Settings of the Divine Service

[LutheranHawkeye]

There are 5 settings of the Divine Service in the Lutheran Service Book. I looked on Wikipedia and it says where each setting comes from, and about the only one I can say I honestly know where it comes from is the 5th, or Luther's Mass. Why isn't Luther's mass used most for the Divine Service? Also where do the other 4 originate, and where does the common service come from?

 

[DaRev]

I would say that the reason setting 5 isn't used often is because the hymns that replace the canticle parts of the liturgy are not commonly known by many parishioners.

Setting 1 is based on the ancient liturgy of the Church. It's very similar to the RC Mass I remember as a child. The tones for much of the service are, I believe, from Gregorian chant. It was included in Lutheran Worship as "Divine Service II First setting".

Setting 2 is the same liturgy but with a different musical setting. I'm not sure of of the origin of the setting, but it could have been developed for the Lutheran Book of Worship (LBW). It was also included in Lutheran Worship (LW) as "Divine Service II second setting".

Setting 3 is also known as "Page 15" from The Lutheran Hymnal (TLH). It was also the communion service in the old Evangelical Lutheran Hymn Book from the early part of the 20th century (the year 1912 sticks in my head). It has its roots in Anglican worship and may have been adapted for Lutheran use when the change to English language worship was made.

Setting 4 was developed for the Hymnal Supplement '98. The LSB version is slightly different in a couple places due to copyright issues with the Lutheran Service Builder (electronic edition of LSB).

Does that answer your questions?

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I would say that the reason setting 5 isn't used often is because the hymns that replace the canticle parts of the liturgy are not commonly known by many parishioners.

Setting 1 is based on the ancient liturgy of the Church. It's very similar to the RC Mass I remember as a child. The tones for much of the service are, I believe, from Gregorian chant. It was included in Lutheran Worship as "Divine Service II First setting".

Setting 2 is the same liturgy but with a different musical setting. I'm not sure of of the origin of the setting, but it could have been developed for the Lutheran Book of Worship (LBW). It was also included in Lutheran Worship (LW) as "Divine Service II second setting".

Setting 3 is also known as "Page 15" from The Lutheran Hymnal (TLH). It was also the communion service in the old Evangelical Lutheran Hymn Book from the early part of the 20th century (the year 1912 sticks in my head). It has its roots in Anglican worship and may have been adapted for Lutheran use when the change to English language worship was made.

Setting 4 was developed for the Hymnal Supplement '98. The LSB version is slightly different in a couple places due to copyright issues with the Lutheran Service Builder (electronic edition of LSB).

Does that answer your questions?

From the "Introduction To LSB" I attended, I recall that Divine Service 3 does borrow the KJV language from the Anglican Tradition. The form It's self is based on Luther's "Order of Mass and Communion for the Church at Wittenberg (1523). Luther's order was in Latin. The Gloria and the responses are plain-song pre-dating the reformation.

Divine Service 4 is based on the Lutheran Mass adopted or compiled by the first Lutheran Bishop of Sweden, but the music is not.

One and Two are indeed basically the same and are adapted from the Roman Mass but I believe that the Kyrie form comes from a little farther east, as may "This is the Feast" from Revelation. These two orders also have provision for more Eucharistic praying, something that can be a little strange for those Lutherans influenced by the Pietists (most North-Americans).

5 we have done a few times, but the complaints are not so much that the hymns are un-familiar, but there is "too much singing". Those who complain though would generally sing those hollow reformed Gospel hymns all day long.

Me, I prefer, in this order, 3 (I grew up with page 15) 4; its nice to sing, and I love the prayers, 1&2, but with the Gloria, not This is the Feast, and 5 last because everyone whines to us elders.

Based on my own experience, and this is my opinion only; I do however find any one of the 5 far more elegant that anything I have heard recently in the Roman Church, including the Mass I listened to Maundy Thursday from Rome. Anglicans do a better job than Rome, but they seem to me to be all "Potatoes, and no Meat doctrinally". Having worked as a Funeral Director for many years I have had the opportunity to experience the practices of most of the major Christian Denominations and Sects. No offense intended, again this is my personal opinion.

Mark

 

[LutheranHawkeye]

It seems that we should use the 1st setting more often then, because it is based off of the ancient liturgy?

 

[DaRev]

It seems that we should use the 1st setting more often then, because it is based off of the ancient liturgy?

It is the more commonly used form.

 

[Lupinus]

Setting one is my favorite.

After the switch over we did a phase where we did one setting for a month to see how well each one was received by the congregation and go from there as far as which one generally got used. I don't recall much of the fourth let alone the fifth I think after a few months the idea sort of trailed off since most everyone likes setting one and it's the one we commonly use.

Of the ones we have done I like setting one the most. Though from the sound of five I'd love to give it a try.

 

[Lupinus]

Setting one is my favorite.

After the switch over we did a phase where we did one setting for a month to see how well each one was received by the congregation and go from there as far as which one generally got used. I don't recall much of the fourth let alone the fifth I think after a few months the idea sort of trailed off since most everyone likes setting one and it's the one we commonly use.

Of the ones we have done I like setting one the most. Though from the sound of five I'd love to give it a try.

 

[Edial]

... also known as "Page 15" from The Lutheran Hymnal (TLH)...

"Page 15" I understand. ...

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Setting one is my favorite.

After the switch over we did a phase where we did one setting for a month to see how well each one was received by the congregation and go from there as far as which one generally got used. I don't recall much of the fourth let alone the fifth I think after a few months the idea sort of trailed off since most everyone likes setting one and it's the one we commonly use.

Of the ones we have done I like setting one the most. Though from the sound of five I'd love to give it a try.

If your Congregation loves singing 5 is great. Using the Hymns in place of the Canticles does make the service a little longer time wise [as compared to 3 (page 15)] .

Mark

 

[Bartolomeo]

Music for setting two from the LBW, which is the same as setting two in LW and in LSB, was written by Ron Nelson in the 1970s. Among Lutherans in the United States, this has been the most widely used setting since the 1980s and remains so today. The LBW version of the setting contains alternative texts for several portions of the service reflecting the original goal of the LBW as a common worship resource for LCMS churches as well as the ALC/LCA churches that later merged to form the ELCA. Other hymnals specific to these denominations within Lutheranism include only the applicable set of texts.

 

[BabyLutheran]

I like to think it keeps us on our toes. Just when I think I know the Lamb of God, You take away the sins of the world by heart, the tone changes!

 

[DaRev]

Music for setting two from the LBW, which is the same as setting two in LW and in LSB, was written by Ron Nelson in the 1970s. Among Lutherans in the United States, this has been the most widely used setting since the 1980s and remains so today.

I'm not sure I agree with that statement, at least among the LCMS. By far the most widely used setting is the first one. In my years at the seminary when we used the LW for communion service, we never used the second setting. There was also a question whether or not it would even be included in the LSB. But there were a number of congregations that used it and asked that it be included. Only once have I ever been in a Lutheran service where setting 2 was used. I do have to admit, though, that I like the setting 2 version of "This is the Feast" better than setting 1.

 

[Tetzel]

I'm not a fan of setting four. We should have seen if we could sneak LBW's setting 3 into it's place. LBW 3 is a nice one especially when you sing the our father. And why'd they have to get rid of "Let the vineyards be fruitful Lord"? That was good stuff.

 

[DaRev]

And why'd they have to get rid of "Let the vineyards be fruitful Lord"? That was good stuff.

We don't need to be singing about "hopes and dreams".

 

[Bartolomeo]

I'm not sure I agree with that statement, at least among the LCMS. By far the most widely used setting is the first one. In my years at the seminary when we used the LW for communion service, we never used the second setting. There was also a question whether or not it would even be included in the LSB. But there were a number of congregations that used it and asked that it be included. Only once have I ever been in a Lutheran service where setting 2 was used. I do have to admit, though, that I like the setting 2 version of "This is the Feast" better than setting 1.

It is true that the Nelson setting is not as popular in LCMS/WELS churches as it is in ELCA churches. Some do use it, however, and I do believe that overall it yet remains the most popular of the settings. Not really either here or there, I suppose; there are other good settings as well.

 

[Tetzel]

We don't need to be singing about "hopes and dreams".

Are you being serious?

 

[Tetzel]

We don't need to be singing about "hopes and dreams".

Are you being serious?

 

[BabyLutheran]

Are you being serious?

It's gloom and doom around here! lol

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Are you being serious?

I'm sure he is, it's all about God's promises and Faith. Hopes and dreams are thin and empty!

Mark

 

[DaRev]

I'm sure he is, it's all about God's promises and Faith. Hopes and dreams are thin and empty!

What he said.