shocked at convention

[Alive_Again]

well, thanks. I thought you couldn't back it up. And you may be right about one thing, it really doesn't matter to me. For one, God doesn't belong in politics and the Palestinians and Israelis need to solve their own issues.

It should matter to you. For a Christian, the standards that govern our lives (the Word of God) are very high. God's ways are so much higher than man's ways. He not just asks, but REQUIRES us to intervene on behalf of our leaders, to pray in His will, the will of the kingdom in our lives.

It may not be clear what that is all of the time, but for some things it is blatantly obvious. Why worry about whether or not certain programs are going to continue (say for the arts or public television) when babies are being butchered alive by the millions. It's like worrying about rotating your tires when you don't have any oil in the car.

Certain activities bring a curse on the land, and this is one of them. Trying to tell Israel to give up part of their land defies the known will of God regarding His giving of that land to His people, the Israelis. Our "intervention" brings another curse here. The Democrats support of the gay lobby and now gay marriage is an abomination to Him. You might liken this to being concerned about a scuff on the bumper when your steering wheel is about to come off!

For whom much is given, much is required. This country has been given freedom like no other in the entire world. It has been given a prosperity that will enable it to rise up against oppressors elsewhere in the world. This is why it has been important to this country to step up at times and give it's own resources, soldiers, and food to other countries in need.

We are supposed to be praying for the peace of Jerusalem and if we just leave it to their own hands, we violate the known will of God. As voters, we have a right to stand up and let our voice be heard. Of course Mitt belongs to a cult, yet he is the ONLY candidate of the two we have that opposes the violation of godly marriage, the murdering of babies, the importance of defending Israel, etc. We can pray for his salvation, but he is at least willing to stand up in these important issues.

If we had the blessing on our country, rather than the ever increasing curse, God could give a leader the wisdom to run this country well (if only for the His own people). Yet if presidents like Obama continue to lead us into a ditch, we'll all suffer for it. I strongly encourage you to reconsider your position and try to put a candidate into office that will steer us toward the blessing and not the curse.

 

[Norah63]

Amen! well said.

 

[JCFantasy23]

When the dnc voted to put the reference to God in their platform, there was so much booing from the crowd. How shocking! Where will it all end? I just could not believe that so many people would be so disrespectful at that vote.
Did anyone else see that part? Wonder if the media will play it or cover it up.

I think some people use the separation between church and state line to get away with a lot of things, such as dismissing the booing here. What a shame. I didn't see this news segment personally but it (sadly) doesn't surprise me with how this country has been with trying to omit God from about everything out there.

 

[Albion]

I think some people use the separation between church and state line to get away with a lot of things, such as dismissing the booing here. What a shame. I didn't see this news segment personally but it (sadly) doesn't surprise me with how this country has been with trying to omit God from about everything out there.

Being no fan of the Democrat Party, I'd love to have everyone think that the booing--and I did see and hear this part of the convention--was about leaving God out of the platform, but I am sure that it was because the chair ruled that one side in the voice vote had carried the issue when everyone knew full well that the other side had won.

 

[Norah63]

And that is a great divide this year in the two party system.
How can any christian leave our personal responsibility at home on voting day?
This idea of separation of church and state is a funny (odd) concept.
For I am the same person in a voting booth as I am on my knees in prayer.
Or in a house of worship.
Understanding full well that others do not have that way of life. So it will be an interesting year to watch and see how it all turns out.

 

[Albion]

And that is a great divide this year in the two party system.
How can any christian leave our personal responsibility at home on voting day?
This idea of separation of church and state is a funny (odd) concept.
For I am the same person in a voting booth as I am on my knees in prayer.
Or in a house of worship.
Understanding full well that others do not have that way of life. So it will be an interesting year to watch and see how it all turns out.

Well, prayer and voting are quite different.

My point is that, in politics and government, we may want to advance those policies that we think moral or advisable, but there is something to be said for not forbidding other people from holding their own values and living their own lives. If there is one concept on which American was founded, it's freedom, and that means allowing others to behave and believe in ways that are not of our own choosing.

 

[Gnarwhal]

And that is a great divide this year in the two party system.
How can any christian leave our personal responsibility at home on voting day?
This idea of separation of church and state is a funny (odd) concept.
For I am the same person in a voting booth as I am on my knees in prayer.
Or in a house of worship.
Understanding full well that others do not have that way of life. So it will be an interesting year to watch and see how it all turns out.

The separation of church and state isn't about excluding certain demographics from participating in the election, it's about equality and liberty.

What's peculiar, and at times frustrating, to me is that Christians seem to think the concept of separation of church and state only pertains to the government staying out of church affairs. Well, that's only half of it, the free exercise clause of the First Amendment. The other half is that the church stays out of government affairs, the establishment clause of the First Amendment. The former was designed to prevent the government from dictating what religion the citizens practice and how they practice it. The latter was designed to prevent the government from favoring any specific tradition or religion.

So, it seems hypocritical to me that Christians will get their knickers in a bunch when the government doesn't make an overtly Christian display, yet if the government has something to say about a church those same Christians will be up in arms. Seems like a double standard to me.

 

[back2thebible]

well, thanks. I thought you couldn't back it up. And you may be right about one thing, it really doesn't matter to me. For one, God doesn't belong in politics and the Palestinians and Israelis need to solve their own issues.

And I have to ask, which God is it that the RNC promotes? Romney's or the one we follow? Since Romney is the leader of RNC, I guess they are promoting the Mormon God who had sex with Mary. That is more of an issue than what the DNC did, but we don't hear anything about it, and Fox News isn't telling.

God doesn't belong in politics?...........I hope I'm no where near you when the King of King and the Lord of Lords returns to take His throne over every nation and kingdom. the whole problem with politics is they removed God from the equation

 

[Norah63]

The day before election and I'm trying to sort out what part revenge is suppose to
play in the vote. That was a shock to hear also.
New leadership is needed, we have tried this path for four years.
Our gas is higher, groceries are higher, lightbill, phone bill, all higher.
More on food stamps.
Don't like that path .

 

[Aibrean]

God does belong in politics. Morality (and law dictating such) can't be defined without religion.

 

[seekingsister]

You may already have voted but just wanted to comment. I'm American living in Europe. Inflation has affected every developed economy, and this year there is a major drought, that is why food prices are higher.

It's important not to expect the President to be a superhero. The global economy - even China - is slowing and struggling. Vote for the policies you think are best, not on aspects of the past 4 years that not a single world leader has been able to fix.

By the way there is a Conservative government here in the UK and the UK has had a double dip recession. That is why I would not vote for the Republican economic policies, I have seen them here and they failed miserably.

 

[Albion]

You may already have voted but just wanted to comment. I'm American living in Europe. Inflation has affected every developed economy, and this year there is a major drought, that is why food prices are higher.

It's important not to expect the President to be a superhero. The global economy - even China - is slowing and struggling. Vote for the policies you think are best, not on aspects of the past 4 years that not a single world leader has been able to fix.

By the way there is a Conservative government here in the UK and the UK has had a double dip recession. That is why I would not vote for the Republican economic policies, I have seen them here and they failed miserably.

Hmm. It's hard to know where to begin when responding to a person who can't tell the difference between the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom and the Republican Party in the US, but here goes.

What's so impossible about ending--rather than stoking up--the war in Afghanistan?

What's so impossible about allowing the US to produce more energy when the only thing holding it back is the opposition of the regime?

What's so unreasonable about expecting a man who promised to close Gitmo to actually do it?

What prevents the president from consulting with his own advisors or the opposition party when legislation is pending or there are crises overseas?

No, none of that is excusable.

 

[seekingsister]

Hmm. It's hard to know where to begin when responding to a person who can't tell the difference between the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom and the Republican Party in the US, but here goes.

What's so impossible about ending--rather than stoking up--the war in Afghanistan?

What's so impossible about allowing the US to produce more energy when the only thing holding it back is the opposition of the regime?

What's so unreasonable about expecting a man who promised to close Gitmo to actually do it?

What prevents the president from consulting with his own advisors or the opposition party when legislation is pending or there are crises overseas?

No, none of that is excusable.

This is a Christian forum so I expect a Christian attitude, first of all.

I am well educated in politics, but I write in a way to reach an audience that may not be. I'm an American voter living in the UK - do you think I know the difference between the Republicans and the Tories or not? Or were you just trying to be mean?

Austerity does not work. It has failed in the UK. It is failing in Greece and Spain and Italy. It is failing Ireland. Why it would magically work in the US, I truly wonder. Please explain.

If you look at economic policy only - which most voters claim is the main issue - then Obama's policies have worked much better than the policies Mitt Romney wants to impose if you look at similar economies abroad. It's that simple.

For people who are social or defense voters, it's a different equation of course. But I was responding to the person who said they can't vote Obama because their food prices are higher this year. The whole world's food prices are higher, we have the worst drought in 70 years in the Midwest.

 

[Norah63]

Am thankful for this day, and having the freedom to vote my conscience.
I pray for our new leader that he might have the wisdom to govern this great nation in
the way that is honest, pure, and of good report.