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[goodnewsinc]

The poster claimed, "Jesus never said he is saving everyone"! This is my response below:

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you do not have hearing ears and seeing eyes!

All men are SAVED because the Judge-Creator said so ... and He is the Authority in our Family over Heaven and earth and over Jesus! Will YOU make Him into a liar so YOU can be right?

Isaiah 57:16. For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made. 17. For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. 18. I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners. 19. I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.

Malachi 3:6. For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. 17. And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

Isaiah 66:22. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Even though He is the only one with power to SAVE and DESTROY ..... YOU choose not to believe Him even though you know "man cannot live by bread alone but by every Word coming from His mouth! TRUSTING in God to speak the truth is not good enough for you because you prefer to believe a lie!

Now for Jesus!

Who told you that you can SEE and HEAR and UNDERSTAND? Take those blinders off your face and HEAR MY SHEPHERD!

Psalm 2:6. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee. 8. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

John 6:37. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing,

John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 10:27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

I know! I KNOW you do not believe him either even though the "testimony and witness of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy"!

Nevertheless when the Son of man comes shall he find faith on the earth? Yes! He shall find bankrupt faith so small you need a mircoscope to find it in amenic Christians who love saying "Lord! Lord" and then doubt his integrity and power to SAVE ALL and "lose nothing"!

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[cyberwood]

Romans 9:1-18

I speak the truth in Christ--I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit-- I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring. For this was how the promise was stated: "At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son."
Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad--in order that God's purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls--she was told, "The older will serve the younger." Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

Please friend, don't do this.

Christianity is not Universalism.

This is not something I would have said, and was a huge stumbling block for me, but my Lord, who I desparately want to know very personally, has made it clear by His written word. Not all who are of Israel are children of the promise. The promise is of God and not of man. He chooses who He will save, and hardens who He will harden. Pharoah is an example.

Peace with you.

 

[BlestVessel]

Good news,

Much of this is good news. All that our Lord is cannot be anything but good, yet your message does not sit quite right with me. Perhaps in reviewing the context of your Scriptural quoting, it may become clear to you why.. that is, if you so desire to finetune your message. I realize that He has bestowed wisdom in you, but do, dear heart, remain flexible to His teaching and deepening of revelation. I will pray on this matter since I cannot immediately identify what disturbs me other than the potential motive behind the message. This is the deeper fellowship forum, but you seem to be here, not to bond and strengthen and encourage in the Lord, but more to attack those who may disagree with you. It does not even feel like confrontation in love. Forgive me if my perception is inaccurate.

Much Love,
April

 

[goodnewsinc]

Romans 8:18. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 38. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39. Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The DIRECT TESTIMONY of the Father and the true WITNESS of Jesus should offend no one. If it seems false to you, blame the spirits of doubt who motivate your mind.

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[pressingon]

Here's an idea, let's look at the whole Scripture passage you've just quoted (I'll even use KJV, since you do). All emphasis has been added by me, of course:

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

My friend, as you're no doubt well aware, you can take bits and pieces of God's Word and make it appear to say a wide variety of things. I appeal to you to prayerfully read and consider the entirety of God's message, and to use the zeal you've been given to proclaim the whole truth of God's Word, not just bits and pieces which can lead non-believers down the wide path toward universalism.

 

[looksgood]

I am pleased at the responces in this thread . You would do well to listen to these people. They really do have a grasp on scripture and true doctorin. The word of God can not contridict itself so you MUST take it as a whole and not in part only. Thank you all for your responces

 

[BlestVessel]

John,
Resonate well? Absolutely! It was your attitude and not so much the message. Perhaps it was due to the lack in communications via the internet that did not convey your heart correctly. Yet even as you asked if it resonated well with me and in pointing out the truth that if Scripture seems false to me, it is due to a spirit of doubt, I received it with a note of condescension. Perhaps I am sensitive. Perhaps, too, you are speaking in the flesh, for the Holy Spirit is not offensive to me, but in love, patience, directness, and in a peaceful and gentle manner my Lord speaks to me. In His convictings and discipline, I am well-pleased and comforted. It is not so when I read your words. Do you think you might be caught in religiosity? We can memorize the Bible from cover to cover without allowing the Lord to work in us and through us. We can pray, preach, study, minister, do wonders in His name, prophesy, all without operating in His Holy Spirit. To some He will indeed say: I never knew you. I just ask that you check your heart and be certain you are not one of these. I say this to you as a former-pharisee, a religious person who could talk it and act it and fake it, but who had to come to the end of myself to accept Him into all of my life. Be careful, John. In truth and in love, I really and truly hope that what I am sensing is incorrect. When we are not operating by the Spirit, His message can be distorted, emphasis misplaced, essential contexts overlooked, and all are susceptible to this when walking in the flesh. That is why we are here for each other-the fellowship of believers is not only for encouragement, comfort, teaching and learning, but also for convicting. I ask that you stop and ask God to examine you. If I am wrong, may He correct me! If this suggestion sounds difficult or seems ridiculous, you'll want to request first a heart of humility and a teachable spirit. To admit a wrongdoing or a wrong motive is not weakness, but a demonstration of His strength! So then, do not be afraid to look into yourself as the Bible reminds us to do in honesty and humility. It is no accident that you posted here, John, you just didn't realize that it was for your sake and not for the sake of the readers! God wants your attention in these matters, John, and He often uses other people to speak to us. Do not ignore His voice in your heart, for consequences will only follow.

I love you, John. I realize I am putting myself in a place where I can be ridiculed or rejected or spat on, but what matters to me now is you, your spiritual health and well-being. Please heed these words for His sake, as well as your own.

Through The Grace of Christ,
April

 

[HoT-MetaL]

It would be nice wouldnt it? That EVERYONE will go to Heaven. Yep, sure would love that. Hmmm... I feel much better now that Ive heard that.

No, unfortunately you need to put your scriptures into context. NOT everyone is saved. If they WANT to be saved, then everyone can be. But they have to accept what Jesus did.

Life is a constant struggle. We're all in deep water, trying to keep swimming, but we drown, and then we manage to reach the surface, but we tire, and we just about keep afloat, and eventually we drown with no hope. Jesus is a hand thats in front of us, reaching out and offering us life... the way out of the water. We have to CHOOSE to accept that hand.

God Bless, metal.

 

[goodnewsinc]

Here are quotes from your text that YOU DO NOT EMPHASIZE! All this that you glossed over, I DO EMPHASIZE:

Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Coffee is served best first thing in the morning! Make it Maxwell House! It is good to the last drop! (or Folger's).

GRACE and peace to all of you!

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[pressingon]

Here are quotes from your text that YOU DO NOT EMPHASIZE! All this that you glossed over, I DO EMPHASIZE:

Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Coffee is served best first thing in the morning! Make it Maxwell House! It is good to the last drop! (or Folger's).

GRACE and peace to all of you!

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

All of the things you emphasize are true... for those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ as indicated by other portions of the Scripture passage we're discussing. My emphasis was placed to bring attention to the portions of the passage you completely left out of your post, and was certainly not in any kind of attempt to diminish the rest of the passage.

I read and accept the entirety of God's Holy Word as truth. I pray that you will do so as well.

I'm praying for you, friend.

 

[Pseud]

!!!


Matthew 7

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Words can be twisted, but this is as plain as plain can be. Straight from Jesus' mouth too.

 

[goodnewsinc]

Romans 9:15. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20. Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21. Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Romans 8:18. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Never tell just PART of the truth and leave out other parts which show your research to be "partial and short". Always tell the WHOLE TRUTH and include the scriptures I present that you conveniently "omitted".

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[Pseud]

Ok, I'll write more this time.

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

So you have to go through Christ to be saved. As a Christian, I don't see how anyone can dispute this. This is what Christ our savior said. It's the fundamentals of Christianity... to be saved by Christ and through Christ to the Father.

Matthew 7:21

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

So even some who say 'Lord, Lord' will not be saved. The disobedient will not. This is again, another undisputable fact. Jesus himself said it. And we know that Jesus' word is the way.

You keep posting scripture, and twisting it to read what you want it to read. I'm sorry, but it's true, you do. None of what you post is as clear as the scripture posted above.

You asked the question right at the beginning:

"Will YOU make Him into a liar so YOU can be right?"

I ask you these questions:

1) How can you as a Christian deny that the only way to the Father is through Christ?

and

2) Jesus said 'not everyone who says 'Lord Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.'. How can you as a Christian, say that He didn't really mean it?

 

[pressingon]

Never tell just PART of the truth and leave out other parts which show your research to be "partial and short". Always tell the WHOLE TRUTH and include the scriptures I present that you conveniently "omitted".

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

If you're referring to me, did I not quote the entirety of Romans 8 to fill in the blanks YOU left in post #4 in this thread (to which I was responding)?

 

[goodnewsinc]

Pseud .... I have responded to you in a private not since that was the first thing I saw blinking at me when I logged on to this site. Please share my words so all READERS may see them.

Presssinon .... Just keep pressing on and you will be happy! This is what I am doing:

Isaiah 40:1. Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God. 2. Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

Isaiah 52:7. How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

Isaiah 57:16. For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made. 17. For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. 18. I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners. 19. I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him. 20. But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

Luke 2:10. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 14. Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.


Luke 15: 20. And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. 21. And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. 22. But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: 23. And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: 24. For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.


I only have a message of LOVE and PEACE from my Father to all men and all people, "prodigal son" (sinner) or not! If that offends you, then you have to deal with your own mind and learn accomodate "the WAY" God really is! He WILL NOT CHANGE his love ethic Jesus expressed in Matthew 5:43-48 to accomodate man's IMPERFECT, "short" love! Matthew 24:12. Too many Christians are relica's and clones of the "ELDER SON"!

James 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[Pseud]

Pseud .... I have responded to you in a private not since that was the first thing I saw blinking at me when I logged on to this site. Please share my words so all READERS may see them.

On Pseud's previous post regarding Matthew 7:21:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

There are TWO MEN who exist in one body and sometimes that number is higher, Matthew 12:43-45. Devils, "the men of sin-sons of perdition", also speak through the mouths of men using the human as an amplifier and microphone. Here are two examples, (1) Matthew 16:21-23, and (2) Luke 9:51-56. Surely devils answering through Peter used the term, "Lord". Devils in preachers and Christians who want men burned in hellfire with devils "do not know what spirit they are of". They say "lord, lord" all the time. Since the Word of God is a two edge s-WORD, you figure out which "man" will enter the kingdom of Heaven and which man will be excluded. That should not be a difficult task for you to do!

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

I personally find this a more far fetched conclusion than my own: "Not everyone will be saved"