Seven Mountains/Kings

[Shocker]

Do not refer to specific religious leaders (alive or deceased) as the antichrist, the beast, or the false prophet.

Doesn't say anything in the Rules about the Popes being the 7 kings on the 7 mountains!!


Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Seven Hills/Seven hills of Rome.

Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Caelius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolium, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)

Vatican city commissioned as a its own sovereign city state in 1929 That makes every Pope from that point on a ruler over the Vatican as a sovereign nation and as a Ruler, we know the title is kin to "King"
Before this, the Papacy had no official "city", save for Rome.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Five are fallen (dead)
Pius XI (1922-39)
Pius XII (1939-58)
Blessed John XXIII (1958-63)
Paul VI (1963-78)
Blessed John Paul II (1978-2005)

One is (still alive)
Benedict XVI (2005-2013)

The other is yet to come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Francis (2013—)

(I suspect we will see Benedict as Pope one more time)

 

[Shocker]

Many wonder why I didn't include John Paul I.

You see, this wonderful man of God, whom I truly adore, did not want to be a pope.

John Paul I (1978) Died 33 days into office.

Before the papal conclave that elected him, he expressed his desire not to be elected, telling those close to him that he would decline the papacy, but upon the cardinals electing him, he felt an obligation to say "yes".[1] He was the first pontiff to have a double name, choosing "John Paul" in honour of his two immediate predecessors Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI. He explained that he was indebted to John XXIII for naming him a bishop and to Paul VI for creating him a cardinal. His sudden death caused suspicion among people that has led to a number of conspiracy theories concerning his death. His two immediate successors, Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, later recalled the warm qualities of the late pontiff in several addresses.


This man CLEARLY didn't want the pontification. He rejected it in his heart, and instead gave in to what other people wanted.

I do not believe this man to be like any other Pope in history and he should be remembered for his brave stance against the office of pope.

I believe this blessed man is in Heaven right now with Christ.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...g/265px-Pope_John_Paul_I_(Albino_Luciani).jpg


For the record, one does not simply reject an election of pontification, and I cant imagine anyone living for very long if they did..

 

[Shocker]

Pope Pius' letter, states:

"...God has given to His Church a living Teaching Authority to elucidate and explain what is contained in the deposit of faith only obscurely and implicitly.

What??


This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation NOT TO EACH OF THE FAITHFUL, NOT EVEN TO THEOLOGIANS, BUT ONLY TO THE TEACHING AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH"

What???

"The Scripture indeed is a divine book but it is a dead letter, which has to be explained, and cannot exercise the action which the preacher can obtain"

What????

 

[tranquil]

I thought this post was interesting.

Orthodox agree to eighth ecumenical council: If Orthodox prophecy is correct on it, this council marks a major step towards the end!

 

[Shocker]

I thought this post was interesting.

Orthodox agree to eighth ecumenical council: If Orthodox prophecy is correct on it, this council marks a major step towards the end!

Lets see how that works out, lol

 

[John S]

Do not refer to specific religious leaders (alive or deceased) as the antichrist, the beast, or the false prophet.

Doesn't say anything in the Rules about the Popes being the 7 kings on the 7 mountains!!


Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Seven Hills/Seven hills of Rome.

Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Caelius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolium, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)

Vatican city commissioned as a its own sovereign city state in 1929 That makes every Pope from that point on a ruler over the Vatican as a sovereign nation and as a Ruler, we know the title is kin to "King"
Before this, the Papacy had no official "city", save for Rome.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Five are fallen (dead)
Pius XI (1922-39)
Pius XII (1939-58)
Blessed John XXIII (1958-63)
Paul VI (1963-78)
Blessed John Paul II (1978-2005)

One is (still alive)
Benedict XVI (2005-2013)

The other is yet to come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Francis (2013—)

(I suspect we will see Benedict as Pope one more time)

I'm Sorry - but this is utter nonsense.

 

[Shocker]

I'm Sorry - but this is utter nonsense.

You forgot to include why.


If Im wrong, show me why.

Its that simple.


For example, if you said Jesus and satan are brothers, I would show you that Jesus Christ is God, and satan was in fact created, by God.


If you can refute my supposition, pray tell, do it.

Otherwise, your statement is subjective, but God is objective.

Let God be true, and every man a liar, as it is written.

 

[John S]

1. I NEVER said, nor would I EVER say, that God and Satan were brothers.
2. The seven hills refers to Rome, Italy, in particular and the Roman Empire in general. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with individual people.
The 7th Kingdom is the Roman Empire - and the 8th - which is of the 7th - which hasn't arrived yet - will ALSO be Rome. In other words, the antichrist will come from Italy (the Tribe of Dan) and possibly from the city of Rome itself. The false prophet will probably come from Rome. He could POSSIBLY be a Pope.

That Scripture has NOTHNG to do with past Popes. That's just anti-Catholic nonsense - and I'm NOT defending Catholicism.

 

[Shocker]

1. I NEVER said, nor would I EVER say, that God and Satan were brothers.

I never said you did. Did you red what I wrote?

2. The seven hills refers to Rome, Italy, in particular and the Roman Empire in general. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with individual people.
The 7th Kingdom is the Roman Empire - and the 8th - which is of the 7th - which hasn't arrived yet - will ALSO be Rome. In other words, the antichrist will come from Italy (the Tribe of Dan) and possibly from the city of Rome itself. The false prophet will probably come from Rome. He could POSSIBLY be a Pope.

That Scripture has NOTHNG to do with past Popes. That's just anti-Catholic nonsense - and I'm NOT defending Catholicism.

Where is Vatican city located? Rome, the city of seven hills.

Before the Vatican received is sovereignty, where was the papal headquarters?

Rome.

Rome is the 6th empire or "kingdom" as you say. Where do you get 7th from?

1. Egyptian
2. Assyrian
3. Babylonian
4. Medo-persian
5. Grecian
6. Roman

 

[John S]

The Kingdom "that is", the 7th, when Revelations was written, was Rome.

As I stated, the verse refers to the city of Rome - NOT to individual Popes.

 

[Shocker]

The Kingdom "that is", the 7th, when Revelations was written, was Rome.

As I stated, the verse refers to the city of Rome - NOT to individual Popes.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

1-5
Five are fallen

6th
One is

7th
Other is not yet come, and when comes he must continue a short space.

8th
Beast, of the 7



Ive objectively refuted your argument.

How do you answer?

 

[Douggg]

Do not refer to specific religious leaders (alive or deceased) as the antichrist, the beast, or the false prophet.

Doesn't say anything in the Rules about the Popes being the 7 kings on the 7 mountains!!


Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Seven Hills/Seven hills of Rome.

Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Caelius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolium, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)

Vatican city commissioned as a its own sovereign city state in 1929 That makes every Pope from that point on a ruler over the Vatican as a sovereign nation and as a Ruler, we know the title is kin to "King"
Before this, the Papacy had no official "city", save for Rome.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Five are fallen (dead)
Pius XI (1922-39)
Pius XII (1939-58)
Blessed John XXIII (1958-63)
Paul VI (1963-78)
Blessed John Paul II (1978-2005)

One is (still alive)
Benedict XVI (2005-2013)

The other is yet to come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Francis (2013&#8212

(I suspect we will see Benedict as Pope one more time)

The ten kings that align with the beast are from the fourth empire, Daniel 7:23-24.

Which the little horn arises among those.

Who is the little horn - Antichrist or Pope?

I don't see how you are tying the Pope, Little Horn, Prince who shall come, the Man of Sin, 1st beast of Revelation, Antichrist, the ten kings, seven kings, all together?

 

[Shocker]

The ten kings that align with the beast are from the fourth empire, Daniel 7:23-24.

Which the little horn arises among those.

Who is the little horn - Antichrist or Pope?

I don't see how you are tying the Pope, Little Horn, Prince who shall come, the Man of Sin, 1st beast of Revelation, Antichrist, the ten kings, seven kings, all together?

Are you talking about the two horns in Daniel???

Dan_8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.


Or the the beast in Revelation?

Rev_13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I don't know who this is yet..






2 Esd 13:25 This is the meaning of the vision: Whereas thou sawest a man coming up from the midst of the sea:

2 Esd 13:26 The same is he whom God the Highest hath kept a great season, which by his own self shall deliver his creature: and he shall order them that are left behind.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Rev_13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[Douggg]

Are you talking about the two horns in Daniel???

Dan_8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.


Or the the beast in Revelation?

Rev_13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I don't know who this is yet..






2 Esd 13:25 This is the meaning of the vision: Whereas thou sawest a man coming up from the midst of the sea:

2 Esd 13:26 The same is he whom God the Highest hath kept a great season, which by his own self shall deliver his creature: and he shall order them that are left behind.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Rev_13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The first thing that came to my mine was why you were thinking the popes in your original popes as starting with 1922 and Vatican city. And then counting 7. As those being the 7 kings of Revelation 17. And the beast which is the eighth, and your comment about seeing Pope Benedict again - as insinuating that he is the beast.

Which in Revelation 13, the world worships the beast, the eighth king, for 42 months. Which that beast, the ten kings which have their crowns in Revelation 13, pledging their kingdom to him Revelation 17, because they go along with his being worshipped.

That's why I questioned about the little horn in Daniel 7. Who those are the ten kings and their kingdom, the fourth empire end times. And the little horn comes up amongst them. Which conflicts with your idea of the 7 kings being 7 popes, the eighth king being Benedict back in power.

Which I don't see how you are fitting the Pope into a scenario tying the Pope, Little Horn in Daniel 7 and 8, Prince who shall come, the Man of Sin, 1st beast of Revelation, Antichrist, the ten kings, seven kings, all together?

I don't think the Pope has anything to do with the 7 kings. When a person builds and end times scenario it is during the process of fitting everything together that some ideas are eliminated. Which I think you will conclude yourself that the 7 kings are not 7 popes - as you work on putting all of the prophecies together that end with Jesus's return. Which maybe you have, I don't know, which is why I am asking how everything fits together, using the pope being the 7 kings.

Which all of these prophecies, each in their own bible chapters, end with Jesus's return - the Little Horn in Daniel 7 and 8, Prince who shall come, the Man of Sin, 1st beast of Revelation, Antichrist, the ten kings, seven kings.

 

[10s3r]

In response to the OP.

Rome IS NOT a city of seven 'mountains.'

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

The word for mountains in the text is the word 'oros' and its meaning is better translated 'mountain.' Rome does not sit on seven mountains! There are seven hills on the East side of the Tiber River. 'Vatican Hill' sits on the west side of the Tiber. THAT MAKES 8 HILLS TOTAL! AND! The word 'hills' is an incorrect translation. The 7 hills on the east side of the Tiber, and Vatican hill on the west side of the Tiber are too small to be designated as 'mountains'. The Hebrew word 'hill' is gib'ah which Strong's specifically states that a hill is lower than a mountain.

 

[Shocker]

In response to the OP.

Rome IS NOT a city of seven 'mountains.'

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

The word for mountains in the text is the word 'oros' and its meaning is better translated 'mountain.' Rome does not sit on seven mountains! There are seven hills on the East side of the Tiber River. 'Vatican Hill' sits on the west side of the Tiber. THAT MAKES 8 HILLS TOTAL! AND! The word 'hills' is an incorrect translation. The 7 hills on the east side of the Tiber, and Vatican hill on the west side of the Tiber are too small to be designated as 'mountains'. The Hebrew word 'hill' is gib'ah which Strong's specifically states that a hill is lower than a mountain.

That's incorrect.

Words of Christ in Red.

Mat_5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

ορος
oros
or'-os
Probably a from an obsolete word ορω orō (to rise or “rear”; perhaps akin to G142; compare G3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): - hill, mount (-ain).

Rev_17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

ορος
oros
or'-os
Probably a from an obsolete word ορω orō (to rise or “rear”; a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): - hill, mount (-ain).


The correct understanding is not a mountain as in a literal mountain.

The understanding is that this is an elevated place.

Rome is the city of 7 hills.

Vatican city has only existed for 85 years.

The papacy has been headquartered in Rome since 1929.

Rome sits on 7 hills.

In 1929, the vatican was given sovereignty, officiating the pope as ruler over vatican city.


Where is Vatican city? Rome, the city of 7 hills.

 

[Douggg]

In response to the OP.

Rome IS NOT a city of seven 'mountains.'

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

The word for mountains in the text is the word 'oros' and its meaning is better translated 'mountain.' Rome does not sit on seven mountains! There are seven hills on the East side of the Tiber River. 'Vatican Hill' sits on the west side of the Tiber. THAT MAKES 8 HILLS TOTAL! AND! The word 'hills' is an incorrect translation. The 7 hills on the east side of the Tiber, and Vatican hill on the west side of the Tiber are too small to be designated as 'mountains'. The Hebrew word 'hill' is gib'ah which Strong's specifically states that a hill is lower than a mountain.

Hi 10s3r, is that you in the avatar picture. If so, I think you could be biased .

Seven hills of Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rome, the city of the 7 hills, is what Rome is known as worldwide. The woman in Revelation 17, I am pretty sure is Semiramis (tied to mystery Babylon the great), because in her was found all the deaths of the prophets and them slain upon the earth - which would have to go back to the days of the tower of Babel - which I think the beast currently in the bottomless pit is the disembodied person Nimrod.

Which all of the false religions began at the tower of babel and spread, as Semiramis and Tammuz in various forms - which it appears as though the RCC adopted from the pagans occupying Rome through a long drawn out process. Which Semiramis, herself is of course not around. But that which in large part that fits the continuation of Semiramis, on a large scale, is the RCC, headquartered by the Vatican. And which in the Vatican are the colors of purple and scarlet, the bishops and cardinals.

And that the Vatican has had metaphorically speaking in bed with the kings of the earth, for mutual benefit, has asserted herself - into political power. Which of over the course of centuries, the European rulers have had to cater to the Vatican because of the influence that the Vatican has with its
millions of the RCC throughout the entire earth.

Which those ten kings of Europe, when it finally gets to that last 42 months before Jesus returns, and have aligned with the beast as him being God, and against Jesus, and Him being God; which the RCC and Vatican believes in God and Jesus as God, right? - will take out a deep running resentment at having to had to cater to the Vatican - and burn it to the ground, and Rome itself going up in the flames.

I think that the Vatican and RCC has significant doctrinal issues, and has a well documented history of mass murder and persecution.... but when the Antichrist-beast is thought by the world to be God in the flesh, and those ten European kings jump on board - the Vatican, which says Jesus is God, is going to be seen by them as a major obstacle to the Antichrist-beast's agenda and the ten kings are going to burn the Vatican to to the ground,

 

[10s3r]

That's incorrect.

Words of Christ in Red.

Mat_5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

ορος
oros
or'-os
Probably a from an obsolete word ὄρω orō (to rise or “rear”; perhaps akin to G142; compare G3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): - hill, mount (-ain).

Rev_17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

ορος
oros
or'-os
Probably a from an obsolete word ὄρω orō (to rise or “rear”; a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): - hill, mount (-ain).


The correct understanding is not a mountain as in a literal mountain.

The understanding is that this is an elevated place.

Rome is the city of 7 hills.

Vatican city has only existed for 85 years.

The papacy has been headquartered in Rome since 1929.

Rome sits on 7 hills.

In 1929, the vatican was given sovereignty, officiating the pope as ruler over vatican city.


Where is Vatican city? Rome, the city of 7 hills.

You quoted these 'hills.'

Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Caelius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolium, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)

Problem is these hills are on the East side of the Tiber.
Vatican hill is on the west side of the Tiber and that makes 8!

Also the word in the text is the word 'oros' and the KJV does use the word 'mountain.'

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

I can't post links yet. This is what Strong's and Thayer's says about the word 'oros' which is used in the text. It says...
MOUNTAIN!

The word 'oros' is translated 'hill' in the KJV in 5 verses. But Revelation 17:9 is not one of them.

Now look at the word 'hill' in Hebrew. (Strongs #1389) Notice that a 'hill' is not large enough to be considered a 'mountain!'

hill-gib'ah....

hill (lower than a mountain)

WiKi says...

Vatican Hill (Latin, Mons Vaticanus) is a hill located across the Tiber river from the traditional seven hills of Rome. It is the location of St. Peter's Basilica.

Mecca is also a city of 'seven hills.' Walid shoebat has a good article on that.

If John wanted to indicate HILLS he probably would have used this word...

G1015 which does mean....'hill.' bounos boo-nos' probably of foreign origin; a hillock:--hill, eminence, mound.

"Babylon must “sit on” or occupy seven mountains, and I believe those mountains are the seven mountains that surround Jerusalem."

“As the mountains surround Jerusalem, so the Lord surrounds his people both now and forevermore,” the psalmist writes. (Psalm 125:2)

These mountains are Mount Zion (southwest, 2558 ft.), Mount Gareb (west, 2518 ft.), Mount Scopus (north, 2724 ft.) Mount of Olives (east, 2641 ft.) Mount of Offense (southeast, 2411 ft.) Mount of Evil Counsel (south, 2548 ft.) and at the center, Mount Moriah (the temple mount, 2556 ft.)

The only city capable of fulfilling this prophecy is Jerusalem.

 

[Shocker]

The NIV has the correct translation.

Rev 17:9 “This calls for a mind with understanding: The seven heads of the beast represent the seven hills where the woman rules. They also represent seven kings.

 

[Shocker]

You quoted these 'hills.'

Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Caelius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolium, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)

Problem is these hills are on the East side of the Tiber.
Vatican hill is on the west side of the Tiber and that makes 8!

Also the word in the text is the word 'oros.'
The KJV does use the word 'mountain.'

I can't post links yet. This is what Strong's and Thayer's says about the word 'oros' which is used in the text. It says...
MOUNTAIN!

The word 'oros' is translated 'hill' in the KJV in 5 verses. But revelation 17:9 is not one of them.

Now look at the word 'hill' in Hebrew. (Strongs #1389) Notice that a 'hill' is not large enough to be considered a 'mountain!'

hill-gib'ah....

hill (lower than a mountain)

WiKi says...

Vatican Hill (Latin, Mons Vaticanus) is a hill located across the Tiber river from the traditional seven hills of Rome. It is the location of St. Peter's Basilica.

Mecca is also a city of 'seven hills.' Walid shoebat has a good article on that.

If John wanted to indicate HILLS he probably would have used this word...

G1015 which does mean....'hill.' bounos boo-nos' probably of foreign origin; a hillock:--hill, eminence, mound.

"Babylon must “sit on” or occupy seven mountains, and I believe those mountains are the seven mountains that surround Jerusalem."

“As the mountains surround Jerusalem, so the Lord surrounds his people both now and forevermore,” the psalmist writes. (Psalm 125:2)

These mountains are Mount Zion (southwest, 2558 ft.), Mount Gareb (west, 2518 ft.), Mount Scopus (north, 2724 ft.) Mount of Olives (east, 2641 ft.) Mount of Offense (southeast, 2411 ft.) Mount of Evil Counsel (south, 2548 ft.) and at the center, Mount Moriah (the temple mount, 2556 ft.)

The only city capable of fulfilling this prophecy is Jerusalem.

The Vatican sits in Rome. If the Vatican was the "harlot", then the harlot sits where? In Rome, the city of seven hills.

Its that simple..

Ive been to the Vatican, its in Rome, I promise.

The NIV has the correct translation.

Rev 17:9 “This calls for a mind with understanding: The seven heads of the beast represent the seven hills where the woman rules. They also represent seven kings.