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I was wondering what the official position is for Catholics to date Protestants?

I'm not really looking for personal opinions, rather, I'm looking for the Catholic church's own official position on the matter. Or does the Catholic church even have an official position on this? Any ideas?

The only requirment is that possible children shall be baptized (possibly catholic) and given an appropiate catholic religious instruction.
 
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The only requirment is that possible children shall be baptized (possibly catholic) and given an appropiate catholic religious instruction.

That said, I advise against it. On the other hand, I did, and I ended up marrying her! (After she became Catholic, of course...) ;)
 
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I was wondering what the official position is for Catholics to date Protestants?

I'm not really looking for personal opinions, rather, I'm looking for the Catholic church's own official position on the matter. Or does the Catholic church even have an official position on this? Any ideas?
No definitive addresses regarding relationships outside of Catholicism.

I am married to a protestant. :)

BUT I can tell you, it is difficult. It takes a very strong couple to pull off this type of relationship.
 
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I was wondering what the official position is for Catholics to date Protestants?

I'm not really looking for personal opinions, rather, I'm looking for the Catholic church's own official position on the matter. Or does the Catholic church even have an official position on this? Any ideas?
There isn't an official position. It is a matter of prudence. The reason we date, is to choose a spouse.
Choosing a spouse who doesn't share in ones religious beliefs (at least in morality) may not be wise. What will one do when the other demands they contracept for example...
These are serious matters and require much consideration before marriage.
 
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Well, you're better of dating a God loving and serving Protestant than a wayward and disobedient Catholic.

Maybe so, but it is very difficult and since there is a real possiblity of the Catholic losing his Faith (and if she or he does, then there's the question of children of the marriage) that the Church is real careful and requires the Catholic to get a dispensation from his Bishop in order to marry a non-Catholic.
 
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Hello ScottF

I wrote an e-mail to a Priest once asking about Catholics dating non-Catholics (whether they be Protestant, non-Christians etc) and how that relates to the "be not be unequally yoked" verses of Scripture. I have pasted his response below, as well as what the Catechism of Catholic faith says on this matter. Most of it relates to marriage with a non-believer, but I still think it applies to the situation of a Catholic and Protestant as most of the basic underlying prinicples still apply.

God Bless :wave:


2 Cor. 6,14 says: "Do not be yoked with those who are different…" This terminology should be seen in the context of Deut. 22, 10 where it is forbidden to yoke a bull with a donkey. Their pull and step are different. (The donkey may pull backward stubbornly while the bull will be charging ahead! You can imagine the result!) St. Paul does not want us to have that kind of situation!

St Paul is not referring specifically to marriage in the above verse though that is included: he has in mind false teachers, membership in other religions, commercial partnerships with unbelievers and marriage partnerships. Those Christians who advocate a literal reading of scripture usually use this verse to forbid marriage with non-believers (the unsaved) or they demand conversion before marriage!

The Catholic Church does not interpret this verse in a literal way and has not forbidden marriage with non-believers but it does caution such marriages. There can be serious problems down the road. In the past the Catholic Church used to make the non-Catholic partner agree to have the children born of this marriage baptized as Catholics. After Vatican II the Catholic partner is reminded of her obligation as far as it is in her power to baptize the children. The non-Catholic party is only informed of the obligations of the Catholic partner. Marriage is a natural right and the Church respects the free choice of people.

Non-believers are not of one colour: some non-believers have an open spirit and if the Christian partner is strong and true to his/her faith, he/she can lead the non-Catholic partner to salvation in Christ. I myself have seen so many such beautiful families who have come to the Lord through marriage. Of course, the church advises caution, especially with militant non-believers. Sadly some Catholics have given up their faith in Christ to marry an unbeliever who demands a conversion to his/her religion! St Paul has such situations in his mind. All that the Catholic Church says is that the Catholic partner should have the freedom to practice his/her faith and 'try' to bring up in the faith the children born of this marriage.

Mixed-marriages (i.e. marriage with a non Christian or a non-Catholic) have been always allowed by the Church. Previously it was allowed rarely but nowadays it is allowed more frequently. I cannot think of any situation when the Church would 'forbid' a mixed marriage, except in a clear case where the priest is convinced that the militant non-Catholic will force the Catholic partner to give up his/her faith. It may advise strongly against such a union when the faith of the Catholic may be in clear danger.

In mixed marriages, in order to caution the parties concerned, there is need to get a dispensation from the Bishop. This dispensation is rarely, if at all, denied.

Nowadays mixed marriages are usually celebrated in a marriage ceremony, without the Mass. Thus the issue of communion does not arise. The Mass is celebrated only if the Catholic party insists on it. In that case the non-Catholic party cannot receive Holy Communion and this is made known to him/her beforehand. Of course, the Catholic party has always (incluidng the Mass at the wedding) the choice not to receive communion if he/she chooses to do so.


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Catechism 1633 - 1637:


1633 In many countries the situation of a mixed marriage (marriage between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic) often arises. It requires particular attention on the part of couples and their pastors. A case of marriage with disparity of cult (between a Catholic and a non-baptized person) requires even greater circumspection.

1634 Difference of confession between the spouses does not constitute an insurmountable obstacle for marriage, when they succeed in placing in common what they have received from their respective communities, and learn from each other the way in which each lives in fidelity to Christ. But the difficulties of mixed marriages must not be underestimated. They arise from the fact that the separation of Christians has not yet been overcome. The spouses risk experiencing the tragedy of Christian disunity even in the heart of their own home. Disparity of cult can further aggravate these difficulties. Differences about faith and the very notion of marriage, but also different religious mentalities, can become sources of tension in marriage, especially as regards the education of children. The temptation to religious indifference can then arise.

1635 According to the law in force in the Latin Church, a mixed marriage needs for liceity the express permission of ecclesiastical authority. In case of disparity of cult an express dispensation from this impediment is required for the validity of the marriage. This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage; and furthermore that the Catholic party confirms the obligations, which have been made known to the non-Catholic party, of preserving his or her own faith and ensuring the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church.

1636 Through ecumenical dialogue Christian communities in many regions have been able to put into effect a common pastoral practice for mixed marriages. Its task is to help such couples live out their particular situation in the light of faith, overcome the tensions between the couple's obligations to each other and towards their ecclesial communities, and encourage the flowering of what is common to them in faith and respect for what separates them.

1637 In marriages with disparity of cult the Catholic spouse has a particular task: "For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband." It is a great joy for the Christian spouse and for the Church if this "consecration" should lead to the free conversion of the other spouse to the Christian faith. Sincere married love, the humble and patient practice of the family virtues, and perseverance in prayer can prepare the non-believing spouse to accept the grace of conversion.
 
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Regardless if I agree with that advice, I find it very sad that Christians of different denominations may have problems with dating. :(

I agree... Christian seperation is so tragic. We all stand on the solid rock of faith in Jesus Christ, and yet we can be so hostile towards one another (you need look no further than GT for an example of that).

I came across a comment from an athiest that really hits home on the tradegy of Christian seperation (review of CS Lewis' Mere Christianity):

from: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cus...nDate&n=283155

Christianity is great--if you ignore all the problems, March 12, 2006
Reviewer:Paula L. Craig (Falls Church, VA United States) - See all my reviews

Lewis states that he wrote this book with the idea of convincing atheists. As an atheist myself, I had heard Lewis was the best Christian apologist there is. If these arguments are the best Christianity can come up with, atheism doesn't have much to worry about.

Lewis takes the approach in this book of focusing on all the doctrines the largest branches of Christianity have in common, deliberately ignoring controversial issues. The problem with this is that the endless proliferation of Christian sects is one of the strongest arguments against Christianity. If Christians themselves can't agree on what Christ really taught or what God wants from us, what chance is there of convincing atheists--or for that matter Muslims or Hindus?

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Course, I can understand why there may be problems in a dating relationship between Christians of different denominations, given the nature of our seperation and difference in beliefs and practices.

If a Catholic and Baptist get married, for example, then what church will they get married in and how will they decide that? How will they decide which church to go to on Sundays, or will they each have to go to their own? Will the couple be able to truly pray together if one wants to pray to Mary and the Saints and the other feels that doing so would be wrong (Ie: one will have to remove an aspect from their prayer life or the other will have to bite their tongue and just accept something they may believe to be wrong)? Will the Catholic be able to baptise any children they have as an infant or will things be done the Baptist way and the child will only be baptised as an adult when they can make the choice of faith? Which faith will the child be brought up in? Will the Catholic be able to teach the child to pray the Rosary? Will the Catholic parent be able to teach the child to go to Confession? Will the child be able to partake parent's participation of Eucharist adortation? etc etc How will any decisions of faith be made? In this sitaution, as with a relationship with a non-Christian, the issue becomes one of the two people involved, and whther or not they can build a relationship strong enough to overcome their differences in a way where despite them, they can still be a witness to one another and support eachother (whether that be as something God uses to further each in their faith, or introduce and bring one into a relationship with Him).
 
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I agree... Christian seperation is so tragic. We all stand on the solid rock of faith in Jesus Christ, and yet we can be so hostile towards one another (you need look no further than GT for an example of that).

I came across a comment from an athiest that really hits home on the tradegy of Christian seperation (review of CS Lewis' Mere Christianity):

from: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cus...nDate&n=283155

Christianity is great--if you ignore all the problems, March 12, 2006
Reviewer:Paula L. Craig (Falls Church, VA United States) - See all my reviews

Lewis states that he wrote this book with the idea of convincing atheists. As an atheist myself, I had heard Lewis was the best Christian apologist there is. If these arguments are the best Christianity can come up with, atheism doesn't have much to worry about.

Lewis takes the approach in this book of focusing on all the doctrines the largest branches of Christianity have in common, deliberately ignoring controversial issues. The problem with this is that the endless proliferation of Christian sects is one of the strongest arguments against Christianity. If Christians themselves can't agree on what Christ really taught or what God wants from us, what chance is there of convincing atheists--or for that matter Muslims or Hindus?

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Course, I can understand why there may be problems in a dating relationship between Christians of different denominations, given the nature of our seperation and difference in beliefs and practices.

If a Catholic and Baptist get married, for example, then what church will they get married in and how will they decide that? How will they decide which church to go to on Sundays, or will they each have to go to their own? Will the couple be able to truly pray together if one wants to pray to Mary and the Saints and the other feels that doing so would be wrong (Ie: one will have to remove an aspect from their prayer life or the other will have to bite their tongue and just accept something they may believe to be wrong)? Will the Catholic be able to baptise any children they have as an infant or will things be done the Baptist way and the child will only be baptised as an adult when they can make the choice of faith? Which faith will the child be brought up in? Will the Catholic be able to teach the child to pray the Rosary? Will the Catholic parent be able to teach the child to go to Confession? Will the child be able to partake parent's participation of Eucharist adortation? etc etc How will any decisions of faith be made? In this sitaution, as with a relationship with a non-Christian, the issue becomes one of the two people involved, and whther or not they can build a relationship strong enough to overcome their differences in a way where despite them, they can still be a witness to one another and support eachother (whether that be as something God uses to further each in their faith, or introduce and bring one into a relationship with Him).
To me denomination doesn't matter very much because in every denomination you'll find all sorts of different people. What really matters is what the person believes, and that is not ALWAYS indicated by what denomination they belong to.

I have friends from most of the major denominations, but at the same time there are some denoms that have 'typical' beliefs that I have a real hard time putting up with. So it all depends on the person, not so much the label.

I lament the divisions among the church, but a Catholic friend of mine once pointed out that even though our churches aren't in communion, he was much more in communion with me, given our mutual faith and beliefs, than he was with Catholics who are technically members of the church, but have significantly different beliefs, or lack real faith.
 
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Maybe so, but it is very difficult and since there is a real possiblity of the Catholic losing his Faith (and if she or he does, then there's the question of children of the marriage) that the Church is real careful and requires the Catholic to get a dispensation from his Bishop in order to marry a non-Catholic.
There is a HUGE difference between dating an apathetic Catholic (that could cause the serious Catholic to lose one's faith)--and dating a Protestant who loves and serves the Lord.

And any more the Bishops hand out those dispensations like candy.
 
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Catholics should not date protestants, they are in error, I could not marry someone who persisted in such error, it is hard enough to have protestant friends, knowing their souls are in such great danger.

I really dislike it when well meaning Catholics start telling protestants "You are an honourary Catholic- in fact you are better than most Catholics at mass"

NO, THAT IS NOT RIGHT TO SAY!

The graces of the sacraments actually mean something! A nice protestant should not be praised for what he is but always encouraged to take Catholic truth! They need the sacraments.

Simon_Templar- embrace Catholic truth, you need the sacaraments for salvation. God is not going to ask you when you are judged "what did those bad Catholics do?" He will ask you- why you did not become a Catholic.
 
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To me denomination doesn't matter very much because in every denomination you'll find all sorts of different people. What really matters is what the person believes, and that is not ALWAYS indicated by what denomination they belong to.

I have friends from most of the major denominations, but at the same time there are some denoms that have 'typical' beliefs that I have a real hard time putting up with. So it all depends on the person, not so much the label.

I lament the divisions among the church, but a Catholic friend of mine once pointed out that even though our churches aren't in communion, he was much more in communion with me, given our mutual faith and beliefs, than he was with Catholics who are technically members of the church, but have significantly different beliefs, or lack real faith.

Hey Simon :wave:,

This is actually the other side of what I was trying to say... that it comes down to the two people involded, and whether or not they can build a relationship despite some differences in beliefs, practice etc. You and your friend have found communion with eachother through your mutual faith in Christ, that is very beautiful!!! Just the same, I also believe that non-Christians and Christians may be able to find communion with eachother, again, depending on the two people involvded.

For example, I was once out on a date with a non-Christian who brought alot of peace and love to my life. I sensed a real desire in him to honestly love, and be loved, though obviously without God he had thus far experienced love in a less complete and fulfilling sense and these unfulfilled desires left him longing. This brought me to a kind of love with him that I had never experienced before... a real peaceful feeling that made me just want to just reach out and embrace this searching soul, being a tender, loving example of God's love, grace and strength in his life. I doubt he is even aware of it, but this non-Christian man taught me so much about my faith and our God in just that one date, that I'll never forget it and will forever be grateful.

Course, as always, things can also work the other way...
 
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