Shocking... but necessary.

[Nadiine]

That was beautiful. Thank you for posting those links.

You know, I've done some work for animal abuse prevention. The vast majority of those I've worked with in that area are very left wing, and of course pro choice. I find it both fascinating and depressing that They can see exactly what abortion is and consider it just fine, but show them a video of a farmer drowning an unwanted litter of puppies and they go ballistic. I'm all for fighting for better treatment of animals. But what about human babies? When did they become so much less important?

Exactly
That's always been my pet peeve with them too.
Why not fight for both? They ignore the human kids and coddle the animals. I wonder if they have an issue with terminating an animals' pregnancy?

 

[CADude12]

Exactly
That's always been my pet peeve with them too.
Why not fight for both? They ignore the human kids and coddle the animals. I wonder if they have an issue with terminating an animals' pregnancy?

The pro-choice position places an emphasis on the controlling power of the woman over her baby. The usual liberal concern for the powerless, and those who are most vulnerable, is suddenly surrendered to the wishes of those most powerful. It seems inconsistent. And this inconsistency shows itself very well when it comes to animals and "animal rights", where concern for the innocent animals in our power becomes important to them.

Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with principle. Liberal women have come to see that their "reproductive rights" (so called) interfere with their freedom.

The civil law, at one time, reflected the moral law in regards to abortion. Now, the opposite is true. It's a shame to call it "civilization."

 

[GQ Chris]

Let me get these liberal priorities straight, they are for Abortions at will, for any reason, and without obstruction because a fetus is nothing but a bunch of Cells anyway; but for animal rights ie. PETA that Meat is Murder and the protection of animals even from being made food, but in the case of the Death penalty for brutal rapists/murderers be merciful to them because they have Rights... did I miss anything...

 

[porterross]

Yeah, Chris. Our tax dollars should pay for women to exercise their rights to be free of the hindrance of an unwanted child, too. Their dream candidate makes it pretty clear that an unwanted baby is punishment on the same level as an STD.

 

[Nadiine]

The pro-choice position places an emphasis on the controlling power of the woman over her baby. The usual liberal concern for the powerless, and those who are most vulnerable, is suddenly surrendered to the wishes of those most powerful. It seems inconsistent. And this inconsistency shows itself very well when it comes to animals and "animal rights", where concern for the innocent animals in our power becomes important to them.

Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with principle. Liberal women have come to see that their "reproductive rights" (so called) interfere with their freedom.

The civil law, at one time, reflected the moral law in regards to abortion. Now, the opposite is true. It's a shame to call it "civilization."

Yes, that's at the bottom of all this, "freedom".
What they want freedom from tho, is RESPONSIBILITY and consequence.
This runs as a mainline in that entire party.

We have people claiming Christ who want people to provide legal freedoms for homosexuals to get married! It's all about being free to live immorally and bypass God's design for humanity.
I view it as direct rebellion to God's creative structure.

We can live in fornication - just kill the mistake & the consequence goes away.

As to what I highlighted, I learned that about this party LONG ago - there's no allegience even to the party's own directives & platform; they'll hypocritically do what they claim they're against in order to get what they want.
(ie. they demand free speech --- until it's speech they hate, then they'll work to get laws in place to force radio stations to manditorily preach the opposite views in a so called "FAIRNESS" act.
pure hypocrisy. - but it accomplishes their goal to force a sort of silence over their opponents on the radio!!! They don't CARE that it violates free speech of those who differ from them and who want to deliver a message they so choose
).
The means to the final outcome aren't much cared about as long as they get the outcome they desire at that particilar time.

This is the usual problem - we claim "rights" that aren't ours to have.
We don't have "reproductive" rights, do we?
I'm speaking within Christianity - not secularly. What 'right' do we have to take a life just becuz it's inside us & within our control? It's US who did what it takes to produce that offspring - at that point, the infant has rights that we automatically gave it as a human when we brought it into this world thru our actions.

(nevermind they're usurping God's rights as Creator who caused the conception in the first place; nothing is happenstance)

& since the abortionists cannot prove when the soul arrives in the body/ cells (or whatever excuse of a term they want to conjure up to dismiss murder), then they cannot prove it's NOT a viable, living being at ANY stage.

 

[A New Dawn]

Yes, that's at the bottom of all this, "freedom".
What they want freedom from tho, is RESPONSIBILITY and consequence.
This runs as a mainline in that entire party.

We have people claiming Christ who want people to provide legal freedoms for homosexuals to get married! It's all about being free to live immorally and bypass God's design for humanity.
I view it as direct rebellion to God's creative structure.

We can live in fornication - just kill the mistake & the consequence goes away.

As to what I highlighted, I learned that about this party LONG ago - there's no allegience even to the party's own directives & platform; they'll hypocritically do what they claim they're against in order to get what they want.
(ie. they demand free speech --- until it's speech they hate, then they'll work to get laws in place to force radio stations to manditorily preach the opposite views in a so called "FAIRNESS" act.
pure hypocrisy. - but it accomplishes their goal to force a sort of silence their opponents on the radio!!! They don't CARE that it violates free speech of those who differ from them and who want to deliver the message they so choose
).
The means to the final outcome aren't much cared about as long as they get the outcome they desire at that particilar time.

This is the usual problem - we claim "rights" that aren't ours to have.
We don't have "reproductive" rights, do we?
I'm speaking within Christianity - not secularly. What 'right' do we have to take a life just becuz it's inside us & within our control? It's US who did what it takes to produce that offspring - at that point, the infant has rights that we automatically gave it as a human when we brought it into this world thru our actions.

(nevermind they're usurping God's rights as Creator who caused the conception in the first place; nothing is happenstance)

& since the abortionists cannot prove when the soul arrives in the body/ cells (or whatever excuse they want to conjure up to dismiss murder), then they cannot prove it's NOT a viable, living being at ANY stage.

Awesome, AWESOME post. I can't add anything to it, so I'm just going to copy it so it is read again!

 

[GQ Chris]

Awesome, AWESOME post. I can't add anything to it, so I'm just going to copy it so it is read again!

agreed, precisely why I love this lady...

She nailed it right on, and my words would be almost exactly 98% identical to what she said, only difference is what I would've said would anger liberals even more. \

What they desire is basically Abortion as a method of birth control.

 

[Oklahoman]

Some of you need to stop by the Baptist Page. I put this thread there yesterday. I will warn you... not everyone thinks and believes like us. As if that is a shocker! Yet, I will warn you... make sure you take your blood pressure medicine before you click - one fella's post is going to rile you up. You WILL have a - - moment!

God help us when "our own" don't even see the difference between murder and a "procedure"!

 

[GQ Chris]

I have a liberal coworker like that; he's Baptist but can't see abortion for what it really is...

To be honest, I wasn't always Pro-life either, not until about 2 years ago when I really began to stop and think about the issue in its entirety, the Lord opened my eyes that Murder in any form is always wrong.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I loved Gianna's point about abortion being about women's rights, yet where were HER rights. In that one sentence, she completely debunked the idea that this is about anyone's rights.

 

[Nadiine]

Awesome, AWESOME post. I can't add anything to it, so I'm just going to copy it so it is read again!

blush: all I see is my errors LOL)

I really do need to proofread longer.
Ever since the site upgrade, they removed the font stuff you can set for all your posts - I actually NEED a larger print in another font to read my posts easier, but I got tired of having to reset it for every single post.

I can't wait till they get that feature back to set all our posts in another font & size.

I'll fix the errors in my post lol
K... I think I got them all & filled in the blanks lol)

 

[Oklahoman]

I loved Gianna's point about abortion being about women's rights, yet where were HER rights. In that one sentence, she completely debunked the idea that this is about anyone's rights.

That child's picture at the bottom of your post says it all. I can't help but think of the following Scripture:

Ps 139:14-15
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

 

[Nadiine]

One other thing I'd add - when I was in a chat ministry, we had a girl who had an anology about abortion rights. Her story is about a woman who's driving a car and picks up an abortion rights activist to drive her somewhere.

While she's in the passenger seat, the woman driving says that she's decided to run her car off the cliff.
The abortionist sitting next to her tells her she can't do that & she's committing murder.

The Driver replies, "how do you see that?, this is MY car, and you're inside MY car and I have control of it - I can do anything I want with you in here".

I thought that was pretty interesting as to how a woman doesn't have right just becuz the infant is inside her womb...
besides. God says that we are not our own - and that all souls are HIS, not ours to take.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

The only problem I see with the analogy (thinking from a pro-abortionist's viewpoint) is that the woman CHOSE to pick up the passenger.

For whatever reason, pro-abortionists don't think that choosing to have sex means accepting the risk of getting pregnant. They don't equate choosing to have sex with choosing to be pregnant.

The difference between a fetus and a baby? One is unwanted, the other is wanted. That's what it boils down to.

I have to tread lightly on this subject. Sometimes my emotions get the better of me, having been adopted and having given a child up for adoption, it pains me to see women getting abortions for whatever reason.

One other thing I'd add - when I was in a chat ministry, we had a girl who had an anology about abortion rights. Her story is about a woman who's driving a car and picks up an abortion rights activist to drive her somewhere.

While she's in the passenger seat, the woman driving says that she's decided to run her car off the cliff.
The abortionist sitting next to her tells her she can't do that & she's committing murder.

The Driver replies, "how do you see that?, this is MY car, and you're inside MY car and I have control of it - I can do anything I want with you in here".

I thought that was pretty interesting as to how a woman doesn't have right just becuz the infant is inside her womb...
besides. God says that we are not our own - and that all souls are HIS, not ours to take.

 

[A New Dawn]

The only problem I see with the analogy (thinking from a pro-abortionist's viewpoint) is that the woman CHOSE to pick up the passenger.

For whatever reason, pro-abortionists don't think that choosing to have sex means accepting the risk of getting pregnant. They don't equate choosing to have sex with choosing to be pregnant.

But that is exactly what it means, and it exactly proves the point that Nadiine made in her previous post. They want freedom from responsibility and consequence. It's not like it's not a known fact that pregnancy occurs from having sex. If they want the freedom to have sex, then they know that one of the consequences of that action is getting pregnant. Unless they missed all of high school biology, or "the talk", they can't be that naive. It's just a case of selfishness.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

But that is exactly what it means, and it exactly proves the point that Nadiine made in her previous post. They want freedom from responsibility and consequence. It's not like it's not a known fact that pregnancy occurs from having sex. If they want the freedom to have sex, then they know that one of the consequences of that action is getting pregnant. Unless they missed all of high school biology, or "the talk", they can't be that naive. It's just a case of selfishness.

Exactly.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

That child's picture at the bottom of your post says it all. I can't help but think of the following Scripture:

Ps 139:14-15
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

That child is my youngest, who was born at 33 weeks and spent nine days in the NICU fighting for his life. All of my children are why I'm pro-LIFE, but especially him.

 

[A New Dawn]

All of your children are why you are pro-choice?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

All of your children are why you are pro-choice?

I blame it on no caffeine this morning.

Fixed.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

I can't watch the video, I'm very pro-Life, but having had my children, having seen their ultrasounds, felt their kicks and hiccups, and holding them in my arms, I simply cannot handle watching those videos. I have to be restrained on this issue at the moment, my state just lost a battle on this front and it's still raw and upsetting (we're now the most liberal state in the country - australia, with abortion available at any time during pregnancy...).

I simply don't understand the pro-choice side, all of their arguments just turn to dust when you look at a real developing PERSON. Their right to stay alive shouldn't depend on their location (in or out)...