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It is this working separation of science and faith that allows a person to be both an evangelical Christian and an theistic evolutionist.
It really is. Some Christians adopt the "scientific fact" of evolution into their theology. That is an interpretation (serious interference) of faith. They do not know how to reject the theory and yield to compromised. This could have some serious effect to the correctness of their faith if they care to explore the consequence.
How do theistic evolutionists explain our sin nature?And what serious effects transpire within their hermeneutical method and thereby affect the correctness of their Christian faith?
How do theistic evolutionists explain our sin nature?
True or false: We are not sinners because we sin; we sin because we're sinners?
- By saying it doesn't exist?
- By saying it's just a product of our denomination or church?
- By saying it comes later: after we are born?
Well, I asked, didn't I?
And what serious effects transpire within their hermeneutical method and thereby affect the correctness of their Christian faith? What effects to you have in mind?
It depends on how much would one compromise the creation with evolution. There are various degree of net effect. At one end, one could totally separate these two. At the other end, the faith to creation could be totally destroyed.
The degree of faith to creation would then have a string of effects to other recognitions in Christian life.
I'm sorry, but I'm not clear as to what you mean by "the degree of faith to creation..." What do you mean by this, epistemologically speaking?
You're placing all Theistic Evolutionists into the same categorical box? I think that how they each individually conceptualize the Christian doctrines of the Bible will partially depend on which Christian denomination they adhere to, if they so adhere to one single tradition. So, simply having science as course of study in addition to a course of study on our Christian faith isn't going to severely change much, if anything of central import, in our overall Christian faith and doctrine. Why? Because not only are these fields of study mostly separate, but also the application of biblical hermeneutics helps to define ultimate boundaries for our doctrine that we can't really transgress. For instance, the Theory of Evolution can't really impinge upon the doctrine of the divine nature of Jesus Christ because this is revelation that has come through separate epistemic roads than has our scientific understanding of the evolutionary processes that have been working in our world.TE is the best example. They think that only creation is not enough to explain everything about this world. In terms of science, the meaning is clear. They cannot do biological science without evolution.
A related faith: How about the Heaven? Where will we go after this life? The renewed earth? the Garden? or the Heaven? With the idea of evolution, they are simply lost on this question.
.....I'm not lost about it, and I'm a Theistic Evolutionist and a Christian. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the Bible doesn't support the indiscriminate abortion of fetuses. But, I don't really want to get into that discussion here in this thread. No, I let's stay focused on the things that April Cordero says in the OP video.Another related faith: How about abortion? What are we killing in doing that? They are lost on this one too.
No, it really doesn't, and it doesn't have to. But, since you thin it does, would you care to be super-specific about what doctrines you think are central to our faith that TE changes?Evolution shakes the very foundation of Christian faith. With a faith to evolution, everything about Christianity is changed.
would you care to be super-specific about what doctrines you think are central to our faith that TE changes?
Evolution of life is statistics based. Statistics is NOT a factor in everything God does. We pray when we do thing which is not certain. Faith to evolution does not need prayer in doing anything.
I'm sorry to have to say this, Brother Juvenissun....but none of what you've just said makes sense to me.
He's basically saying that if you accept evolution, you are accepting blind luck, random chance, rather than trusting god to answer your prayers.
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He's basically saying that if you accept evolution, you are accepting a philosophy of relying on blind luck/random chance, rather than trusting god to answer your prayers.
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Pretty good. Thanks
No problem. I've seen you make a similar statement before.
So then, does this mean that you don't think there are any random events in the world, Juve? For example, if someone wins the lottery, it isn't luck, but god answering the prayer of that one or two people?
It is off the topic. Of course there are many seemingly random events. But they are only apparently random (effectively random). We do not know if they are really random. The lottery draw may be random, but the one who wins the lottery may not be a random choice.
I assure you it is on topic, I was just getting a bit of background.
So, in that case, if it is possible that things are not really random, do you mean that it may actually be god choosing the random lottery winner, the random atom decay, the random mutation?
Your question is compounded. To scientist, one has no better way but to use the concept of randomness to model a system. But God is above scientist, God does not like random. He is the one to determine everything. To unbeliever, or to evolutionist, random status is good enough, but not to God. Our presence is not a product of randomness (evolution)
So god does not like radioactive decay?
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