church nad had the marriage Blessed, or recieved Dispensation then yes....
Three criteria are required of any spouse that is not Catholic.
1) not to impede the Catholic in their Faith and worship
2) To baptize all children of that marriage Catholic
3) To raise them Catholic and not to impede this either.
If these requirements are not met then the Catholic that enters into a marriage with a Non-Catholic will not be able to continue to recieve the Sacraments. Also there must be no Sex before marriage of course .... And they should attend certain classes in preparation for marriage and for raising of the children of marriage together.
Umm I could be corrected on this but I do not think that is allowed.[/b]
What if the marriage ceremony is in the church of the other spouse?
Would these standards still apply?
I'm not trying to be difficult...I just like asking questions, and trying to see and understand things from every angle.Umm I could be corrected on this but I do not think that is allowed.
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What if the marriage ceremony is in the church of the other spouse?
Would these standards still apply?
Well obviously I do not think you are trying to be difficult at all and it is no problem as I thought of the situation of myself afterwards and how I had to get my marriage Blessed.I'm not trying to be difficult...I just like asking questions, and trying to see and understand things from every angle.
Actually, those standards are not required. (forgive me, RR.)[/b]
What if the marriage ceremony is in the church of the other spouse?
Would these standards still apply?
Assisi <br><br>Not to act dumb or anything but could you explain to me how that might work, because genuinely I am interested to know. <br><br>I know my cousin just got one, but I was not involved at all with the planning of the wedding and so I was not privy to how it all worked. I live so far away now my Aunt just took care of it all I think. They actually had a double ceremony. <br><br>Would you know how that works in getting that all done? <br>You can get a dispensation for that.
Actually we have shown the Catechism quotes and I have been to see the priests on this issue with my own marriage it is a requirement for the Catholic to be able to continue to recieve Communion.Actually, those standards are not required. (forgive me, RR.)My daughter married a Catholic, and was not baptised Catholic, nor did she convert at the time of the marriage. However, only the husband was required to make any concessions. He had only to vow that he would make every effort to bring all of his family to the Catholic Church and make every effort to have his children baptised Catholic.
Didn't mean to but in, but I thought I might could clear it up a bit.
Well, I won't deny that her husband's priest was over liberal when it came to her personal conversion. So, I certainly won't quibble with you if you can cite the Catechism. But, he did sign the documents that stated only that "he would make every effort . . . " This entitled him to take part in communion.Actually we have shown the Catechism quotes and I have been to see the priests on this issue with my own marriage it is a requirement for the Catholic to be able to continue to recieve Communion. <br><br>And in every situation there are always those priests that although well meaning in their intentions, do not apply to the strictness of the Church. <br><br>I am sorry to hear that your daughter's husband's priest was one of them. <br>
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