Seven Thunders of Revelations

[walt2000]

So I am not going to continue until I get a positive response.It is spring outside and a beautiful sping day and I don't want to wast it ,if there is not anynobody that wants to hear, the word of God, that was made known to me.walt2000

 

[Chickapee]

You know Chickapee,
I would like to ask you a question.It bug gs me to no end.

This book of Revelations ,has been around a little less then 2000 years,and literaly thousands ,of ,no millions of Christian theologians, Have spent thousands of hours every day studying the word of the lord .
How in heaven, did they miss something as simple ,as the charts I Have posted on this sight? walt2000

Hi Walt , I believe Jesus Christ has to reveal HIS Spirit to us in His Word for we see anything [HIM], we first must Come to Him and be healed by Him and given the eyes [percieve] to see ears to Hear and heart to understand what the Spirit is saying to even get anything of the Lords Will
peace unto you and yours C

 

[BreadAlone]

I'm firmly convinced that Revelation is a prophetic vision recieved by the Apostle John while on the Isle Patmos. I'm also convinced it's filled with a LOT of figurative and picture language. It is meant to comfort Christians..giving them hope that no matter what this life dishes out..Christ will come again!

Just a comment on the small scroll, the sweet and sour one, in the OP. I was taught in my religion class that it represents the Word of God in two parts: Law and Gospel. The law when presented to the sinner, is SOUR..it hurts you and makes you repentant. The Gospel is SWEET in that it shows you your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Chickapee]

Hi Bread Alone , great thoughts !

Yes ,I also see revelations as very
symbolic [the sign ]
of the works and judging of God and His WILL
Luk 2:34And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this [child] is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
SEEING ALSO THE MAN CHILD IN REV 12

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

 

[Chickapee]

Jesus being THE FAITHFUL WITNESS

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


to me this is the Christ in you the hope of glory TO GOD THE FATHER ..

Rev 12:17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

BORN again of the incorruptible seed Christ Jesus

 

[walt2000]

Well there do's seem to be a great intrest in Revelations.But could I be so bold as to say that you all broke the only rule, Christ put at the end of Rev. Rev.22/18

 

[BreadAlone]

What did we add to the good book my friend?

 

[Chickapee]

Hi there ,
I wonder too BreadAlone ,hummm

or take away from Walt ?16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.


17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.

And let him that hear say, Come.

And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.



Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,

God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

hungering and thirsting after His righteousness to be filled , desiring to hear clearly what the Spirit and Bride are saying , COME join in this Union
and Do Gods Will through Jesus Christ ..
Peace c

 

[martymonster]

I'm sorry to break this to you Walt, but you're way off on this whole revelation thing.
Revelation is called revelation because it's the reveling of Christ in each one of us.

It's not an end time prophecy book like you're thinking it is, it's and end time prophecy book in the sence that We must and will be brought to the end of ourselves untill Christ is revealed in each of us.

 

[BreadAlone]

Well, it is an End Times book, in that it does refer to Judgement day. The thing is, it is not the LITERAL display of the End of Days. It's a broad overview of all NT history. And along with that, it is repetitive. It repeats the events that are to come. There won't be more than one Last Day, but it is repeated in Revelation for emphasis and to give us confidence.

 

[Jere209]

Hi Walt.
Thanks for the info. I'm reading it now. It will take me awhile as I like to break it apart and dig in.
Revelations used to scare me when I was a kid, but now I'm fascinated by it. The only thing that fascinates me more is the OT. I could stay there all day reading.
How do you think Daniel relates to book of Revelation?

 

[Jere209]

I'm sorry to break this to you Walt, but you're way off on this whole revelation thing.
Revelation is called revelation because it's the reveling of Christ in each one of us.

It's not an end time prophecy book like you're thinking it is, it's and end time prophecy book in the sence that We must and will be brought to the end of ourselves untill Christ is revealed in each of us.

Hi Marty ..
I would not say Walt is way off on this at all. We all interpret Scripture differently. He's found something and wants to share it. It's up to us whether we accept it or not. That's where the discernment of God comes in.

Revelations is an end time prophecy book to me. But that's because I believe in the Tribulation. I attend a Church of Christ college but do not subscribe to their beliefs as I am Pentecostal. I think the book of Revelation is a jewel in itself, and no one has yet touched the mysteries it contains. As all of the books in the Bible. Revelations is also very symbolic. A truly magnificent work by John. When I arrive in Heaven I am going to sit at John's feet and ask him how it felt to be shown all those marvelous things by the Lord. When reading, I walk with John and I, too, am caught up in what he sees. When reading the OT, I march with the Israelites, I watch Rahab drop the scarlet ribbon, I watch with curiosity as Isaiah lays on his side and then burns dung. I walk with Solomon in the vision God gave him and see all the animals. I have been to so many places in the Bible , and my favorite has to be Abraham. I love the OT....
So, to say Walt is way off in his interpretation would not be true. Because to him, he is not.
God bless

 

[walt2000]

How do you think Daniel relates to book of Revelation
a mirror.27072
walt2000

 

[Jere209]

I think that he ,as me ,would am fascinated by it.

Well, if you know the Bible you know that Daniel is really quite similiar to Revelation. Actually alot of Revelation is revealed in Daniel.
so I was wondering what your thoughts on that is?

 

[walt2000]

martymonster
I'm sorry to break this to you Walt, but you're way off on this whole revelation thing.
Revelation is called revelation because it's the reveling of Christ in each one of us.

It's not an end time prophecy book like you're thinking it is, it's and end time prophecy book in the sence that We must and will be brought to the end of ourselves untill Christ is revealed in each of us.

That is not my opinion ,Christ reveled the chart,It is in consecutive order ,and in order with out my intervention ,If you want my opinion, it lines up with.
Chickapee

And about it being a end time prophesy,I really do hope it's not.I enjoy life, and really would like it to remain, the way my life is.Thank you.

It is up to you to judge what it is ,I didn't arrange this .Maybe the church fathers copy ed this wrong. walt2000

 

[walt2000]

My part would be that goofy dream that I had.walt2000

 

[martymonster]

Hi Marty ..
I would not say Walt is way off on this at all. We all interpret Scripture differently. He's found something and wants to share it. It's up to us whether we accept it or not. That's where the discernment of God comes in.

Revelations is an end time prophecy book to me. But that's because I believe in the Tribulation. I attend a Church of Christ college but do not subscribe to their beliefs as I am Pentecostal. I think the book of Revelation is a jewel in itself, and no one has yet touched the mysteries it contains. As all of the books in the Bible. Revelations is also very symbolic. A truly magnificent work by John. When I arrive in Heaven I am going to sit at John's feet and ask him how it felt to be shown all those marvelous things by the Lord. When reading, I walk with John and I, too, am caught up in what he sees. When reading the OT, I march with the Israelites, I watch Rahab drop the scarlet ribbon, I watch with curiosity as Isaiah lays on his side and then burns dung. I walk with Solomon in the vision God gave him and see all the animals. I have been to so many places in the Bible , and my favorite has to be Abraham. I love the OT....
So, to say Walt is way off in his interpretation would not be true. Because to him, he is not.
God bless

The Tribulation is something we all must go through and has got nothing to do with some mythical end time event.

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

The book of Revelation can not be seperated from the rest of the Bible, it is one book.
Revelation is to be interpreted the same as any other book in the bible, with the rest of the bible!

2Pe 1:20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

2Co 13:1 Lo! This is the third time I am coming to you. At the mouth of two witnesses, and three, shall every declaration be made to stand. "

There are those who have touched on the mysteries of Revelation, but as long as people compare physical with physical, they will never understand what the things written in Revelation mean!

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Let Me give you and example of something from the book of Revelation that is known from understanding the other parts of the Bible.

Take the mark of the beast for example.
People have been trying to figure that one out for ages because they were looking outside of the bible for answers, but the mark of the beast is something that We are all born with.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has a mind calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is the number of mankind, and its number is six hundred sixty-six."

The number is 6 because Man was created on the same day that all beasts were created, and it is threee six's because there is 3 beasts which is the three stages of development of each of us because We are all beasts.

Ecc 3:18 I said in my heart:It is on account of the sons of humanity That the One, Elohim, seeks to manifest them And to show them that they themselves are beasts."


That is how the bible (the book of Revelation included) is interpreted.
If it was another way, most of Christendom would know it's meaning.

 

[walt2000]

Hi Walt.
Thanks for the info. I'm reading it now. It will take me awhile as I like to break it apart and dig in.
Revelations used to scare me when I was a kid, but now I'm fascinated by it. The only thing that fascinates me more is the OT. I could stay there all day reading.
How do you think Daniel relates to book of Revelation?

I have a lot to say about Dan.
But Rev. ,is just starting ,would you like to continue in Rev. first ,then go on to Dan.We just scratched the surface on Rev..It is a multi. dimension happening ,seven dimensions all happening at the same time.
We are use to only four dimensions ,Time ,length,width,and hight .Do you think you can handle Seven,at once?
It is The first one ,Time ,that splits into seven.
Think of it as a event , in nature, with seven different out comes ,all happening at the same time .walt2000

 

[Chickapee]

Take the mark of the beast for example.
People have been trying to figure that one out for ages because they were looking outside of the bible for answers, but the mark of the beast is something that We are all born with.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has a mind calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is the number of mankind, and its number is six hundred sixty-six."

The number is 6 because Man was created on the same day that all beasts were created, and it is threee six's because there is 3 beasts which is the three stages of development of each of us because We are all beasts.

Ecc 3:18 I said in my heart:It is on account of the sons of humanity That the One, Elohim, seeks to manifest them And to show them that they themselves are beasts."

HI MARTY ,
I agree the beast within , made in the sixth day along with man ,i have seen this before
two more witnesses here Psa 73:22 So foolish [was] I, and ignorant: I was [as] a beast before thee.

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
all flesh is as grass Behemoth: beasts..........

our nature is beastly towards God and man , till we are changed into spiritual beings by the Holy Spirit dwelling within us , teaching and correcting us and able to keep the commandments, Love God first and neighbour as yourself
and Love one another as I have loved you ....in the OT AND NT same command

we feed the beast [flesh]and it becomes , bigger and stronger than we are able to control allowing this beast a seat to rule our hearts
where Christ should be dwelling /sitting in authority
we are to eat His body and drink His blood being filled with the righteousness of God /feeding the inner man to become strong in the Lords will and Desire for all to be under His kingship /rule ....

KJV Pro 12:10 A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel.

YLT PROV12:10The righteous knoweth the life of his beast, And the mercies of the wicked [are] cruel.
this is somthing i have studied before and been very blessed to understand at last settled within my own heart as the Truth
God bless C
ps I still think the course of the sevens in Revelation ,are a
simultaneous existing, occurring, or operating at the same time; concurrent: moving of the TWO EDGED SWORD /WORD OF GOD
out of His Mouth going fourth JUDGING /SAVING , Kill /Make Alive
the inward man and slaying the beastly nature of all whom God will /call upon /move upon at the same time working the POWER OF GOD manifested/revealed and known in THE SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST dwelling within us

1Cr 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.


Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaks evil of [his] brother, and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law, and judges the law: but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Jam 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who are you that judges another?
making the Words of Jesus Christ true as you Judge so shall you be judged

In His peace C

 

[Chickapee]

what are the voices of the seven thunders of Revelation , forbidden to write it down ? the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD i have considered it ...........
Revelation 10

The Angel and the Little Book

1I saw another (A)strong angel (B)coming down out of heaven, clothed with a cloud; and the (C)rainbow was upon his head, and (D)his face was like the sun, and his (E)feet like pillars of fire;

2and he had in his hand a (F)little book which was open He placed (G)his right foot on the sea and his left on the land;
3and he cried out with a loud voice, (H)as when a lion roars; and when he had cried out, the (I)seven peals of thunder uttered their voices. 4When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, (J)I was about to write; and I (K)heard a voice from heaven saying, "(L)Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them."

Psalm 29:3-9





3The (A)voice of the LORD is upon the waters;
The God of glory (B)thunders,
The LORD is over (C)many waters.
4The voice of the LORD is (D)powerful,
The voice of the LORD is majestic.
5The voice of the LORD breaks the cedars;
Yes, the LORD breaks in pieces (E)the cedars of Lebanon. !!! BEHEMOTH = beast tail is like a cedar [men as trees walking ]
6He makes Lebanon (F)skip like a calf,
And (G)Sirion like a young wild ox.
7The voice of the LORD hews out flames of fire.
8The voice of the LORD shakes the wilderness;
The LORD shakes the wilderness of (H)Kadesh.
9The voice of the LORD makes (I)the deer to calve
And strips the forests bare;
And (J)in His temple everything says, "Glory!"

Revelation 4:5





The Throne and Worship of the Creator/seat of the beast is removed

5Out from the throne come (A)flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder And there were (B)seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are (C)the seven Spirits of God;


Isaiah 11

Righteous Reign of the Branch

1Then a (A)shoot will spring from the (B)stem of Jesse,
And a (C)branch from (D)his roots will bear fruit.
2The (E)Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him,1
The spirit of (F)wisdom 2and understanding,3
The spirit of counsel 4and (G)strength,5
The spirit of knowledge6 and the fear of the LORD.7
3And He will delight in the fear of the LORD,
And He will not judge by what His eyes (H)see,
Nor make a decision by what His ears hear;
4But with (I)righteousness He will judge the (J)poor,
And decide with fairness for the (K)afflicted of the earth;
And He will strike the earth with the (L)rod of His mouth,
And with the (M)breath of His lips He will slay the wicked.
5Also (N)righteousness will be the belt about His loins,
And (O)faithfulness the belt about His waist.
6And the (P)wolf will dwell with the lamb,
And the leopard will lie down with the young goat,
And the calf and the young lion [a]and the fatling together;
And a little boy will lead them.
7Also the cow and the bear will graze,
Their young will lie down together,
And the (Q)lion will eat straw like the ox.
8The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra,
And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper's den.
9They will (R)not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the (S)earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD
As the waters cover the sea.
10Then in that day
The (T)nations will resort to the (U)root of Jesse,
Who will stand as a (V)signal for the peoples;
And His (W)resting place will be glorious.

SEVEN EYES ON ONE stone [Jesus Christ] the stone of stumbling and rock of offense to the seat of the beast/man