Seventy Weeks Are Determined Upon Thy People!

[Douggg]

Wonderful!



I'm not holding my breath..
DT's childish twitter fued with his likewise infantile counterpart Kim Jong Un, played out with nuclear weapons, Brexit, and oh yeah, the very real chance that any future theoretical 10 leader EU collective could appoint a Woman like Angela Merkel as the leader over them, all might throw a wrench into that plan...

Well, it certainly would because the little horn person has to be a man. I would be surprised if Anglea Merkel is re-elected leader of Germany because of the muslim immigration policies.

 

[Douggg]

Luke 24:25-27
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

"concerning himself". Not all of the scriptures.

 

[jgr]

"concerning himself". Not all of the scriptures.

I certainly consider Dan. 9:24 to be among all of the scriptures concerning Himself. Don't you?

 

[Douggg]

I certainly consider Dan. 9:24 to be among all of the scriptures concerning Himself. Don't you?

upon fulfillment of the 70 weeks. Which the fulfillment of those weeks are found in end times scriptures throughout the bible.

jgr, you are trying to come through the back door and claim the 70 weeks are completed. The other scriptures specific to the end times containing the 70th week and segments of the 70th week show that the 70 weeks are not complete.

 

[Quasar92]

Wait... your claim is that the unrepentant will one day share in Christ's victory over sin?

Where is that taught?

New American Standard Bible
Dan.9:24: "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place."

The above will be fulfilled when Jesus sets up His Millennial Kingdom for all people. Review Rev.19:11-21 Verse 15 below:

15 "From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron;"



Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

Instead of using the Bible as your proof, you throw out two degrees.

Surely, you understand that all seminaries do not teach the same interpretation of the Bible.

And then you throw out a list of names of well known proponents of modern Dispensational Theology. And you used Jack Van Impe as one of your imminent scholars.

You also listed D.D. C.I. Scofield, but to this day nobody seems to know where his degree came from. Can you fill us in on the question of where this former crooked lawyer from Kansas got his D.D.?


Can you show us at least one commentary written at the time of the Revolutionary War or before, which advocates a 360 day Israelite calendar?

If it is so obvious, surely someone wrote about it before John Darby showed up in America.
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Show me where I have not used the scriptures to refute the views you post, on one occasion, not each and every time you repeat them.

There is nothing else in your above response but opinion in which those of Scofield are as valid as yours, with much more to show for it. In addition to being shared with the listing of degreed theologians from every walk of Christian teachings.

Nor did I have any difficulty in selecting two Bible Colleges who share views in theological and prophetic teachings.


Quasar92

 

[jgr]

jgr, you are trying to come through the back door and claim the 70 weeks are completed.

I don't use back doors; it's the front door or no door for me. For me, and for the saints of old through 18 centuries of Church history.

 

[BABerean2]

Show me where I have not used the scriptures to refute the views you post, on one occasion, not each and every time you repeat them.

There is nothing else in your above response but opinion in which those of Scofield are as valid as yours, with much more to show for it. In addition to being shared with the listing of degreed theologians from every walk of Christian teachings.

Nor did I have any difficulty in selecting two Bible Colleges who share views in theological and prophetic teachings.


Quasar92

You claimed the Israelites used a 360 day calendar, but did not provide one verse of scripture to prove it and ignored the fact that a 360 day calendar would reverse the seasons in only 35 years.

You listed the former crooked lawyer from Kansas as D.D., but did not provide the school which bestowed the degree upon him. Since no one else has done so either, it must be assumed that Scofield bestowed the degree upon himself. Since he had been known for writing bad checks in Kansas, this would not be an unreasonable assumption.

If you want to understand C.I. Scofield, read the book "The Incredible Scofield", by Joseph Canfield.

You claimed Christ did not fulfill Daniel 9:24, when the text below says otherwise.

Act 10:38　 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.　


Heb 10:16　 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;　
Heb 10:17　 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.　
Heb 10:18　 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.　


Who Confirmed The Covenant?
James Lloyd
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

 

[BABerean2]

New American Standard Bible
Dan.9:24: "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place."

The above will be fulfilled when Jesus sets up His Millennial Kingdom for all people. Review Rev.19:11-21 Verse 15 below:

15 "From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron;"



Quasar92

The potter does not correct the flawed pottery with the rod of iron. He destroys it.

Psa 2:6　 "Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion."　
Psa 2:7　 "I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.　
Psa 2:8　 Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession.　
Psa 2:9　 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel.' "

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[SeventyOne]

You claimed the Israelites used a 360 day calendar, but did not provide one verse of scripture to prove it and ignored the fact that a 360 day calendar would reverse the seasons in only 35 years.

They used a leap month, inserting a month right before Adar as needed. It's the same concept of our using a leap day every 4 years to correct our calendar. Both require periodic adjustments to stay on track.

 

[parousia70]

New American Standard Bible
Dan.9:24: "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place."

The above will be fulfilled when Jesus sets up His Millennial Kingdom for all people. Review Rev.19:11-21 Verse 15 below:

15 "From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron;"



Quasar92

So, again, your view is that everyone, including those who do not repent and accept Christ, will one day share in Christ's victory over sin?

Are you a universalist?

 

[Gideon]

They used a leap month, inserting a month right before Adar as needed. It's the same concept of our using a leap day every 4 years to correct our calendar. Both require periodic adjustments to stay on track.

Yes, but not in the way the modern Jewish calendar works, and not in the way it has been presented here either. I have started a new thread to present my findings on the original Hebrew calendar. I hope you find it useful.

 

[Biblewriter]

I don't use back doors; it's the front door or no door for me. For me, and for the saints of old through 18 centuries of Church history.

Actually the very oldest comments we know about concerning this, say the very opposite to what you claim.

The very oldest Christian commentary in Bible prophecy (of any significant length) that has survived to the present day, said, concerning the Antichrist whom he taught would come in the future, “And then he points out the time that his tyranny shall last, during which the saints shall be put to flight, they who offer a pure sacrifice unto God: ‘And in the midst of the week,’ he says, ‘the sacrifice and the libation shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation [shall be brought] into the temple: even unto the consummation of the time shall the desolation be complete.’Now three years and six months constitute the half-week.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book V, chapter XXV, section 4)

This work, which is believed to have been written between 186 and 188 A.D., in quoting Daniel 9:27 when speaking about the future, was plainly teaching that it remained to be fullfled in the future.

But less than 30 years later, in the very oldest Christian commentary on scripture (as opposed to a commentary on a scriptural subject) that has survived to the present day was written by Hippolytus This is a commentary on the book of Daniel which is believed to have been written between the years 202 and 211 A.D.

Hippolytus said:


“For after sixty-two weeks was fulfilled and after Christ has come and the Gospel has been preached in every place, times having been spun out, the end remains one week away, in which Elijah and Enoch shall be present and in its half the abomination of desolation, the Antichrist, shall appear who threatens desolation of the world. After he comes, sacrifice and drink offering, which now in every way is offered by the nations to God, shall be taken away.” (Commentary on Daniel, by Hippolytus, book 4, 35.3)

Hippolytus returned to this subject some pages later, writing:

“Just as also he spoke to Daniel, “And he shall establish a covenant with many for one week and it will be that in the half of the week he shall take away my sacrifice and drink offering,” so that the one week may be shown as divided into two, after the two witnesses will have preached for three and a half years, the Antichrist will wage war against the saints the remainder of the week and will desolate all the world so that what was spoken may be fulfilled, “And they will give the abomination of desolation one thousand two hundred ninety days. Blessed is he who endures to Christ and reaches the one thousand three hundred thirty-five days!” (Commentary on Daniel, by Hippolytus, book 4, 50.2)

So forget the nonsense that the notion that the 70 weeks have all been fulfilled was taught by "the saints of old through 18 centuries of Church history."

 

[BABerean2]

Actually the very oldest comments we know about concerning this, say the very opposite to what you claim.

The very oldest Christian commentary in Bible prophecy (of any significant length) that has survived to the present day, said, concerning the Antichrist whom he taught would come in the future, “And then he points out the time that his tyranny shall last, during which the saints shall be put to flight, they who offer a pure sacrifice unto God: ‘And in the midst of the week,’ he says, ‘the sacrifice and the libation shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation [shall be brought] into the temple: even unto the consummation of the time shall the desolation be complete.’Now three years and six months constitute the half-week.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book V, chapter XXV, section 4)

This work, which is believed to have been written between 186 and 188 A.D., in quoting Daniel 9:27 when speaking about the future, was plainly teaching that it remained to be fullfled in the future.

But less than 30 years later, in the very oldest Christian commentary on scripture (as opposed to a commentary on a scriptural subject) that has survived to the present day was written by Hippolytus This is a commentary on the book of Daniel which is believed to have been written between the years 202 and 211 A.D.

Hippolytus said:


“For after sixty-two weeks was fulfilled and after Christ has come and the Gospel has been preached in every place, times having been spun out, the end remains one week away, in which Elijah and Enoch shall be present and in its half the abomination of desolation, the Antichrist, shall appear who threatens desolation of the world. After he comes, sacrifice and drink offering, which now in every way is offered by the nations to God, shall be taken away.” (Commentary on Daniel, by Hippolytus, book 4, 35.3)

Hippolytus returned to this subject some pages later, writing:

“Just as also he spoke to Daniel, “And he shall establish a covenant with many for one week and it will be that in the half of the week he shall take away my sacrifice and drink offering,” so that the one week may be shown as divided into two, after the two witnesses will have preached for three and a half years, the Antichrist will wage war against the saints the remainder of the week and will desolate all the world so that what was spoken may be fulfilled, “And they will give the abomination of desolation one thousand two hundred ninety days. Blessed is he who endures to Christ and reaches the one thousand three hundred thirty-five days!” (Commentary on Daniel, by Hippolytus, book 4, 50.2)

So forget the nonsense that the notion that the 70 weeks have all been fulfilled was taught by "the saints of old through 18 centuries of Church history."

A pre-Hippolytus commentary of Daniel 9
would be found in Acts 10:38 and Hebrews 10:16-18.

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[Gideon]

A pre-Hippolytus commentary of Daniel 9
would be found in Acts 10:38 and Hebrews 10:16-18.

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Yep,

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (Daniel 9:24b, as per Hebrews)

 

[parousia70]

Yep,

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (Daniel 9:24b, as per Hebrews)

Today's reality

 

[Biblewriter]

A pre-Hippolytus commentary of Daniel 9
would be found in Acts 10:38 and Hebrews 10:16-18.

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Neither of these passages says anything whatsoever about Daniel 9.

 

[BABerean2]

Neither of these passages says anything whatsoever about Daniel 9.

The New Covenant had already been promised to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, when the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel. Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when the angel Gabriel appeared.
Christ announced at the Last Supper in Matthew 26:28 that He would fulfill this New Covenant in His Blood.

Daniel 9 is the timeline of the arrival of the New Covenant Messiah.

Claiming that Daniel 9 has nothing to do with the New Covenant found in Hebrews 10:16-18, is like saying that the ocean has nothing to do with water.

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[jgr]

Actually the very oldest comments we know about concerning this, say the very opposite to what you claim.

The very oldest Christian commentary in Bible prophecy (of any significant length) that has survived to the present day, said, concerning the Antichrist whom he taught would come in the future, “And then he points out the time that his tyranny shall last, during which the saints shall be put to flight, they who offer a pure sacrifice unto God: ‘And in the midst of the week,’ he says, ‘the sacrifice and the libation shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation [shall be brought] into the temple: even unto the consummation of the time shall the desolation be complete.’Now three years and six months constitute the half-week.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book V, chapter XXV, section 4)

This work, which is believed to have been written between 186 and 188 A.D., in quoting Daniel 9:27 when speaking about the future, was plainly teaching that it remained to be fullfled in the future.

But less than 30 years later, in the very oldest Christian commentary on scripture (as opposed to a commentary on a scriptural subject) that has survived to the present day was written by Hippolytus This is a commentary on the book of Daniel which is believed to have been written between the years 202 and 211 A.D.

Hippolytus said:


“For after sixty-two weeks was fulfilled and after Christ has come and the Gospel has been preached in every place, times having been spun out, the end remains one week away, in which Elijah and Enoch shall be present and in its half the abomination of desolation, the Antichrist, shall appear who threatens desolation of the world. After he comes, sacrifice and drink offering, which now in every way is offered by the nations to God, shall be taken away.” (Commentary on Daniel, by Hippolytus, book 4, 35.3)

Hippolytus returned to this subject some pages later, writing:

“Just as also he spoke to Daniel, “And he shall establish a covenant with many for one week and it will be that in the half of the week he shall take away my sacrifice and drink offering,” so that the one week may be shown as divided into two, after the two witnesses will have preached for three and a half years, the Antichrist will wage war against the saints the remainder of the week and will desolate all the world so that what was spoken may be fulfilled, “And they will give the abomination of desolation one thousand two hundred ninety days. Blessed is he who endures to Christ and reaches the one thousand three hundred thirty-five days!” (Commentary on Daniel, by Hippolytus, book 4, 50.2)

So forget the nonsense that the notion that the 70 weeks have all been fulfilled was taught by "the saints of old through 18 centuries of Church history."

Did Irenaeus and Hippolytus futurize Daniel 9:24?
Did they believe in a pretrib rapture?

 

[Biblewriter]

Did Irenaeus and Hippolytus futurize Daniel 9:24?
Did they believe in a pretrib rapture?

Both of them taught that the seventieth week was future. Hyppolytus explicitly said that the first sixty-nine weeks were already past. And Irenaeus taught a rapture before the great tribulation.