Sex without Procreation

[kopilo]

Another issue is, as women, we kiss you and we fall in love a little; we sleep with you and we fall in love a lot.

Modern society is virtually built on sex, and it's such a mine-field. Not having sex before marriage can prevent heartbreak in a way being in a sexual relationship can't. Being heartbroken is the fastest way to take your eyes off God; nothing hurts as bad, does it?"

Personally I'd say the death of someone who was close and loved is more painful then being heartbroken.

 

[kopilo]

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[GreenMunchkin]

Personally I'd say the death of someone who was close and loved is more painful then being heartbroken.

You don't need to tell me twice...

In some ways, you're right, yeah. But heartbreak is a much dirtier pain, if that makes any sense. Also, as Christians, the death of a loved one isn't quite the same as to secular people, as we know that loved one is in heaven and we'll be with them again one day. It's painful, but it doesn't infest you in quite the same way.

 

[kopilo]

You don't need to tell me twice...

LOL sorry.. I deleted the double post.

In some ways, you're right, yeah. But heartbreak is a much dirtier pain, if that makes any sense. Also, as Christians, the death of a loved one isn't quite the same as to secular people, as we know that loved one is in heaven and we'll be with them again one day. It's painful, but it doesn't infest you in quite the same way.

Except if the loved one wasn't Christian, which then just leaves a whole pile of questions. However yes, for Christians at least there can be answers found, (more often then not) in relationships some questions are never answered.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

LOL sorry.. I deleted the double post.

Except if the loved one wasn't Christian, which then just leaves a whole pile of questions. However yes, for Christians at least there can be answers found, (more often then not) in relationships some questions are never answered.

Humm. Yeah, if they're not Christian that's a whole separate issue. That must add a whole heap of levels - none good. I guess, maybe there's some comfort in thinking they accepted Christ right near the end. I think lots of people do.

Optimism rocks my socks.

Yah, reckon you're spot on. Tis partially about closure. With the death of someone, it's painful, but you can grieve, and you'll always miss them, but one day it won't stop you from being able to breathe anymore; whereas heartbreak can actually change people. That's another point! So many people become bitter and hard-hearted after experiencing heartbreak - anathema to God.

 

[Maxwell511]

It isn't the ceremony that is important. It is the commitment before each other and before God.

The biblical perspective of sex is one union, one person, a lifetime commitment to each other. This illustrates the relationship that is suppose to exist between us and God - a lifetime, monogamous relationship. Not having multiple partners (ie: gods) but one One God that we are totally committed to, that we have an intimate relationship with.

That is the reason, from a Christian perspective, to not have sex outside the marriage (commitment)...

I think that we have the same ideas of what a marriage is, excluding of course the God part in my case. Personally I think weddings are for the extended family and the taxman. If you are not in a marriage before the wedding you shouldn't go through with it. If that makes sense.

 

[christalee4]

Yes - but that is not the only (or even predominant) purpose for sex in the bible. Sex is for relationship building and to resist immorality (1 Cor 7), and for relationship building and pleasure (Song of Solomon if you follow the two lovers interp), and for relationship building...period (Gen 2:24). Having children is a blessing but not a command.

I agree. Sex may be created for pleasure, with it's limits, but many in the religious community deem it otherwise.

Many think that sex is only for procreation.

 

[[serious]]

I've heard it said that sex is for the purpose of procreation. Let's leave aside homosexuality and the whole "sterile couple" issues. If sex is for this so divine purpose, should not all sex be prohibited except sex that can result in procreation. In otherwords, should not people only have sex during a woman's fertile period?

it is never stated in the bible that sex is only for procreation. The only verse that even comes close to implying this is the story of Onan which was a case where he was explicitly instructed to produce a child. Disobediance is the primary sin and I see no reason to read another sin into the verse.

 

[suprdrk]

it is never stated in the bible that sex is only for procreation. The only verse that even comes close to implying this is the story of Onan which was a case where he was explicitly instructed to produce a child. Disobediance is the primary sin and I see no reason to read another sin into the verse.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

I've heard it said that sex is for the purpose of procreation. Let's leave aside homosexuality and the whole "sterile couple" issues. If sex is for this so divine purpose, should not all sex be prohibited except sex that can result in procreation. In otherwords, should not people only have sex during a woman's fertile period?

nope nope and nope.
Sex is has been shown in nature to not just be for procreation as a matter fact the main reason we have sex is becuase it feels good. Sex is great for creating social bonds. Sex has been shown to create social bonds in other animals as well.

As a matter of fact having sex only during times of fertility can produce stress and be bad for the health.

 

[Waiting for the Verdict]

nope nope and nope.
Sex is has been shown in nature to not just be for procreation as a matter fact the main reason we have sex is becuase it feels good. Sex is great for creating social bonds. Sex has been shown to create social bonds in other animals as well.

As a matter of fact having sex only during times of fertility can produce stress and be bad for the health.

I agree - I was talking about the religous right perception of it. Not my own.

 

[gengwall]

I agree - I was talking about the religous right perception of it. Not my own.

Don't globalize. The perception that sex was only designed for procreation is not universal (or even predominant) in the religious right.

I agree. Sex may be created for pleasure, with it's limits, but many in the religious community deem it otherwise.

Many think that sex is only for procreation.

Thank you for saying "many". Whew. We don't have to jump on our usual merry-go-round. Of course, you know I believe those that do think this way are without biblical justification.

If anyone is curious, we discussed some of these issues in great deal in a contraception thread I started. In particular, we covered the Onan incident and "be fruitful and multiply" - command or blessing. You can see links to the posts on those particular subjects in this post on the thread.

 

[Rorshack]

Another issue is, as women, we kiss you and we fall in love a little; we sleep with you and we fall in love a lot.

Modern society is virtually built on sex, and it's such a mine-field. Not having sex before marriage can prevent heartbreak in a way being in a sexual relationship can't. Being heartbroken is the fastest way to take your eyes off God; nothing hurts as bad, does it? Nothing on earth can make someone crumble like being heart broken, and during those times, it's very very easy to take your eyes away from God and turn them inwards. I think God is preventing that by mandating we don't sleep with someone until we're married.

Society has indoctrinated us all into believing if we're not having swingin-from-the-chandeliers-sex every day with multiple partners we're a loser, but that's simply not the case. Sex is something beautiful; sharing your life with someone who fits you perfectly is something beautiful; what's the harm in preserving yourself for your Person? To a Christian, yes, it's another way of glorifying God, but even to secular people, what's the harm in waiting?

Hrmmm, there are plenty of women who have enough scares in the sex wars that they do not fall in love at all with a sex partner. I almost married two such women, but God saved me from that fate.

 

[Daisy321]

Sex is to be enjoyed whether having children or not.
Sex should be shared only within marriage and only in the marriage bed.

Why? Easy, the Bible said it!

 

[MooCar93]

Modern society is virtually built on sex, and it's such a mine-field. Not having sex before marriage can prevent heartbreak in a way being in a sexual relationship can't. Being heartbroken is the fastest way to take your eyes off God; nothing hurts as bad, does it? Nothing on earth can make someone crumble like being heart broken, and during those times, it's very very easy to take your eyes away from God and turn them inwards. I think God is preventing that by mandating we don't sleep with someone until we're married.

Actually, I have to disagree. It's always been the times in my life when I'm most broken and grieving that I turn to God. I imagine I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Another issue is, as women, we kiss you and we fall in love a little; we sleep with you and we fall in love a lot.

I'm also not sure you can say that for all women. For example, that doesn't necessarily apply to me.

 

[rppearso]

Sex without procreation is better (in my opinion because I dont want kids and my wife cant have kids), especailly if you know the 2 of you cant get pregnant, you can just have protection-less sex with your wife and just enjoy yourselves without worrying if she might get pregnant (ie remembering to take a pill or wearing a condom, which is terrible. Society has changed and having kids in my opinion is more of a burden than it used to be (ie where kids helped on the farm etc), and then you have that period of time where your wife does not want sex and your struggle with porn is reborn.