Seventh-day "Evangelical" Adventist chruch doctrinal platform

[Adventist Dissident]

Which Creeds should we adopt? please list

 

[ricker]

Nope. To demonstrate that we are required first to love.



Errors? In what sense? Do I believe she was human and made mistakes? Yes. Do I believe Moses was a human and made mistakes? Yes. Do I believe David was a human and made mistakes? Yes. Yes. Do I believe Daniel was a human and made mistakes? Yes. Do I believe she's an honest to goodness prophetess? Not in the sense that a prophet can't or doesn't make mistakes.

Thanks, I really do appreciate that. Do you believe her writings have any doctrinal errors? Is there anywhere where you disagree with what she plainly says? Do these mistakes you say she made include anything she wrote with her "pen of inpiration"?
Thanks, Ricker

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

You're kidding, right?

You can gain a lot toward determining what His law is, that causes the recipient to know Him without need for further instruction, by first determining what this law isn't.
That is contained in the very previous verse.
Jeremiah 31:31-32
31: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD.

The very first specification is that this law isn't from Sinai. It isn't the covenant made at that time and mediated by Moses - it isn't the ten commandments.
I wrote more about this in God replaces the schoolmaster

Victor

Praise God for you Victor. Praise God for your clear sight. You bes a true servant of the Most High God which shows forth the way of salvation!!

It LOVES that passage in Jeremiah 31:31-34. You have nailed its meaning in every part true ... NOT according to the covenant at Sinai, but something which makes knowledge of God real inside us and no longer needing reference to a written code or ordinance because HE writes grace and mercy and truth upon our hearts, kindness and patience and forbearance to one another, love without judgment, no cliques, no snottiness, no exclusiveness, no respecting of persons. The drunk or drug-addict, the wastrel, the harlot, the witch, and the demon-possessed sit at meat at our Father's table by HIS grace and HIS love for us right alongside the diplomat, the executive, or even the celebrity saved by His mercy. SINNERS bes gathered into our Father's house, hallelujah, horrible filthy dirty sinners BUT washed in HIS blood and dressed in HIS garments for the wedding feast.

Oh it brings such joy to know the truth and to be set free by it!!! Moriah already bes free in its heart by way of the Holy Spirit and the Truth even while inhabitants still occupy its body. Freedom begins in the heart with God!!! After which He will bring it into a good land where it bes free all over. I believe in YOU Lord Jesus I BELIEVE in You, amen, amen come quickly and rescue Your servant, Your handmaiden what TRUSTS in YOUR goodness and mercy!!!

 

[ricker]

Ditto that but add to it also getting rid of any and all notion that lawkeeping of any type bes in any way a REQUIREMENT for salvation, either to obtain salvation or to retain hold of one's salvation. Salvation comes from the grace of God manifest in Jesus Christ alone, and not even the good works the Holy Spirit does THROUGH us once we enter a saving relationship with God can merit one molecule of our salvation. It bes ALL Christ's work, start to finish, and none of man's.

Moriah would not even mind meeting on Saturday for Sabbath so long as this bes not touted as some mandatory 10-commandment-observance required for salvation.

The essential oeuvre of SDA eschatology has a great deal of Protestant soundness to it -- just get rid of making one institutionally-designated group the central focus and shift it to an unknown group determined by the reality of God's Holy Spirit at work in their hearts and lives regardless which church they hail from. The idea of God's true children being persecuted at the end can stay, just don't say they all must be card-carrying members of Church X.

Amen, Moriah!
I could go to church on the Sabbath. (Fact is I do once in a while). Most of my relatives are Adventists and I would join them if I thought I could in good conscience. That being said I am actually quite content with my current denominational affilliation. Salvation is of Christ, not denominations!
God bless! Ricker

 

[VictorC]

Salvation is of Christ, not denominations!

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John 1:17

once it hits you between the eyes, you will find yourself no longer capitalizing "sabbath".

 

[RND]

Thanks, I really do appreciate that. Do you believe her writings have any doctrinal errors?

Sure, but just like all humans I also believe she recognized whenever she made an error she found a way to correct it.

Is there anywhere where you disagree with what she plainly says?

No, not really. But then again, I haven read everything she wrote either.

Do these mistakes you say she made include anything she wrote with her "pen of inpiration"?

Not from what I've read so far. I think she had a great handle on what the Bible teaches.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Sure, but just like all humans I also believe she recognized whenever she made an error she found a way to correct it.

Do any of the following statements represent errors?

• The gospel that is to be preached to all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people presents the truth in clear lines, showing that obedience is the condition of gaining eternal life
• You will come up from the grave with the same disposition you manifested in your home and in society.
• Jesus does not change the character at His coming.
• Our daily lives are determining our destiny.
• What we make of ourselves in probationary time, that we must remain to all eternity.
• The coming of Christ does not change our characters
• Only by perfect obedience to the requirements of God's holy law can man be justified
• When the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord, then the sins of the repentant soul who received the grace of Christ and has overcome through the blood of the Lamb, will be removed from the records of heaven, and will be placed upon Satan
• Not one of us will ever receive the seal of God while our characters have one spot or stain upon them.
• It is left with us to remedy the defects in our characters, to cleanse the soul temple of every defilement
• Everything depends on the right action of the will
• No man can cover his soul with the garments of Christ's righteousness while practicing known sins
• God gives the talents, the powers of the mind; we form the character. It is formed by hard stern battles with self.
• The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel sin
• Now while our great High Priest is making atonement for us, we should seek to become perfect in Christ
• Instead of coming to the earth at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844, Christ then entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary to perform the closing work of atonement preparatory to His coming
• The work of regeneration must go on in every soul until perfection of character is reached; for nothing short of this will meet the mind of God
• Those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator
• And you that have not sanctified your souls by obeying the truth, do you expect that Christ at His appearing will make you ready? There will then be no atoning blood to wash away the stains of sins
• Your only safety is in coming to Christ, and ceasing from sin this very moment.
• If we regard iniquity in our hearts, if we cling to any known sin, the Lord will not hear us.
• God requires of all His subjects obedience, entire obedience to all His commandments. He demands now as ever perfect righteousness as the only title to heaven.
• Christ is our hope and our refuge. His righteousness is imputed only to the obedient.
• God requires at this time just what He required of the holy pair in Eden—perfect obedience to His requirements.
• Redemption in Christ means to cease the transgression of the law of God and to be free from every sin
• When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own
• In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning
• To be redeemed means to cease from sin
• Every impurity of thought, every lustful passion, separates the soul from God, for Christ can never put His robe of righteousness upon a sinner to hide his deformity
• The Lord clearly defined obedience as the way to the City of God

BFA

 

[RND]

Do any of the following statements represent errors?

I dunno, do they?

The gospel that is to be preached to all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people presents the truth in clear lines, showing that obedience is the condition of gaining eternal life

Can one be "disobedient" and gain eternal life?

1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Disobedient: Lawless, ungodly, sinners.

 

[ricker]

Sure, but just like all humans I also believe she recognized whenever she made an error she found a way to correct it.

No, not really. But then again, I haven read everything she wrote either.

Not from what I've read so far. I think she had a great handle on what the Bible teaches.

I guess you believe she got all her "errors" corrected by the time she died.

Your attitude seems typical of most traditional Adventists I have met. They claim they don't really rely on her for doctrinal guidence, but never stray even a teeny bit from her interpretations of Scripture, and won't denounce any council she ever gave, no matter how silly. To me this is disingenous at best. You of course are entitled to your opinions and beliefs and I appreciate your sharing them with me.
God bless! Ricker

 

[RND]

I guess you believe she got all her "errors" corrected by the time she died.

Never suggested that. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't.

Your attitude seems typical of most traditional Adventists I have met. They claim they don't really rely on her for doctrinal guidence, but never stray even a teeny bit from her interpretations of Scripture, and won't denounce any council she ever gave, no matter how silly.

Why would I? Why would I denounce her? She's dead.

To me this is disingenous at best. You of course are entitled to your opinions and beliefs and I appreciate your sharing them with me.
God bless! Ricker

Likewise.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John 1:17

once it hits you between the eyes, you will find yourself no longer capitalizing "sabbath".

Wow, did not even notice it had done so till you pointed it out. LOL

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Your attitude seems typical of most traditional Adventists I have met. They claim they don't really rely on her for doctrinal guidence, but never stray even a teeny bit from her interpretations of Scripture, and won't denounce any council she ever gave, no matter how silly. To me this is disingenous at best. You of course are entitled to your opinions and beliefs and I appreciate your sharing them with me.

Wow. Lord, please teach Moriah to be gracious like that. It still bes too raw and vulnerable to the deceit of toxic soteriology, and feels too threatened by the dragon's breath coming too close, and too quickly reacts as a result.

 

[freeindeed2]

Where was the part where Gentiles were ever given the law Israel was given as a covenant at Sinai? I must have missed the part where Gentiles were placed under the old covenant disguised as the new covenant, as if they are one in the same.

In CHRIST alone...

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I Am looking for people to help hammer out a doctrinal platform for the Seventh-day Evanglical Adventist Chruch. any takers??? this a yes or no question. not a discussion question just yet. please keep it to yes or No.

The major doctrinal issues which united this group [Evangelical Adventism] were:
1) Righteousness by faith: This group accepted the Reformation understanding of righteousness by faith (according to which righteousness by faith included justification only, and is a judicial act of God whereby He declares sinners to be just on the basis of Christ’s own righteousness). Our standing before God rests in the imputed righteousness of Christ, which we receive through faith alone. Sanctification is the accompanying fruit and not the root of salvation.
2) The human nature of Christ: Jesus Christ possessed a sinless human nature with no inclination or propensities toward sin. In that sense, Christ’s human nature was like that of Adam’s before the Fall....
3) The events of 1844: Jesus Christ entered into the most holy place (heaven itself) at His ascension; the sanctuary doctrine and the investigative judgment (traditional literalism and perfectionism) have no basis in Scripture.
4) Assurance of salvation: Our standing and assurance before God rest solely in Christ’s imputed righteousness; sinless perfection is not possible this side of heaven...
5) Authority of Ellen G. White: Neither she nor her writings are infallible, and they should not be used as a source of doctrinal authority....


I am looking for more information like this.

Which creeds should be incorporate

the Apostles Creed?
the Nician Creed?
the Asburger Congession?
the Waldensen Creed?
the Reformed creed?
the Orthodox Creed.
how about a new Creed say "The Creation Creed"