The other night an acqaintence and I got into a discussion about the Old Testament vs. the New Testament teachings... in particular; he accused me of intentionally breaking the laws of God since I have eaten shrimp before. Now, I know it talks about this in the OT, and for good reason, the instructions about shellfish were given... but do they still hold true today?
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Shellfish a Sin?
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Shellfishness is rooted in pride, which is a sin ....
Sorry...couldn't resist
Actually, among Orthodox Christians, shellfish is eaten quite a bit, especially during fast periods. Remember that there is no longer clean and unclean foods. These were part of the Law that was given to the Jews to bring them to Christ, not to be held as forbidden meats in the New Covenant.
Sorry...couldn't resist
Actually, among Orthodox Christians, shellfish is eaten quite a bit, especially during fast periods. Remember that there is no longer clean and unclean foods. These were part of the Law that was given to the Jews to bring them to Christ, not to be held as forbidden meats in the New Covenant.
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It was a sin under the Old Law, but under the new covenant it is not.
Read the whole chapter of Leviticus 11 to learn the old law's instruction concerning what foods were clean and unclean. Anything that lived in water had to have fins and scales before it could be eaten (Lev. 11:9-12).
The Old Testament is written for our learning (Rom. 15:4), and our example (1 Cor. 10:6, 11). However, we are no longer under bondage to it (Gal. 5:1).
Consider these points and passages:
Also read Ac. 10:9-16.
I hope this helps.
Read the whole chapter of Leviticus 11 to learn the old law's instruction concerning what foods were clean and unclean. Anything that lived in water had to have fins and scales before it could be eaten (Lev. 11:9-12).
The Old Testament is written for our learning (Rom. 15:4), and our example (1 Cor. 10:6, 11). However, we are no longer under bondage to it (Gal. 5:1).
Consider these points and passages:
- Christ is the mediator of the N.T. (Heb. 9:15-17)
- We are able ministers of the N.T. (2 Cor. 3:6)
- Old law done away (2 Cor. 3:11)
- O.T. ordinances blotted out, taken out of the way, nailed to the cross (Col. 2:14-16)
- Took away the first to establish the second (Heb. 10:9)
- If you demand one O.T. law, must keep them all (Gal. 5:3)
- If justified by the O.T., fall from grace (Gal. 5:4)
Also read Ac. 10:9-16.
I hope this helps.
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>Matthew:
>10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen >and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth >does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out >of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "
Which chapter is this please?
>10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen >and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth >does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out >of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "
Which chapter is this please?
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I agree with all of you completely - but he is still insiting that God woudn't have given us the Old Testament if he didn't expect us to follow it... how can I win this arguement? He's started in on the pork thing as well...
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shrimp aren't shellfish. not are prawns or any of the relatives...
The shellfish are things like mussels and oysters.
Incidentally this rule made alot of sense, since mussels and oysters are filter feeders and are prone to collecting and condensing alot of toxins and harmful bacteria if left in dirty water. so in an environment that wasn't too clean in the first place, shellfish are a bad idea.
The shellfish are things like mussels and oysters.
Incidentally this rule made alot of sense, since mussels and oysters are filter feeders and are prone to collecting and condensing alot of toxins and harmful bacteria if left in dirty water. so in an environment that wasn't too clean in the first place, shellfish are a bad idea.
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heb12-2 said:
interesting... cud chewing hares, four legged insects and four legged birds.
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heb 12-2: The Old Testament is written for our learning (Rom. 15:4), and our example (1 Cor. 10:6, 11). However, we are no longer under bondage to it (Gal. 5:1).
me: Sounds good, but if we are no longer under it, what is it that we are to learn from it? Specifically, the food prohibitions!
me: Sounds good, but if we are no longer under it, what is it that we are to learn from it? Specifically, the food prohibitions!
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Oblio said:
it is a bit redundant, I looked at leviticus and it says anything that does not have scales and fins anyway... I am still interested in these cud chewing hares and other nonexistant animals though....
do people who adhere to these rules eat hares that don't chew cud (i.e. any of them)
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I said, "heb 12-2: The Old Testament is written for our learning (Rom. 15:4), and our example (1 Cor. 10:6, 11). However, we are no longer under bondage to it (Gal. 5:1).
you responded:
If you read Leviticus 11 you can see clearly that God was trying to teaching them to "be holy" for he is holy (Lev. 11:45) and by making a "difference between the unclean and the clean".
Certainly we can learn something from that. God is still the same God, except that he doesn't require the dietary laws anymore. But the principle of being holy for God is Holy still remains (1 Pet. 1:16).
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leecappella said:
If you read Leviticus 11 you can see clearly that God was trying to teaching them to "be holy" for he is holy (Lev. 11:45) and by making a "difference between the unclean and the clean".
Certainly we can learn something from that. God is still the same God, except that he doesn't require the dietary laws anymore. But the principle of being holy for God is Holy still remains (1 Pet. 1:16).
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Jet Black said:
If they adhere to those rules then they were NOT to eat hares, because they did not have split hooves. The rule was that an animal had to be BOTH clovenfooted, AND chew the cud. So if an animal only had one of these characteristics then it was not to be eaten according Lev.11.
As far as hares chewing the cud, it could be referring to the habit that it has of moving the jaw about and having at least the motion of chewing the cud.
That doesn't mean that it was "nonexistant".
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We should learn that the law cannot save us.
Many of the laws were for their own benefit (food, community living, law & order, etc.) others were more for teaching obedience to God (who could be priests, who could enter certain areas of worship, how many and what kind of sacrifices were needed, etc.) Those that lived under the law focused their lives constantly on the law and knew that it wasn't enough. The priests had to continually make sacrifices for their shortcomings and make atonements for their sins.
We however, focus our lives on the Saviour who fulfilled all the laws and made a final atonement for our sins. As Christians we strive to do what is pleasing to our Lord with a glad and joyous heart. It should be easy for us to be charitable to those in our communities and obey the laws...we are free in Him.
As far as the food laws are concerned, the Bible does teach that we are no longer under the law but we should be respectful of those that are (Rom 14: 14-15...1 Cor 8:12-13).,m
Hebrews 10:
10 By the which will we are sactified through the body of Jesus Christ once for all
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God:
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before.
16 THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAITH THE LORD,I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM;
17 AND THEIR SINS AND INIQUITIES WILL I REMEMBER NO MORE.
18 Now where remission of sin is, there is no more offering for sin.
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.....
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lyzard914 said:
You can't win this argument. It has it's basis not in fact, but in belief and interpretation of Old Testament law. My advice would be "agree to disagree", change the subject whenever it comes up, and if your friend persists, find a more agreeable friend.
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