Sex Drive Is AWESOME

[Vedant]

Didn't want to violate the rules of this forum.


Please go to the Morality page for my post. Thanks!

It's here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2507035-wimpy-self-emasculating-christian-men.html

 

[ascribe2thelord]

Finally, a clear voice of reason on this forum!!!

Seems like every other hour some fourteen-year-old gets upset about discovering "M" and makes a post urging everyone to quit cold turkey, as though it's the worst sin in the world ...

Good to see there's someone else here who agrees with me that a healthy sex drive is a healthy thing, however, that it's just as healthy to obey God's word about not having intimate relations before marriage.

Yeah, my parents never told me about masturbation so I thought I was committing a terrible sin, all throughout my teenage years. Looking back on it I probably shouldn't have been stealing all the Sears and Victoria's Secret catalogues ... but other than that, I was just experimenting, and a little curious. It's not harmful. If it were, then God probably would have made it so that you could get all manner of diseases from going at yourself.

There are no ill psychological effects you can get from masturbating. No proven sexual dysfunctions. It will, however, make you more comfortable with your own body. And for people who deal with issues of insecurity, that's a big deal. Especially girls who are concerned about being overweight.

And pretty much everyone does it, whether they admit it or not, whether they despise themselves for doing it or not ... Christians just as much as all the rest of the world. Just as much: Masturbation doesn't lead to paraphilias (perversions); it's pornography that depicts those perversions that leads to them. Also: Just because you looked at Playboy doesn't mean you're going to become a demented hardcore porn addict like some preachers. Playboy isn't a good source of Christian morals, and it's wrong to objectify women by using them to fantasize, but it's not a gateway drug, at least not for most.

I would note that the only time I've really seen inside of a Playboy magazine is in seventh grade, by a couple of friends ... I really didn't know what to think, lol.

 

[Vedant]

My thread is gone. I'm going to have to figure out a way to put it more gingerly. *leveraging creativity right now*

heh

 

[OttawaUk]

Finally, a clear voice of reason on this forum!!!

Seems like every other hour some fourteen-year-old gets upset about discovering "M" and makes a post urging everyone to quit cold turkey, as though it's the worst sin in the world ...

Good to see there's someone else here who agrees with me that a healthy sex drive is a healthy thing, however, that it's just as healthy to obey God's word about not having intimate relations before marriage.

Yeah, my parents never told me about masturbation so I thought I was committing a terrible sin, all throughout my teenage years. Looking back on it I probably shouldn't have been stealing all the Sears and Victoria's Secret catalogues ... but other than that, I was just experimenting, and a little curious. It's not harmful. If it were, then God probably would have made it so that you could get all manner of diseases from going at yourself.

There are no ill psychological effects you can get from masturbating. No proven sexual dysfunctions. It will, however, make you more comfortable with your own body. And for people who deal with issues of insecurity, that's a big deal. Especially girls who are concerned about being overweight.

And pretty much everyone does it, whether they admit it or not, whether they despise themselves for doing it or not ... Christians just as much as all the rest of the world. Just as much: Masturbation doesn't lead to paraphilias (perversions); it's pornography that depicts those perversions that leads to them. Also: Just because you looked at Playboy doesn't mean you're going to become a demented hardcore porn addict like some preachers. Playboy isn't a good source of Christian morals, and it's wrong to objectify women by using them to fantasize, but it's not a gateway drug, at least not for most.

I would note that the only time I've really seen inside of a Playboy magazine is in seventh grade, by a couple of friends ... I really didn't know what to think, lol.

Masturbation itself is not a sin, but lusting is. I don't see how its possible to do one without the other. Your logic is also difficult to understand. You're saying because we can't get diseases from it, then it can't be bad? Can you get diseases from dishonouring your father or mother, stealing, killing, blaspheming, idolizing, coveting, murdering, or any other sin?

So then I leave you with the words of Jesus. Masturbation is a selfish sinful act which is always accompanied by lusting.

"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." (Mat 5:27-31)

God Bless,
OU

 

[Saucy]

hmmm...interesting points

 

[Diamonds2004]

I know of someone who has. In the end, this individual felt quite dirty because of the lust that goes hand- in-hand with the "M" word. Lust of the heart is equal to adultery in the sight of God. Taht is how serious God takes sex. he made it for the husband and wife as a physical union for procreation and physical intimacy. No other sexual activity beyond that.

If people are not so hyped about satisfying their sexual thoughts, they actual may invest more in the advancement of other projects, like their car or house. An actions of investment that appreciates instead of a moment of lust that disappers.

 

[Lost_and_astray]

I know this might sound strange, but I've managed to touch without a hint of lust at all. It's exremely difficult and I can feel that I want to include the lust in the act as it makes it far more pleasureable, but I can force it away.

 

[Adventure]

There are no ill psychological effects you can get from masturbating. No proven sexual dysfunctions.

Couldn't be further from the truth. Self-sex is the exact opposite of what God created sex for. Years of masturbation before marriage teaches your brain and your body many bad habits that are nearly impossible to break.

No one has ever died from abstaining from masturbation. It can be done and you'll have a much healthier marriage.

 

[qpmomma]

We are made in the image of God. There is not an emotion or personallity trait that God Himself does not have. Sex and sexual acts are healthy if you're not lusting. The thing I have about masturbation is you most of the time have to think of someone and unless you have that person's concent, I have a problem with it. I would feel uncomfortable and violated if someone other than my husband were to tell me they thought about me. It's a violation of that person. I'm not saying it's like that for every one, but that's how I feel about it.

Christina

 

[Marie D]

We are made in the image of God. There is not an emotion or personallity trait that God Himself does not have. Sex and sexual acts are healthy if you're not lusting. The thing I have about masturbation is you most of the time have to think of someone and unless you have that person's concent, I have a problem with it. I would feel uncomfortable and violated if someone other than my husband were to tell me they thought about me. It's a violation of that person. I'm not saying it's like that for every one, but that's how I feel about it.

Christina

I don't agree that sex and sexual acts are healthy if you're not lusting, because I don't think these things can be done without lust... even if the person isn't lusting after another person, they're still lusting for sexual gratification...

Also, I don't think it's acceptable for a person to M about a person who has given their consent. It's still lust, and God has told us the only place for that is within marriage.

 

[lilman_777]

Masturbation itself is not a sin, but lusting is. I don't see how its possible to do one without the other. Your logic is also difficult to understand. You're saying because we can't get diseases from it, then it can't be bad? Can you get diseases from dishonouring your father or mother, stealing, killing, blaspheming, idolizing, coveting, murdering, or any other sin?

So then I leave you with the words of Jesus. Masturbation is a selfish sinful act which is always accompanied by lusting.

"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." (Mat 5:27-31)

God Bless,
OU

I totall agree,well said

 

[lildrum_man_777]

You can't separate the two therefore,one word, "sin"

 

[sewmuddy]

hmmm I am new to the board and also newly returned to my faith in Christ, so I dobut I am the wisest person in regards to the touching yourself issue. It has, howeve been something that has been on my mind lately. I believe you can touch without lust. I personaly get no mental stimulation from touching yourself. I dont think about anyone or anything other than perhaps my physical sensation but it does relax me. Its not an addiction or even a frequent occurance about once every few months. when you body gets stimulated I dont think anyone has not in some sense masterbated even if you didnt take you hand and touch yourself, squeezing your legs together or something simmilar is still in my mind a form of touching yourself. I dont think touching yourself is a sin. I know lust is but I dont belive that God is against touching yourself I dont think you should use it as an outlet for lust if you have troubble and mix the two then I believe you should abstain from touching yourself but if you are like me and lust is a seperate issue (I dont touch myself when I am lusting, only if it feels like a physical and not mental desire do I touch) I have come to belive on things that the bible does not specificly address as wrong that its the attitude that God is concerned about. Having said that you need to be in the right place with God before you determine if your motives are sinful or just natural stimulation. When lust becomes an issue thats when I pray, and read the bible or anything else. IF and only if you can keep lust from touching yourself do I belive it is okay. Granted sometimes we will fail in keeping lust out of it at that point I would abstain from touching yourself. I belive that allowing stimulation not stemming from lust can distract you enough from God that to not release the tension is a stumbling block. I am sure that many will disagree with me and it should be something between you and God if you feel any guilt about it you should not do it. But, if like me you are not lead to sin or distracted from God I think its okay. Im curious to see what others think about what I have said.

 

[ascribe2thelord]

Masturbation itself is not a sin, but lusting is. I don't see how its possible to do one without the other. Your logic is also difficult to understand. You're saying because we can't get diseases from it, then it can't be bad? Can you get diseases from dishonouring your father or mother, stealing, killing, blaspheming, idolizing, coveting, murdering, or any other sin?

So then I leave you with the words of Jesus. Masturbation is a selfish sinful act which is always accompanied by lusting.

"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." (Mat 5:27-31)

God Bless,
OU

I am curious. How can you look at a woman to lust after her when there is no woman around? Oh and by the way. I haven't seen any guys walking around with their right hands cut off, so I must assume that every male on this planet except for cripples is going to hell.

"dishonouring your father or mother, stealing, killing, blaspheming, idolizing, coveting, murdering, or any other sin?"

All of these have God-given consequences, and those are written out in the Bible. There are clear commandments against them. But masturbation? The closest thing is that it would make you "unclean" for a day. It's in that law about "bodily emissions." (If you're really that serious about Leviticus, you might as well start asking women whether or not they are on their periods, before you even go near them.)

 

[Zeeboe]

If person masturbates and does not actually fantasy about having sex then I don't see it as committing adultery.