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Finite knowledge is demonstrable in a finite setting, while infinite knowledge is not.
I'm don't understand the definiteness of your first proclamation, maybe I simply don't understand it at all. Not contending with it. I'd just like to understand what you intended.Science deals exactly with religion
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I'm just not sure they are willing to accept another consciousness (mind) besides their own.
No, you misunderstand. I am such a witness, but my testimony, like most similar testimonies, while they are no secret and public, was not verified publicly, but privately. There are however, written, historic testimonies that were verified publicly...they are recorded in the bible.Can you provide me with someone who witnessed this spiritual realm first hand, and has testimony that can be verified? By that I mean, we can show their claims are correct, and not a product of their own imagination or whatnot.
Logic, is determining that even though the subject cannot be seen with the naked eye, many can attest to it, so, there surely must be some truth to it (which is not delusion).Some Christians also have trouble doing logic. I can't help you understand that which you are unable to comprehend.
Hello, my name is Scott. I am just one of many who have access to infinite knowledge. We have personally been contacted by the Creator of the universe, the creator of space, time, and matter. You are not going to believe it...but the universe is like a spec of sand on the beach of a greater reality. The good news is, the universe was created to tell us all about that greater reality. My advice? Forget about facts. They were all contrived. Instead, learn to read between the lines. And if you have questions, ask...and be patient. The world wasn't made in a day.I'm not aware of anyone or anything that has infinite knowledge.
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." CHLogic, is determining that even though the subject cannot be seen with the naked eye, many can attest to it, so, there surely must be some truth to it (which is not delusion).
But science is no different. You can scribble a bunch of figures out on a chalkboard or zing away with expert skill on a calculator, or mix up some concoctions that are over the head of those you hope to share your findings with...and what? They're just supposed to believe it?
Science's info is over our heads, but for the most part, we believe it. But Christian's info is over science's head, but for the most part, science doesn't believe. There is your demonstration. The problem here is, science can dish it out, but they can't take. That is known as childish behavior...but I mean that in a good way...unless you come as a little child, you shall not enter in.
Which "scientist"?
In order for this to be comparable, the New World would need to be invisible and completely undetectable just as God appears to be.
Anyone can tell a story.
We can test that interpretation against the independent evidence. It doesn't have to be taken on faith.
How do you determine that a conclusion is wrong? By comparing it to the facts?
I see.
Can people sincerely believe something that isn't true?
The difference being that you shouldn't have to rely on belief. If something exists, then you should be able to demonstrate that it exists.
We can demonstrate that music exists outside of the mind of the person making the claim. Poor analogy.
I see things for what they are, not as you'd like them to be.
Art is a product of a mind that can only exist by another mind. It's a mind to mind thing as the paper and paint itself can't explain the art....And sometimes in museums.
Galileo idea went against the science of his day as he couldn't prove he was right. It's the fact the math and models were easier was the reason his idea took off. It's a myth that is was "Science vs religion" it was "one scientific view vs another".After man went into space? We figured out the earth went around the sun centuries before that. Copernicus figured that out in the 16th century, and it was championed and popularized later by Galileo, until he was silenced by the Catholic Church for his "heretical views".
Art is a product of a mind that can only exist by another mind. It's a mind to mind thing as the paper and paint itself
Galileo idea went against the science of his day as he couldn't prove he was right. It's the fact the math and models were easier was the reason his idea took off. It's a myth that is was "Science vs religion" it was "one scientific view vs another"
However eloquent, that is simply a way of retreating to known terms. I do understand your resistance, but it doesn't gain anything. That line of reasoning speaks to the scientific side of the equation, but NOT to the spiritual side...and that is the problem. The same old tools and logic, do not apply. There are always new horizons...since when is retreating the correct course to take?"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." CH
That you have not taken the time to verify your lack of scientific comprehension is on you. That you expect others to also display an incredulous level of credulity is also on you.
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." CH
That you have not taken the time to verify your lack of scientific comprehension is on you. That you expect others to also display an incredulous level of credulity is also on you.
I see things for what they are, not as you'd like them to be.
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